In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Purrington played under Adkins, albeit just the two full games against Gillingham and Bolton.
So less games than Stockley/Washington played under Jackson. But that's allowed to be an excuse.
Haha - Shut up
You said that Adkins didnt play Purrington - I corrected you, dont then suddenly change your line of the argument
People on here after Mania's stats immediately jumped to Jackson's defense that he didn't have a few players for a couple of games.
I came and said Adkins also had to deal with injuries and literally every manager has to deal with them.
Excuses for one is allowed but not the other I suppose.
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Purrington played under Adkins, albeit just the two full games against Gillingham and Bolton.
So less games than Stockley/Washington played under Jackson. But that's allowed to be an excuse.
Haha - Shut up
You said that Adkins didnt play Purrington - I corrected you, dont then suddenly change your line of the argument
People on here after Mania's stats immediately jumped to Jackson's defense that he didn't have a few players for a couple of games.
I came and said Adkins also had to deal with injuries and literally every manager has to deal with them.
Excuses for one is allowed but not the other I suppose.
You said Adkins didnt have Purrington... I gave you an example when he did
Thats it... end of story... end of discussion
I dont care about excuses as to who had someone available or whatever - I'm simply calling you out where you're once again coming out with something that is wrong.
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Oh, come on ...... Jacko hasn't seen much of Aneke, Fraser or JFC either. Purrington was injured pre-season but was fit again after a month and played under Adkins.
Maybe we might have seen JFC play a couple more games recently - but I don't know and you don't know, whether it's a meds team instruction to keep him on the bench? Anyway JFC wants to play Dobson'e role. Should Jacko have dropped Dobson?
Jackson played Aneke for 90 minutes two games in a row and ran him into the ground.
Purrington played two full games because of how unfit he was, that's all.
Fraser has been available for at least two months under Jackson.
I'm just saying that people love to line-up and excuse Jackson's poor form because of injuries. But will discount the handicap that Adkins was given to work with.
I'll agree with you that Adkins started the season with a mighty handicap, he didn't have a full squad let alone a match-fit side. Whatever the issues surrounding Adkins culminating in his sacking, that's not even a level playing field - and IMO directly contributed to our shockingly poor start.
Don't forget Jacko inherited what Adkins couldn't cope with, the team in 22nd place, in the relegation positions.
Gawd knows, at the time we even had a long thread on here chewing the fat on whether we would be relegated; the Doomsters and Gloomsters were in their element.
I don't know what you expected from a rookie manager learning his trade, and of course his inexperience will lead to mistakes and misjudgements .... but are we in 22nd place now? If we were, we'd already be relegated.
Many people seem to have underestimated what Jacko has achieved. Sure, he didn't get us into the playoffs from 22nd place, but truthfully, what were you expecting? Last October, you'd have grabbed us finishing the season around 12th place when many at that time were convinced we'd be dumped into the Fourth Division for the first time in our history.
Jacko isn't the Messiah, well not yet, anyway ha ha ....... but seriously, let's see how the team rebuilding goes and the first dozen games of next season, eh? By then you might have changed your mind about Jacko. Or calamity, I might even have to change mine!
We also had a play-off thread because jackson won a couple of games.
So saying it was all doom and gloom wasnt true. People on here genuinely believed we had a squad capable of the playoffs in the first month of Jackson taking over.
It was most definitely true at the time. Why not resurrect the old thread and remind yourself, if you now can't remember?
You say: "People on here genuinely believed we had a squad capable of the playoffs in the first month of Jackson taking over." They might have done, but their opinions were made at that time, 6 months ago. They were just people's own personal opinions, just like yours.
I'm not here to change your mind ...... but I will reiterate, when Adkins was sacked after yet another abysmal home defeat and mired deep in the relegation positions in 22nd place, Jacko took the reins returning home with well deserved victory at then 2nd in the League Sunderland. My God, I thought that was a breath of fresh air, didn't you?
Yeah, we had a good turn round in form which lifted the club. We held our own against the promotion chasing clubs and struggled against the minnows, but then we're Charlton ....I've witnessed more than half a century of that. Sure, some of us were doing the maths and having a little premature ejaculation .... but I'll repeat, did you really expect us to go from 22nd place to the playoffs?
Anyway, thank your lucky stars that the threat of relegation is a distant memory and instead, we're finishing the season around 12th.
Oh, and don't forget to thank Jacko on the way out!
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Oh, come on ...... Jacko hasn't seen much of Aneke, Fraser or JFC either. Purrington was injured pre-season but was fit again after a month and played under Adkins.
Maybe we might have seen JFC play a couple more games recently - but I don't know and you don't know, whether it's a meds team instruction to keep him on the bench? Anyway JFC wants to play Dobson'e role. Should Jacko have dropped Dobson?
Does it really matter what JFC wants? Surely a guy with his ability could play a more attacking role? Remember the hattrick he scored at the Valley three or four years ago. Don’t think he was playing defensive role that day at least.
Not Morgan’s biggest fan, but he’s been decent over the last couple of games. Has he done enough though?
I don't know any more than you do, Jimmy - or anybody else for that matter.
We don't know how fit JFC is, whether he's being restricted by the Medical team or even where he fits in with others in the gameplan. We also don't know what's going on behind the scenes, with his contract running down.
Morgan, well he has the ability with the ball, for sure. But it's what he does without the ball that seems to be his weakness.
2 assists for Morgan makes 7 for the season, the most out of any Charlton player this season incidentally
I'd be interested in the stats for the type of goal we score, as I suspect the percentage of goals we score from set pieces or headers is quite high, especially with Stockley and Chuks in the air.
We are second in the league for most headed goals with 18.
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Purrington played under Adkins, albeit just the two full games against Gillingham and Bolton.
So less games than Stockley/Washington played under Jackson. But that's allowed to be an excuse.
Adkins was playing with Kirk who has turned out to be an effective player in the Championship for Blackpool.
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
That is quite interesting yes. Would love to compare the injury lists between the two. I am almost positive Jackson would’ve got a few more points with all of his players available.
Not to excuse the poor losses against the likes of Lincoln and Morecambe more recently. Unfortunate this team still has a nasty loss in them on any given matchday and that is what will stop this group from challenging top six, no matter who is in charge.
Am I missing something here? How does Claire have an XG of 0.5 when all I can remember is him having a shot for 35 yards, and Washington misses two 1 on 1's but has 0.3?
He missed a header from six yards out in the 96th minute which will have accounted for the 0.4 spike right at the end of the graph.
According to the bloke’s questionable xG model (sources from live text feeds!), that was the best chance of the game.
Conor Washington’s missed 1on1 shortly before was given roughly 0.25 xG according to the graph. Stockley’s bullet header that put us 1-0 up shortly afterwards was given about 0.35 xG.
Whist it is important to look at that and it does help show that we need to improve against the better teams. It is also worth noting that our run against the best teams of the league was also when we were missing all our strikers.
What that does prove quite rightly though is that we do need to improve our strength in depth.
What about when we were relegated from the Champ though? Our record against the top teams was good. Ultimately we’ve just been pretty poor regardless of opposition
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Purrington played under Adkins, albeit just the two full games against Gillingham and Bolton.
So less games than Stockley/Washington played under Jackson. But that's allowed to be an excuse.
Adkins was playing with Kirk who has turned out to be an effective player in the Championship for Blackpool.
See, we can do this back and forth all day.
People complain about Adkins dropping Dobson.
But Jackson drops Kirk who is playing effective football in the division above.
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Purrington played under Adkins, albeit just the two full games against Gillingham and Bolton.
So less games than Stockley/Washington played under Jackson. But that's allowed to be an excuse.
Adkins was playing with Kirk who has turned out to be an effective player in the Championship for Blackpool.
See, we can do this back and forth all day.
People complain about Adkins dropping Dobson.
But Jackson drops Kirk who is playing effective football in the division above.
We can do.
Jackson played Kirk as a wingback. Adkins played him in his natural position
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Purrington played under Adkins, albeit just the two full games against Gillingham and Bolton.
So less games than Stockley/Washington played under Jackson. But that's allowed to be an excuse.
Adkins was playing with Kirk who has turned out to be an effective player in the Championship for Blackpool.
See, we can do this back and forth all day.
People complain about Adkins dropping Dobson.
But Jackson drops Kirk who is playing effective football in the division above.
We can do.
Jackson played Kirk as a wingback. Adkins played him in his natural position
Without a natural left-back, everyone at Crewe said Kirk was at his best playing with an overlapping full back.
We didn't learn and went into the season with Gunter playing Left back.
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Purrington played under Adkins, albeit just the two full games against Gillingham and Bolton.
So less games than Stockley/Washington played under Jackson. But that's allowed to be an excuse.
Adkins was playing with Kirk who has turned out to be an effective player in the Championship for Blackpool.
See, we can do this back and forth all day.
People complain about Adkins dropping Dobson.
But Jackson drops Kirk who is playing effective football in the division above.
We can do.
Jackson played Kirk as a wingback. Adkins played him in his natural position
Without a natural left-back, everyone at Crewe said Kirk was at his best playing with an overlapping full back.
We didn't learn and went into the season with Gunter playing Left back.
I thought we brought in Roddy to play behind him? Oh wait...
As soon as we scored second goal Kanu should have been on, Jackson you are a fool.
Certainly a fool is revealed, not sure if its Jackson though.
So you think giving a young promising lad 40 seconds is an act of management genius when the game was already long won, yep agree I know who the fool is.
Sat N lower behind the goal, second row for the Morecambe game. There was a guy to my left, one or two rows back. He kept going out to the steps, abusing the keeper. My gf brought his anti social behaviour to my attention. H e also had a son with him about 11 or 12 yo. He actually thought he was really funny, turning around looking at our fans with a big grin on his face. Wished I had reported him, or better still given him a slap...
As soon as we scored second goal Kanu should have been on, Jackson you are a fool.
Certainly a fool is revealed, not sure if its Jackson though.
So you think giving a young promising lad 40 seconds is an act of management genius when the game was already long won, yep agree I know who the fool is.
So we win the game 2-0 and we now say
' we may have won but look at what time on the clock he made his subs'
As soon as we scored second goal Kanu should have been on, Jackson you are a fool.
Certainly a fool is revealed, not sure if its Jackson though.
So you think giving a young promising lad 40 seconds is an act of management genius when the game was already long won, yep agree I know who the fool is.
So we win the game 2-0 and we now say
' we may have won but look at what time on the clock he made his subs'
I am sure tha Kanu appreciated running on the pitch just in time to turn around and walk off 40 seconds later. If chosen for the Ipswich game he may actually get a whole minute. Why bother unless it was to run the clock down. Would certainly demotivate me.
In fact here's a stat - the 13 teams we played before JJ took over -we managed to put 9 points on the board - would JJ have done any better? Well in the return fixtures against all of those 13 teams JJ's return was... 10 points.
Yeah ..... but Adkins had all his strikers to choose from.
Jacko went half a dozen successive games against promotion chasing teams without a striker.
Stats are totally meaningless without context.
Excuses for one manager and not the other.
Adkins didn't have Aneke either. Didn't have Fraser. Didn't have Forster-Caskey back. Didn't have Purrington.
Purrington played under Adkins, albeit just the two full games against Gillingham and Bolton.
So less games than Stockley/Washington played under Jackson. But that's allowed to be an excuse.
Adkins was playing with Kirk who has turned out to be an effective player in the Championship for Blackpool.
See, we can do this back and forth all day.
People complain about Adkins dropping Dobson.
But Jackson drops Kirk who is playing effective football in the division above.
We can do.
Jackson played Kirk as a wingback. Adkins played him in his natural position
Without a natural left-back, everyone at Crewe said Kirk was at his best playing with an overlapping full back.
We didn't learn and went into the season with Gunter playing Left back.
I thought we brought in Roddy to play behind him? Oh wait...
Deary me I remember when that was our biggest problem. Feels like two lifetimes ago.
As soon as we scored second goal Kanu should have been on, Jackson you are a fool.
Certainly a fool is revealed, not sure if its Jackson though.
So you think giving a young promising lad 40 seconds is an act of management genius when the game was already long won, yep agree I know who the fool is.
So we win the game 2-0 and we now say
' we may have won but look at what time on the clock he made his subs'
I am sure tha Kanu appreciated running on the pitch just in time to turn around and walk off 40 seconds later. If chosen for the Ipswich game he may actually get a whole minute. Why bother unless it was to run the clock down. Would certainly demotivate me.
As soon as we scored second goal Kanu should have been on, Jackson you are a fool.
Certainly a fool is revealed, not sure if its Jackson though.
So you think giving a young promising lad 40 seconds is an act of management genius when the game was already long won, yep agree I know who the fool is.
So we win the game 2-0 and we now say
' we may have won but look at what time on the clock he made his subs'
I am sure tha Kanu appreciated running on the pitch just in time to turn around and walk off 40 seconds later. If chosen for the Ipswich game he may actually get a whole minute. Why bother unless it was to run the clock down. Would certainly demotivate me.
Yep how will he ever get over it?
Young lad, proven goal scorer gets 40 seconds when we are 2 nil up. How would you feel?
As soon as we scored second goal Kanu should have been on, Jackson you are a fool.
Certainly a fool is revealed, not sure if its Jackson though.
So you think giving a young promising lad 40 seconds is an act of management genius when the game was already long won, yep agree I know who the fool is.
So we win the game 2-0 and we now say
' we may have won but look at what time on the clock he made his subs'
I am sure tha Kanu appreciated running on the pitch just in time to turn around and walk off 40 seconds later. If chosen for the Ipswich game he may actually get a whole minute. Why bother unless it was to run the clock down. Would certainly demotivate me.
Yep how will he ever get over it?
Young lad, proven goal scorer gets 40 seconds when we are 2 nil up. How would you feel?
Probably your first 2 words is the answer to your question.
If his ego is that bad that he has to play a certain amount of minutes or he will sulk then he isn't going to get far.
And when has he been a proven goal scorer in league one?
Comments
I came and said Adkins also had to deal with injuries and literally every manager has to deal with them.
Excuses for one is allowed but not the other I suppose.
Thats it... end of story... end of discussion
I dont care about excuses as to who had someone available or whatever - I'm simply calling you out where you're once again coming out with something that is wrong.
You say: "People on here genuinely believed we had a squad capable of the playoffs in the first month of Jackson taking over."
They might have done, but their opinions were made at that time, 6 months ago. They were just people's own personal opinions, just like yours.
I'm not here to change your mind ...... but I will reiterate, when Adkins was sacked after yet another abysmal home defeat and mired deep in the relegation positions in 22nd place, Jacko took the reins returning home with well deserved victory at then 2nd in the League Sunderland. My God, I thought that was a breath of fresh air, didn't you?
Yeah, we had a good turn round in form which lifted the club. We held our own against the promotion chasing clubs and struggled against the minnows, but then we're Charlton ....I've witnessed more than half a century of that. Sure, some of us were doing the maths and having a little premature ejaculation .... but I'll repeat, did you really expect us to go from 22nd place to the playoffs?
Anyway, thank your lucky stars that the threat of relegation is a distant memory and instead, we're finishing the season around 12th.
Oh, and don't forget to thank Jacko on the way out!
We don't know how fit JFC is, whether he's being restricted by the Medical team or even where he fits in with others in the gameplan.
We also don't know what's going on behind the scenes, with his contract running down.
Morgan, well he has the ability with the ball, for sure.
But it's what he does without the ball that seems to be his weakness.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/four-takeaways-from-charltons-2-0-win-over-shrewsbury-addicks-ending-disappointing-season-in-good-form/
Wigan lead with 22.
Sunderland and Wycombe both on 17, Rotherham 15.
See, we can do this back and forth all day.
Not to excuse the poor losses against the likes of Lincoln and Morecambe more recently. Unfortunate this team still has a nasty loss in them on any given matchday and that is what will stop this group from challenging top six, no matter who is in charge.
According to the bloke’s questionable xG model (sources from live text feeds!), that was the best chance of the game.
Washington = green
Stockley = blue
Wigan - 0
Rotherham - 4
MKD - 0
Sunderland - 4
Plymouth - 3
Wycombe - 0
Wednesday - 1
Oxford - 0
That's 12 out of 48
What that does prove quite rightly though is that we do need to improve our strength in depth.
But Jackson drops Kirk who is playing effective football in the division above.
We can do.
We didn't learn and went into the season with Gunter playing Left back.
Wished I had reported him, or better still given him a slap...
' we may have won but look at what time on the clock he made his subs'
If his ego is that bad that he has to play a certain amount of minutes or he will sulk then he isn't going to get far.
And when has he been a proven goal scorer in league one?