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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,150
    I mentioned Matt Taylor after Bowyer and Adkins. It’s a yes from me.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Yes but it is interesting to note the people we were talking to last year before being essentially 'forced' to employ Jackson permanently. 
    Sandgaard was not forced to pick Jackson. No one had him in a headlock. That was his own decision. 


    He himself said he was basically forced into it because of the great results and fan pressure. 

    It's a compliment to Jackson that he won himself the role, but indicates that Thomas had his eye elsewhere before the results picked up. 
    Thomas had someone lined up to replace Adkins and was talked into giving Jackson a trial spell by someone. 

    That person is no longer available. 
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,639
    wouldn't be against Matt Taylor though I think TS will want to go for someone who has managed/coached in a higher division.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,150
    I know that this isn't the first time I've mentioned him and I'm going to sound like a warped record but I am scratching my head as to why Matt Taylor isn't being talked up or included in the betting for our next Manager. So, what is wrong with the credentials of someone that

    (1) is not just leading his team to promotion but on the verge of being Champions too

    (2) is managing a team that has picked up 50 out of the last 66 points available

    (3) is in charge of a side that has only conceded 6 goals in their last 12 matches when the pressure for promotion is at its greatest

    (4) has been in the same job for four seasons with a win record of 45% and a loss record of just 25% from 212 games in charge

    (5) was a major part of CP's League 1 Champions team in playing in 41 of the 46 games that season

    (6) is so open to different footballing ideas so much so that, at the very late age of 23, he switched from being a keeper to a centre back. Who has ever done that successfully?

    (7) played for his current club as he did for us so has proven credentials for being able to play, coach and manage at the same club

    (8) played with a major figure in our backroom staff namely Jason Euell

    (9) is known for bringing through young players - six of the 14 players used in their last game are 23 or younger and only two are older than 27

    (10) Success despite having to sell the attacking influences of Randell Williams, Ryan Bowman and Joey Randall but identified suitable replacements

    (11) Will know how to bring the very best out of Stockley who he managed at Exeter and unless we sell him that will be a major key to our success

    (12) on his release as a player, our very own fans said of him on CL: 
    "Never once moaned about losing his place and was always available when called upon. Great pro, good luck to him"
    "Had the pleasure of a round of golf with him and he was genuinely a great bloke"
    "Was on Matt's table at the sponsors do in the promotion season. Lovely fella"
    "Yep good luck to Matt always gave 100% and nice bloke gave my son a signed shirt when he left"
    "Matt is a good friend of a contact of mine in Manchester. When he heard I was a Charlton fan he went to the trouble of getting me a signed Charlton shirt of all the players in our Division 1 title winning side. That is now framed and has pride of place on my hall wall. Genuine bloke"
    "If only all players had the attitude, character and commitment that Matt Taylor showed"

    (13) the fans of his current club rank him (in his first job as a manager) as one of their best ever Managers as per these comments from half a dozen contributors to their forum:
    "In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so."
    "I think if we win the title then it elevates Taylor above Tisdale as it will be one each on net promotions but winning the Championship pips it. Its a close call but then taking into account both of their personalities Taylor wins as Tisdale was a c0ck and Taylor isn't."
    "Tactically, MT has the edge on the other managers of the promotion sides I have seen."
    "What really excites though, is looking forward. This season MT has really produced the goods, and for the most part through very entertaining football (which is why I think the crowds this season have been so impressive). He’s had a cash advantage, but still less to play with than a few of the others in the division. I think if he can keep the better players and add a couple the next couple of seasons could put him top for me"
    "Matt Taylor is the GOAT"

    If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1. 

    And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!



    PS Disclosure - if he gets the job I should be getting a "finders fee" from the Club - linked to his level of his success of course!!!

    Send this to TS
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,447
    edited May 2022
    I’d be happy with Taylor despite saying I didn’t want a former player.

    On goalkeepers switching to an outfield position, another former player did it too - Josh Magennis. Slightly younger age at 17/18 but had even been the sub keeper for Cardiff’s first team.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,639
    I'd rather Keane than have Bowyer back.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,447
    I'd rather Keane than have Bowyer back.
    He’d be accused of bullying about 5 minutes into his first preseason friendly.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,237
    Jody Morris

    Too small and too Chelsea.
  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,726
    Gotta say that is all very impressive with Taylor. Young, upcoming manager but still has decent experience. 

    Liked him as a player for us aswell. 

    Anyone know how Exeter play? I see the attacking bit mentioned but wondered if anyone had ever see them play.
  • RC_CAFC
    RC_CAFC Posts: 1,761
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Yes but it is interesting to note the people we were talking to last year before being essentially 'forced' to employ Jackson permanently. 
    Sandgaard was not forced to pick Jackson. No one had him in a headlock. That was his own decision. 


    If Sandgaard hadn't appointed Jackson last year, there would have been outrage! He recognised that.

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  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,150
    wouldn't be against Matt Taylor though I think TS will want to go for someone who has managed/coached in a higher division.
    Worked well with Adkins. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,722
    Scoham said:
    I'd rather Keane than have Bowyer back.
    He’d be accused of bullying about 5 minutes into his first preseason friendly.
    This lot need bullying. 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,893
    Cafc43v3r said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Yes but it is interesting to note the people we were talking to last year before being essentially 'forced' to employ Jackson permanently. 
    Sandgaard was not forced to pick Jackson. No one had him in a headlock. That was his own decision. 


    He himself said he was basically forced into it because of the great results and fan pressure. 

    It's a compliment to Jackson that he won himself the role, but indicates that Thomas had his eye elsewhere before the results picked up. 
    Thomas had someone lined up to replace Adkins and was talked into giving Jackson a trial spell by someone. 

    That person is no longer available. 
    Does that person have a name?

    if you know the name but cannot say, would he have been a good appointment and is he doing well where he is?
  • Yes I was thinking of Taylor as well. Not done a bad job there. 
    Lot of rumours Bowyer might come back. Would like to have seen what he would of done with a transfer kitty for us. 
    Not going to leave a championship team for us though. Especially the size of Birmingham. 

    I think Matt Taylor would be a good choice but if he is going to come to us, we would need to offer him a very good deal to entice him away from Exeter. I would have thought he would fancy a chance of seeing what he could do with Exeter next season.

    As to Bowyer returning - NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO (ad infinitum). Not a nice person and a terrible manager. I still remember some of his public comments about players, particularly a young Albie Morgan. That is NOT how to manage anyone. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,447
    RC_CAFC said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Yes but it is interesting to note the people we were talking to last year before being essentially 'forced' to employ Jackson permanently. 
    Sandgaard was not forced to pick Jackson. No one had him in a headlock. That was his own decision. 


    If Sandgaard hadn't appointed Jackson last year, there would have been outrage! He recognised that.
    He did but could argue he needs to make the right decisions rather than decisions that are popular in the short term.

    Not that I have faith in him bringing in the right manager.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,735
    Cafc43v3r said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Yes but it is interesting to note the people we were talking to last year before being essentially 'forced' to employ Jackson permanently. 
    Sandgaard was not forced to pick Jackson. No one had him in a headlock. That was his own decision. 


    He himself said he was basically forced into it because of the great results and fan pressure. 

    It's a compliment to Jackson that he won himself the role, but indicates that Thomas had his eye elsewhere before the results picked up. 
    Thomas had someone lined up to replace Adkins and was talked into giving Jackson a trial spell by someone. 

    That person is no longer available. 
    Does that person have a name?

    if you know the name but cannot say, would he have been a good appointment and is he doing well where he is?
    If its the name I heard... He's just outside the Championship Play-Offs.
  • LennyLowrent
    LennyLowrent Posts: 2,706
    Steve McLaren 
  • Charltonstu
    Charltonstu Posts: 225
    Boris Johnson,  might be available soon 😉 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,447
    Cafc43v3r said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Yes but it is interesting to note the people we were talking to last year before being essentially 'forced' to employ Jackson permanently. 
    Sandgaard was not forced to pick Jackson. No one had him in a headlock. That was his own decision. 


    He himself said he was basically forced into it because of the great results and fan pressure. 

    It's a compliment to Jackson that he won himself the role, but indicates that Thomas had his eye elsewhere before the results picked up. 
    Thomas had someone lined up to replace Adkins and was talked into giving Jackson a trial spell by someone. 

    That person is no longer available. 
    Does that person have a name?

    if you know the name but cannot say, would he have been a good appointment and is he doing well where he is?
    If its the name I heard... He's just outside the Championship Play-Offs.
    Wilder? Surely wouldn’t drop to L1 on whatever TS was going to offer?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,735
    Scoham said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Yes but it is interesting to note the people we were talking to last year before being essentially 'forced' to employ Jackson permanently. 
    Sandgaard was not forced to pick Jackson. No one had him in a headlock. That was his own decision. 


    He himself said he was basically forced into it because of the great results and fan pressure. 

    It's a compliment to Jackson that he won himself the role, but indicates that Thomas had his eye elsewhere before the results picked up. 
    Thomas had someone lined up to replace Adkins and was talked into giving Jackson a trial spell by someone. 

    That person is no longer available. 
    Does that person have a name?

    if you know the name but cannot say, would he have been a good appointment and is he doing well where he is?
    If its the name I heard... He's just outside the Championship Play-Offs.
    Wilder? Surely wouldn’t drop to L1 on whatever TS was going to offer?
    Thats what I thought - Although I've got no reason to doubt the person who told me

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  • Dizzle
    Dizzle Posts: 5,190
    Can only be Wilder or Bruce. Both of which I find hard to believe would drop down to League One
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,280
    edited May 2022
    Roy Keane I think Jonathan ackworth would be a better manager than him talks total shit.
    That's just given the green light for Ackworth to apply.
  • Karim_myBagheri
    Karim_myBagheri Posts: 12,846
    Taylor was also one of my first thoughts after our relegation from the championship, he did well with Exeter that season getting them into the play-offs. Of course Bowyer stayed but even after Adkins left he was still one of my first choices.

    Can't see him leaving Exeter now he has won league 2 and got them promoted. 
  • MStuartPerm
    MStuartPerm Posts: 611
    shirty5 said:
    Hasselbaink would go down well. 😂
    He went down in stages when he played for us, he was so unfit and overweight. 

    From a management perspective he got lucky with Burton one season but hasn’t set the world alight at QPR or Northampton.

    Personally, I don’t care who’s manager if they get us back up to and competitive in the Championship. My fear is that with the expected budget and non-playing management we have in place this is going to prove difficult for whoever gets the role. 

    Over the past few years apart from Powell, Bowyer and Jackson most of the managers have been instantly forgettable or remembered for the wrong things including hiding in laundry baskets. 


  • Anyone but Roy Keane. 
    And Hasselbaink. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,894
    Taylor was also one of my first thoughts after our relegation from the championship, he did well with Exeter that season getting them into the play-offs. Of course Bowyer stayed but even after Adkins left he was still one of my first choices.

    Can't see him leaving Exeter now he has won league 2 and got them promoted. 
    Would depend if TS could sell him the "vision" and of course one would think that his salary would be much improved. Don't like the "we are a bigger club" argument but the fact is that Exeter's average crowd is about 5,000 and their capacity is 8,679. That, in itself, is going to restrict them so far as growth is concerned. 
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,150
    We may well have wanted Wilder but I highly doubt he would have come here. 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,237
    Cafc43v3r said:
    shirty5 said:
    shirty5 said:
    Yes but it is interesting to note the people we were talking to last year before being essentially 'forced' to employ Jackson permanently. 
    Sandgaard was not forced to pick Jackson. No one had him in a headlock. That was his own decision. 


    He himself said he was basically forced into it because of the great results and fan pressure. 

    It's a compliment to Jackson that he won himself the role, but indicates that Thomas had his eye elsewhere before the results picked up. 
    Thomas had someone lined up to replace Adkins and was talked into giving Jackson a trial spell by someone. 

    That person is no longer available. 

    Is your source reliable ?
    And how is Mr x doing in his new job ?


  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    Taylor was also one of my first thoughts after our relegation from the championship, he did well with Exeter that season getting them into the play-offs. Of course Bowyer stayed but even after Adkins left he was still one of my first choices.

    Can't see him leaving Exeter now he has won league 2 and got them promoted. 
    Taylor is a young and upcoming manager who will at some point want to move onto a bigger and better job than Exeter City. He might well fancy having a crack with them in league one next season but if he were given the opportunity to manage Charlton he might just as easily see that as a stepping stone to even bigger things. I think every manager in league two and at least 2/3 of league one would look at the Charlton job very seriously. 
  • iainambler
    iainambler Posts: 964
    Just reading up on Michael Beale and he looks like a great prospect as the coach. Will Sandgaard look for a manager to go alongside him? Where does that leave Euell - academy, development and junior teams?
    We need a strong academy to feed into senior team and sell on other prospects….