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  • Michael Beale seems like the perfect 'head coach' in TS's mind. 

    Can be given players and adapt to make them the best they can be. Excellent coaching credentials and has a lot of credibility throughout the football world of being an excellent coach. 

    However, what looks good on paper usually never goes as well in reality. Lack of management experience can make a good coach fold completely (See Mr. Reed for example). 
    Yeah excellent example in Les Reed, even Sammy Lee... We won't know if we dont try but was only just thinking that Beale could easily end up being the perfect Assistant Manager type, but when he finally gets in the hot seat as a Manager he's shite. 

    Like you say though, if he's only going to be a Head Coach here - It might end up being the perfect scenario for him 
    Paul Clement, Mike Phelan etc too.

    But then David Wagner for example did pretty well.  
  • seth plum said:
    Harris joined Cardiff in the November, and by the end of that season got them to fifth, a play off spot, in the Championship.
    Yep and left them in 15th.
  • Matt Taylor is a very good bloke and clearly a good manager.

    However it took him four years to rebuild Exeter and get them promoted. That might be how long it takes here too.

    Can fans be that patient? I fear for whoever is coming in next.
    There is a big difference between Exeter even in league 2 and us in league 1.......
  • JamesSeed said:
    I’d probably be happy with Neil Harris. 
    Of course you would, comrade  ;)
    Is there a liberal media elite champagne socialist area at the New Den these days?
  • I know that this isn't the first time I've mentioned him and I'm going to sound like a warped record but I am scratching my head as to why Matt Taylor isn't being talked up or included in the betting for our next Manager. So, what is wrong with the credentials of someone that

    (1) is not just leading his team to promotion but on the verge of being Champions too

    (2) is managing a team that has picked up 50 out of the last 66 points available

    (3) is in charge of a side that has only conceded 6 goals in their last 12 matches when the pressure for promotion is at its greatest

    (4) has been in the same job for four seasons with a win record of 45% and a loss record of just 25% from 212 games in charge

    (5) was a major part of CP's League 1 Champions team in playing in 41 of the 46 games that season

    (6) is so open to different footballing ideas so much so that, at the very late age of 23, he switched from being a keeper to a centre back. Who has ever done that successfully?

    (7) played for his current club as he did for us so has proven credentials for being able to play, coach and manage at the same club

    (8) played with a major figure in our backroom staff namely Jason Euell

    (9) is known for bringing through young players - six of the 14 players used in their last game are 23 or younger and only two are older than 27

    (10) Success despite having to sell the attacking influences of Randell Williams, Ryan Bowman and Joey Randall but identified suitable replacements

    (11) Will know how to bring the very best out of Stockley who he managed at Exeter and unless we sell him that will be a major key to our success

    (12) on his release as a player, our very own fans said of him on CL: 
    "Never once moaned about losing his place and was always available when called upon. Great pro, good luck to him"
    "Had the pleasure of a round of golf with him and he was genuinely a great bloke"
    "Was on Matt's table at the sponsors do in the promotion season. Lovely fella"
    "Yep good luck to Matt always gave 100% and nice bloke gave my son a signed shirt when he left"
    "Matt is a good friend of a contact of mine in Manchester. When he heard I was a Charlton fan he went to the trouble of getting me a signed Charlton shirt of all the players in our Division 1 title winning side. That is now framed and has pride of place on my hall wall. Genuine bloke"
    "If only all players had the attitude, character and commitment that Matt Taylor showed"

    (13) the fans of his current club rank him (in his first job as a manager) as one of their best ever Managers as per these comments from half a dozen contributors to their forum:
    "In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so."
    "I think if we win the title then it elevates Taylor above Tisdale as it will be one each on net promotions but winning the Championship pips it. Its a close call but then taking into account both of their personalities Taylor wins as Tisdale was a c0ck and Taylor isn't."
    "Tactically, MT has the edge on the other managers of the promotion sides I have seen."
    "What really excites though, is looking forward. This season MT has really produced the goods, and for the most part through very entertaining football (which is why I think the crowds this season have been so impressive). He’s had a cash advantage, but still less to play with than a few of the others in the division. I think if he can keep the better players and add a couple the next couple of seasons could put him top for me"
    "
    Matt Taylor is the GOAT"

    If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1. 

    And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!



    PS Disclosure - if he gets the job I should be getting a "finders fee" from the Club - linked to his level of his success of course!!!


    I hate that I'm saying this, but I think he will want to give it a go with Exeter and we are not a big enough draw to drag him away from that.
  • Scoham said:
    I hope Sandgaard has a good handle on youth football in this country because that’s probably the best place to find someone who will accept this style of management.
    U23 coaches under the age of 50 working in Premier League 2…

    Brian Barry-Murphy : Man City
    Elliot Dickman : Newcastle
    Jamie Collins : Wolves
    Kevin Betsy : Arsenal
    Deon Burton : West Brom (ex-Charlton…)
    Andy Reid : Forest (ex-Charlton…)
    Alan Neilson : Norwich
    Paddy McCarthy : Crystal Palace (ex-Charlton…)
    Andrew Taylor : Leeds
    Neil Wood/Paul McShane : Man Utd
    Andrew Crofts : Brighton (ex-Charlton…)
    Mark Delaney : Aston Villa
    Mark Tinkler : Middlesbrough
    Andy Myers : Chelsea
    Noel Hunt : Reading
    Pat Lyons : Derby
    Good start, but which ones play out from the back with a high press?

    Might be quicker to list those who don’t.
    I’d like it if we played out from the back with a low block and a medium press. 
    Do I get the job?
  • Jayajosh said:
    Roy Hodgson? Leaving Watford this summer.
    Fluid attacking football??...
  • Michael Beale seems like the perfect 'head coach' in TS's mind. 

    Can be given players and adapt to make them the best they can be. Excellent coaching credentials and has a lot of credibility throughout the football world of being an excellent coach. 

    However, what looks good on paper usually never goes as well in reality. Lack of management experience can make a good coach fold completely (See Mr. Reed for example). 
    Yeah excellent example in Les Reed, even Sammy Lee... We won't know if we dont try but was only just thinking that Beale could easily end up being the perfect Assistant Manager type, but when he finally gets in the hot seat as a Manager he's shite. 

    Like you say though, if he's only going to be a Head Coach here - It might end up being the perfect scenario for him 
    Paul Clement, Mike Phelan etc too.

    But then David Wagner for example did pretty well.  
    And Carlos Corberán, also at Huddersfield, has done a brilliant job this season. Bielsa protégé 
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  • Jayajosh said:
    Roy Hodgson? Leaving Watford this summer.
    I wouldn't be confident he'd last the season.
    He's looking quite frail.
  • I know that this isn't the first time I've mentioned him and I'm going to sound like a warped record but I am scratching my head as to why Matt Taylor isn't being talked up or included in the betting for our next Manager. So, what is wrong with the credentials of someone that

    (1) is not just leading his team to promotion but on the verge of being Champions too

    (2) is managing a team that has picked up 50 out of the last 66 points available

    (3) is in charge of a side that has only conceded 6 goals in their last 12 matches when the pressure for promotion is at its greatest

    (4) has been in the same job for four seasons with a win record of 45% and a loss record of just 25% from 212 games in charge

    (5) was a major part of CP's League 1 Champions team in playing in 41 of the 46 games that season

    (6) is so open to different footballing ideas so much so that, at the very late age of 23, he switched from being a keeper to a centre back. Who has ever done that successfully?

    (7) played for his current club as he did for us so has proven credentials for being able to play, coach and manage at the same club

    (8) played with a major figure in our backroom staff namely Jason Euell

    (9) is known for bringing through young players - six of the 14 players used in their last game are 23 or younger and only two are older than 27

    (10) Success despite having to sell the attacking influences of Randell Williams, Ryan Bowman and Joey Randall but identified suitable replacements

    (11) Will know how to bring the very best out of Stockley who he managed at Exeter and unless we sell him that will be a major key to our success

    (12) on his release as a player, our very own fans said of him on CL: 
    "Never once moaned about losing his place and was always available when called upon. Great pro, good luck to him"
    "Had the pleasure of a round of golf with him and he was genuinely a great bloke"
    "Was on Matt's table at the sponsors do in the promotion season. Lovely fella"
    "Yep good luck to Matt always gave 100% and nice bloke gave my son a signed shirt when he left"
    "Matt is a good friend of a contact of mine in Manchester. When he heard I was a Charlton fan he went to the trouble of getting me a signed Charlton shirt of all the players in our Division 1 title winning side. That is now framed and has pride of place on my hall wall. Genuine bloke"
    "If only all players had the attitude, character and commitment that Matt Taylor showed"

    (13) the fans of his current club rank him (in his first job as a manager) as one of their best ever Managers as per these comments from half a dozen contributors to their forum:
    "In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so."
    "I think if we win the title then it elevates Taylor above Tisdale as it will be one each on net promotions but winning the Championship pips it. Its a close call but then taking into account both of their personalities Taylor wins as Tisdale was a c0ck and Taylor isn't."
    "Tactically, MT has the edge on the other managers of the promotion sides I have seen."
    "What really excites though, is looking forward. This season MT has really produced the goods, and for the most part through very entertaining football (which is why I think the crowds this season have been so impressive). He’s had a cash advantage, but still less to play with than a few of the others in the division. I think if he can keep the better players and add a couple the next couple of seasons could put him top for me"
    "Matt Taylor is the GOAT"

    If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1. 

    And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!



    PS Disclosure - if he gets the job I should be getting a "finders fee" from the Club - linked to his level of his success of course!!!

    Because he's just got his team promoted to League 1 & will probably finish higher than us next season. 
  • Steve Kean is a bit of a random one
  • Yes I was thinking of Taylor as well. Not done a bad job there. 
    Lot of rumours Bowyer might come back. Would like to have seen what he would of done with a transfer kitty for us. 
    Not going to leave a championship team for us though. Especially the size of Birmingham. 

    Don’t think he got a choice he going to be sacked after last game 
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  • Michael Beale seems like the perfect 'head coach' in TS's mind. 

    Can be given players and adapt to make them the best they can be. Excellent coaching credentials and has a lot of credibility throughout the football world of being an excellent coach. 

    However, what looks good on paper usually never goes as well in reality. Lack of management experience can make a good coach fold completely (See Mr. Reed for example). 
    Yeah excellent example in Les Reed, even Sammy Lee... We won't know if we dont try but was only just thinking that Beale could easily end up being the perfect Assistant Manager type, but when he finally gets in the hot seat as a Manager he's shite. 

    Like you say though, if he's only going to be a Head Coach here - It might end up being the perfect scenario for him 
    Paul Clement, Mike Phelan etc too.

    But then David Wagner for example did pretty well.  
    And Carlos Corberán, also at Huddersfield, has done a brilliant job this season. Bielsa protégé 
    Huddersfield play great football. Played Fulham off the park earlier this season. 
  • edited May 2022
    Dizzle said:
    Steve Kean is a bit of a random one
    Shoddy journalism. The name Keane (Roy) has been bandied about on here & a reporter just googled Keane, put 2&2 together and came up with a Haggis. 
  • edited May 2022
    shirty5 said:
    Love the fact it points out Hibs are after a manager and yet they wouldn't appoint him.

    Let alone anyone else.
  • Michael Beale seems like the perfect 'head coach' in TS's mind. 

    Can be given players and adapt to make them the best they can be. Excellent coaching credentials and has a lot of credibility throughout the football world of being an excellent coach. 

    However, what looks good on paper usually never goes as well in reality. Lack of management experience can make a good coach fold completely (See Mr. Reed for example). 
    Yeah excellent example in Les Reed, even Sammy Lee... We won't know if we dont try but was only just thinking that Beale could easily end up being the perfect Assistant Manager type, but when he finally gets in the hot seat as a Manager he's shite. 

    Like you say though, if he's only going to be a Head Coach here - It might end up being the perfect scenario for him 
    Paul Clement, Mike Phelan etc too.

    But then David Wagner for example did pretty well.  
    And Carlos Corberán, also at Huddersfield, has done a brilliant job this season. Bielsa protégé 
    Huddersfield play great football. Played Fulham off the park earlier this season. 
    When they lost 5-1 even though they were playing against 10 men? 😉
  • edited May 2022
    Rylo said:
    To be completely honest I’m just bored if it now. Managers, players… they just swap every few months / years and get paid regardless. 

    Personally I’d prefer a young manager from the lower leagues (ours or league two, even the leagues below) who has had some success, with a positive style of football, who has that passion, whilst delivering modern methods.  (Jackson isn’t one of those I know, but he’s gone so…) with waining interest. There are too many of those floating around with no real move for the game anymore. It’s too easy for them to jump from club to club. 

    If not a young manager then a young coach at a bigger club with something to prove as a manager at a lower level. 

    We need fresh ideas, a new face to the club, and not someone who’s done the rounds already. 

    What is a dinosaur? 

    Adkins?  He is a couple of years older than Wilder and Klopp, all in their mid 50s.  Pep is only a couple of years younger. Bielsa is nearly 70 and has a freedom pass.

    I think we would all take 4 of them!  Don't you think they could bring fresh ideas? 

    Surely it's the best man for the job?  We do this when discussing players we can't sign x because he has some common trate with y. 

    Look at who is in charge of coaching these coaches through their badges.  Anyone who saw his Cambridge team play would say he is the poster boy for dinosaurs. 

    I just want the best possible candidate and don't care if he is 77 or 27, as long as he is good. 


  • Bielsa is out of work, isn't he?  ;)
  • edited May 2022
    Steve Kean should be a shocker.
  • edited May 2022
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Rylo said:
    To be completely honest I’m just bored if it now. Managers, players… they just swap every few months / years and get paid regardless. 

    Personally I’d prefer a young manager from the lower leagues (ours or league two, even the leagues below) who has had some success, with a positive style of football, who has that passion, whilst delivering modern methods.  (Jackson isn’t one of those I know, but he’s gone so…) with waining interest. There are too many of those floating around with no real move for the game anymore. It’s too easy for them to jump from club to club. 

    If not a young manager then a young coach at a bigger club with something to prove as a manager at a lower level. 

    We need fresh ideas, a new face to the club, and not someone who’s done the rounds already. 

    What is a dinosaur? 

    Adkins?  He is a couple of years older than Wilder and Klopp, all in their mid 50s.  Pep is only a couple of years younger. Bielsa is nearly 70 and has a freedom pass.

    I think we would all take 4 of them!  Don't you think they could bring fresh ideas? 

    Surely it's the best man for the job?  We do this when discussing players we can't sign x because he has some common trate with y. 

    Look at who is in charge of coaching these coaches through their badges.  Anyone who say his Cambridge team play would say he is the poster boy for dinosaurs. 

    I just want the best possible candidate and don't care if he is 77 or 27, as long as he is good. 


    I think that what I meant was I’d like someone who is more forward thinking in terms of strategy, technical analysis, and who is tactically able to actually change the shape and approach of a team DURING a game (when did we last have someone who could do that effectively?!). 
    It wasn’t necessarily an age related dig, more wanting someone who isn’t set in their ways in terms of their overall approach, and just happy to just take a wage until they’re done (sacked) and move on without any real concern for the club in the long term. There are way too many like that unfortunately.
  • I think Steve Kean got an unnecessarily bad rap while at Blackburn... having said that his CV since isn't exactly inspiring.

    Blackburn 2010-12
    DPMM FC (Brunei) 2013-17
    Brunei National Team 2014
    OFI Crete 2019-20 (technical director)
    Melbourne Victory 2020-21 (assistant & caretaker)
    Hibs 2021- (academy director)
  • None of the realistic names mentioned fill me with excitement to be honest  but I guess that's the level we are at. Just really hoping for higher tempo attacking football as not sure I can cope with much more tapping it around the back followed by a hoof up the line as a primary tactic. 

    If we are talking about Roy Keane then may as well add Di Canio to the list
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