Michael Beale seems like the perfect 'head coach' in TS's mind.
Can be given players and adapt to make them the best they can be. Excellent coaching credentials and has a lot of credibility throughout the football world of being an excellent coach.
However, what looks good on paper usually never goes as well in reality. Lack of management experience can make a good coach fold completely (See Mr. Reed for example).
Michael Beale seems like the perfect 'head coach' in TS's mind.
Can be given players and adapt to make them the best they can be. Excellent coaching credentials and has a lot of credibility throughout the football world of being an excellent coach.
However, what looks good on paper usually never goes as well in reality. Lack of management experience can make a good coach fold completely (See Mr. Reed for example).
Yeah excellent example in Les Reed, even Sammy Lee... We won't know if we dont try but was only just thinking that Beale could easily end up being the perfect Assistant Manager type, but when he finally gets in the hot seat as a Manager he's shite.
Like you say though, if he's only going to be a Head Coach here - It might end up being the perfect scenario for him
Matt Taylor is a very good bloke and clearly a good manager.
However it took him four years to rebuild Exeter and get them promoted. That might be how long it takes here too.
Can fans be that patient? I fear for whoever is coming in next.
Taylor has done a good job there, but he took over a decent side - 4th and 5th in the 2 season before he took over. And Exeter is a well run and stable club with an excellent academy, at L2 level you'd expect them to do well, it's not like getting a Morecambe or Cambridge promoted.
Though Taylor didn't have Watkins and Wheeler who scored 30 goals between them in the first of the two seasons before he took over as Manager and then Stockley (35 in 58 starts) who only played half a season under him. Randell, Williams and Bowman were then all sold last season. In fact, it could be argued that Taylor contributed to those 4th and 5th positions as he joined Exeter in the autumn of 2016 as a defensive coach and also, as under-23s manager, led Exeter to a successful Under-23 Premier League Cup campaign.
Am I missing something, do people genuinely think we could get the likes of Dyche, Wilder, Farke, Warne etc as manager, or Beale as a first team coach under someone else....?
What magic pull do you think a mid-table League One club has?
We haven't played in the Premier League in 15 years. We don't have a particularly rich, unlimited funds type owner. We don't own our own stadium. That stadium is half empty. We literally can't give away tickets (well, we can, but no one uses them). We're about to stick the first team in temporary buildings as we don't want to build on a training ground we don't own. Living in London is expensive so your wages don't go as far.
Same as last time when people thought we'd get Howe, how and why?!
Am I missing something, do people genuinely think we could get the likes of Dyche, Wilder etc as manager, or Beale as a first team coach under someone else....?
What magic pull do you think a mid-table League One club has?
We haven't played in the Premier League in 15 years. We don't have a particularly rich, unlimited funds type owner. We don't own our own stadium. We're about to stick the first team in temporary buildings as we don't want to build on a training ground we don't own. Living in London is expensive so your wages don't go as far.
Same as last time when people thought we'd get Howe, how and why?!
Michael Beale seems like the perfect 'head coach' in TS's mind.
Can be given players and adapt to make them the best they can be. Excellent coaching credentials and has a lot of credibility throughout the football world of being an excellent coach.
However, what looks good on paper usually never goes as well in reality. Lack of management experience can make a good coach fold completely (See Mr. Reed for example).
Yeah excellent example in Les Reed, even Sammy Lee... We won't know if we dont try but was only just thinking that Beale could easily end up being the perfect Assistant Manager type, but when he finally gets in the hot seat as a Manager he's shite.
Like you say though, if he's only going to be a Head Coach here - It might end up being the perfect scenario for him
Paul Clement, Mike Phelan etc too.
But then David Wagner for example did pretty well.
Am I missing something, do people genuinely think we could get the likes of Dyche, Wilder etc as manager, or Beale as a first team coach under someone else....?
What magic pull do you think a mid-table League One club has?
We haven't played in the Premier League in 15 years. We don't have a particularly rich, unlimited funds type owner. We don't own our own stadium. We're about to stick the first team in temporary buildings as we don't want to build on a training ground we don't own. Living in London is expensive so your wages don't go as far.
Same as last time when people thought we'd get Howe, how and why?!
I know that this isn't the first time I've mentioned him and I'm going to sound like a warped record but I am scratching my head as to why Matt Taylor isn't being talked up or included in the betting for our next Manager. So, what is wrong with the credentials of someone that
(1) is not just leading his team to promotion but on the verge of being Champions too
(2) is managing a team that has picked up 50 out of the last 66 points available
(3) is in charge of a side that has only conceded 6 goals in their last 12 matches when the pressure for promotion is at its greatest
(4) has been in the same job for four seasons with a win record of 45% and a loss record of just 25% from 212 games in charge
(5) was a major part of CP's League 1 Champions team in playing in 41 of the 46 games that season
(6) is so open to different footballing ideas so much so that, at the very late age of 23, he switched from being a keeper to a centre back. Who has ever done that successfully?
(7) played for his current club as he did for us so has proven credentials for being able to play, coach and manage at the same club
(8) played with a major figure in our backroom staff namely Jason Euell
(9) is known for bringing through young players - six of the 14 players used in their last game are 23 or younger and only two are older than 27
(10) Success despite having to sell the attacking influences of Randell Williams, Ryan Bowman and Joey Randall but identified suitable replacements
(11) Will know how to bring the very best out of Stockley who he managed at Exeter and unless we sell him that will be a major key to our success
(12) on his release as a player, our very own fans said of him on CL: "Never once moaned about losing his place and was always available when called upon. Great pro, good luck to him" "Had the pleasure of a round of golf with him and he was genuinely a great bloke" "Was on Matt's table at the sponsors do in the promotion season. Lovely fella" "Yep good luck to Matt always gave 100% and nice bloke gave my son a signed shirt when he left" "Matt is a good friend of a contact of mine in Manchester. When he heard I was a Charlton fan he went to the trouble of getting me a signed Charlton shirt of all the players in our Division 1 title winning side. That is now framed and has pride of place on my hall wall. Genuine bloke" "If only all players had the attitude, character and commitment that Matt Taylor showed"
(13) the fans of his current club rank him (in his first job as a manager) as one of their best ever Managers as per these comments from half a dozen contributors to their forum: "In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so." "I think if we win the title then it elevates Taylor above Tisdale as it will be one each on net promotions but winning the Championship pips it. Its a close call but then taking into account both of their personalities Taylor wins as Tisdale was a c0ck and Taylor isn't." "Tactically, MT has the edge on the other managers of the promotion sides I have seen." "What really excites though, is looking forward. This season MT has really produced the goods, and for the most part through very entertaining football (which is why I think the crowds this season have been so impressive). He’s had a cash advantage, but still less to play with than a few of the others in the division. I think if he can keep the better players and add a couple the next couple of seasons could put him top for me" "Matt Taylor is the GOAT"
If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1.
And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!
I hope Sandgaard has a good handle on youth football in this country because that’s probably the best place to find someone who will accept this style of management.
U23 coaches under the age of 50 working in Premier League 2…
Brian Barry-Murphy : Man City Elliot Dickman : Newcastle Jamie Collins : Wolves Kevin Betsy : Arsenal Deon Burton : West Brom (ex-Charlton…) Andy Reid : Forest (ex-Charlton…) Alan Neilson : Norwich Paddy McCarthy : Crystal Palace (ex-Charlton…) Andrew Taylor : Leeds Neil Wood/Paul McShane : Man Utd Andrew Crofts : Brighton (ex-Charlton…) Mark Delaney : Aston Villa Mark Tinkler : Middlesbrough Andy Myers : Chelsea Noel Hunt : Reading Pat Lyons : Derby
Good start, but which ones play out from the back with a high press?
Might be quicker to list those who don’t.
I’d like it if we played out from the back with a low block and a medium press.
Michael Beale seems like the perfect 'head coach' in TS's mind.
Can be given players and adapt to make them the best they can be. Excellent coaching credentials and has a lot of credibility throughout the football world of being an excellent coach.
However, what looks good on paper usually never goes as well in reality. Lack of management experience can make a good coach fold completely (See Mr. Reed for example).
Yeah excellent example in Les Reed, even Sammy Lee... We won't know if we dont try but was only just thinking that Beale could easily end up being the perfect Assistant Manager type, but when he finally gets in the hot seat as a Manager he's shite.
Like you say though, if he's only going to be a Head Coach here - It might end up being the perfect scenario for him
Paul Clement, Mike Phelan etc too.
But then David Wagner for example did pretty well.
And Carlos Corberán, also at Huddersfield, has done a brilliant job this season. Bielsa protégé
To be completely honest I’m just bored if it now. Managers, players… they just swap every few months / years and get paid regardless.
Personally I’d prefer a young manager from the lower leagues (ours or league two, even the leagues below) who has had some success, with a positive style of football, who has that passion, whilst delivering modern methods. No more dinosaurs (Jackson isn’t one of those I know, but he’s gone so…) with waining interest. There are too many of those floating around with no real move for the game anymore. It’s too easy for them to jump from club to club.
If not a young manager then a young coach at a bigger club with something to prove as a manager at a lower level.
We need fresh ideas, a new face to the club, and not someone who’s done the rounds already.
I know that this isn't the first time I've mentioned him and I'm going to sound like a warped record but I am scratching my head as to why Matt Taylor isn't being talked up or included in the betting for our next Manager. So, what is wrong with the credentials of someone that
(1) is not just leading his team to promotion but on the verge of being Champions too
(2) is managing a team that has picked up 50 out of the last 66 points available
(3) is in charge of a side that has only conceded 6 goals in their last 12 matches when the pressure for promotion is at its greatest
(4) has been in the same job for four seasons with a win record of 45% and a loss record of just 25% from 212 games in charge
(5) was a major part of CP's League 1 Champions team in playing in 41 of the 46 games that season
(6) is so open to different footballing ideas so much so that, at the very late age of 23, he switched from being a keeper to a centre back. Who has ever done that successfully?
(7) played for his current club as he did for us so has proven credentials for being able to play, coach and manage at the same club
(8) played with a major figure in our backroom staff namely Jason Euell
(9) is known for bringing through young players - six of the 14 players used in their last game are 23 or younger and only two are older than 27
(10) Success despite having to sell the attacking influences of Randell Williams, Ryan Bowman and Joey Randall but identified suitable replacements
(11) Will know how to bring the very best out of Stockley who he managed at Exeter and unless we sell him that will be a major key to our success
(12) on his release as a player, our very own fans said of him on CL: "Never once moaned about losing his place and was always available when called upon. Great pro, good luck to him" "Had the pleasure of a round of golf with him and he was genuinely a great bloke" "Was on Matt's table at the sponsors do in the promotion season. Lovely fella" "Yep good luck to Matt always gave 100% and nice bloke gave my son a signed shirt when he left" "Matt is a good friend of a contact of mine in Manchester. When he heard I was a Charlton fan he went to the trouble of getting me a signed Charlton shirt of all the players in our Division 1 title winning side. That is now framed and has pride of place on my hall wall. Genuine bloke" "If only all players had the attitude, character and commitment that Matt Taylor showed"
(13) the fans of his current club rank him (in his first job as a manager) as one of their best ever Managers as per these comments from half a dozen contributors to their forum: "In four seasons MT has rebuilt a couple of attacking teams now, quite frankly i actually believe last season in periods-that was probably the most formidable attacking team (Randall,Randall,Jay,Bowman) i've ever seen at SJP. Its been a long ten years in League 2 and Matty had gone close, but for me you have to praise him because people were quite rightly questioning if it was ever going to happen, we had just received the Watkins and Randall Money and Fans expectations changed drastically and he got his Marquee signings in and has now fantastically completed the job. For me Taylor is on course to be our Best Manager ever, He's also my favourite manager ever in that he is very humble and will take accountability and i'm sure if things do wrong and he wasn't the man to take the club forward, he would be the first person to say so." "I think if we win the title then it elevates Taylor above Tisdale as it will be one each on net promotions but winning the Championship pips it. Its a close call but then taking into account both of their personalities Taylor wins as Tisdale was a c0ck and Taylor isn't." "Tactically, MT has the edge on the other managers of the promotion sides I have seen." "What really excites though, is looking forward. This season MT has really produced the goods, and for the most part through very entertaining football (which is why I think the crowds this season have been so impressive). He’s had a cash advantage, but still less to play with than a few of the others in the division. I think if he can keep the better players and add a couple the next couple of seasons could put him top for me" "Matt Taylor is the GOAT"
If we want someone who will, potentially, build for the future as opposed to a short term fix then why not go for a Manager with a proven record for doing so and who carries no baggage with him. There are clues from what our supporters who know him said when he left us and what Exeter fans are saying now so far as his personality is concerned. But we also know that he likes his sides to play entertaining football, that he is tactically sound and knows who and what type of player to bring in. In fact, he sounds very much like Eddie Howe and his playing background is similar too - I don't think Howe ever played above League 1.
And for those that still have doubts about his ability to produce the magical, from five years ago when he was the Exeter defensive coach, please watch this!
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Can be given players and adapt to make them the best they can be. Excellent coaching credentials and has a lot of credibility throughout the football world of being an excellent coach.
However, what looks good on paper usually never goes as well in reality. Lack of management experience can make a good coach fold completely (See Mr. Reed for example).
Like you say though, if he's only going to be a Head Coach here - It might end up being the perfect scenario for him
Though Taylor didn't have Watkins and Wheeler who scored 30 goals between them in the first of the two seasons before he took over as Manager and then Stockley (35 in 58 starts) who only played half a season under him. Randell, Williams and Bowman were then all sold last season. In fact, it could be argued that Taylor contributed to those 4th and 5th positions as he joined Exeter in the autumn of 2016 as a defensive coach and also, as under-23s manager, led Exeter to a successful Under-23 Premier League Cup campaign.
I will accept no others!
What magic pull do you think a mid-table League One club has?
We haven't played in the Premier League in 15 years.
We don't have a particularly rich, unlimited funds type owner.
We don't own our own stadium.
That stadium is half empty.
We literally can't give away tickets (well, we can, but no one uses them).
We're about to stick the first team in temporary buildings as we don't want to build on a training ground we don't own.
Living in London is expensive so your wages don't go as far.
Same as last time when people thought we'd get Howe, how and why?!
But then David Wagner for example did pretty well.
I hate that I'm saying this, but I think he will want to give it a go with Exeter and we are not a big enough draw to drag him away from that.
He's looking quite frail.