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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)
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Henry Irving said:In case you're not aware Luke Rooney is Mason Burstow's mentor/agent.
Pleased you added mentor.
Luke Rooney calls himself:
Player recruitment /mentor and the agency is called, Special talent. They don't have many followers, so it may be a new agency as they are springing up all the time. I found it fascinating talking to agents who have a bad image; rightly so in some cases but the two fellers I spoke too love football and represent many part timers as well as full time professionals.
Not sure how you make money on a guy earning £250 a week part time and is now 24 (a non League player not Burstow obviously)
Many agencies represent part time players who vastly out number the top five tiers of football.
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He’s the son of a multi multi millionaire. In learning the family business I expect he’s had various roles. The analyst role he’s undertaking at The Valley is fairly narrow in its remit so I doubt it’s not something that he can handle or at least get to grips with. He’s not had a job as an analyst because he’s never been required to follow a singular career path. I expect he can handle things in a broader sense than an analyst could think about.Scoham said:
Presumably his LinkedIn profile.ShootersHillGuru said:
You know this how ?The Red Robin said:
He’s barely an analyst. He’s only an analyst because daddy said so. I manage a team of data analysts. He wouldn’t even get an interview anywhere else.DA9 said:
What right does he have to involve himself on training effort, or lack of?Bolderhumphreyreid said:
This needs context.Airman Brown said:
MS certainly tried at least once last season.Jac_52 said:MuttleyCAFC said:I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
If he was at the training ground and saw a lacklustre group of players who were not putting a shift in then he’s more than got a right to ask for more surely?If he was there to effectively ask JJ to try something different in training then that wouldn’t be on.
Context please.
He’s an analyst, not his remit
He might say he used data in his last role but he’s never had a pure analytics position.
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Nobody is playing games, you are yet another person wanting to put the boot in before seeing what happens, if he fails miserably in the role you will be able to smuggly say I told you so. I’m not sure you will be shouting from the rooftops if he manages to surprise us and does well at it though?. The constant questioning of everything Sandgaard does or says is tiresome, the guy hasn’t completely failed yet so deserves a bit of patience to get things right, if eventually it goes completely tits then he is fair game.The Red Robin said:
OK, let’s play this game. Where on his cv does he have a history of data analysis? Or data analysis in elite sport?paulfox said:
Did he send you his cv personally?The Red Robin said:
He’s barely an analyst. He’s only an analyst because daddy said so. I manage a team of data analysts. He wouldn’t even get an interview anywhere else.DA9 said:
What right does he have to involve himself on training effort, or lack of?Bolderhumphreyreid said:
This needs context.Airman Brown said:
MS certainly tried at least once last season.Jac_52 said:MuttleyCAFC said:I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
If he was at the training ground and saw a lacklustre group of players who were not putting a shift in then he’s more than got a right to ask for more surely?If he was there to effectively ask JJ to try something different in training then that wouldn’t be on.
Context please.
He’s an analyst, not his remit8 -
THATS EXACTLY THE RESPONSE I THOUGHT I WOULD GET, SO OBVIOUS AND TYPICAL LOLDDOUBLEE said:
PRICKcornwalladdick said:
TWATDDOUBLEE said:Another ex-Palace wanker.
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and you should knowgolfaddick said:
When Prick meets Twat babies often ensue.DDOUBLEE said:
PRICKcornwalladdick said:
TWATDDOUBLEE said:Another ex-Palace wanker.
F**k off Ben and f**k off Thomas0 -
Yet so many would love Andrew Barclay to come, with most of his success having come from family businesses.
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He's not only Director of Analytics, that may be his title, but that's not all he does.
You may recall in the press at the time of his appointment TS stating "The senior Sandgaard is not ruling out other duties being added."1 -
I've decided cornwalladdick is my new favourite poster actually. I'll also confess that when I mocked them earlier I showed a clear lack of reading comprehension and thought they were agreeing with DDOUBLEE's original post, which itself is far more typical of the nonsense being spouted on Twitter right now1
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That’s a little hurtful, I thought we were getting along so well!!🤣😜Leuth said:I've decided cornwalladdick is my new favourite poster actually. I'll also confess that when I mocked them earlier I showed a clear lack of reading comprehension and thought they were agreeing with DDOUBLEE's original post, which itself is far more typical of the nonsense being spouted on Twitter right now3 -
Its not over , till the sausage dog sings......0
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For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum
And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:
https://www.hub-soccer.com/2020/09/07/recruitment-analyst-tottenham-hotspur/
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Excellent. A lot of people are saying we need a CEO.Rob7Lee said:He's not only Director of Analytics, that may be his title, but that's not all he does.
You may recall in the press at the time of his appointment TS stating "The senior Sandgaard is not ruling out other duties being added."
When he has the recruitment bit done he should be ready to go.0 -
I've got no problem with TS demanding 10% more in training, but I'm sure this will be monitored by the sports science team, rather than Tommy himself barking orders from the sidelines at sparrow's lane, Rudy Reyes style! I do have a problem with him and Martin picking the team though.Jac_52 said:
Oh dear. I'll classify that as very borderline worrying. He may be right and our training under previous managers has been lacking, but I agree statements like that aren't encouraging and hopefully are based on some sort of data compared to other clubs rather than him just deciding to say something like that. How he is qualified to know this I concede is a bit of a red flag and let's hope it stops there...LouisMend said:
Not sure if this is covered by what you say but on our POTY podcast he told me that he has set a target for “10% more intensity” in trainingJac_52 said:MuttleyCAFC said:I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
“There are better facilities now at the training ground. We already have our medical and sports science team and I’m demanding next season that our training has to have a minimum of 10 per cent more intensity“0 -
We need MS to sign up and make some huffy selected responses. We all remember the glory of Driesen Day right?5
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Mendonca In Asdas said:Its not over , till the sausage dog sings......
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Just the sort of skills the manager of the recruitment team would want in a member of staff.CL_Phantom said:For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum
And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:
https://www.hub-soccer.com/2020/09/07/recruitment-analyst-tottenham-hotspur/1 -
@The Red Robin In what world do you need a phd to be a data anaylst?
You don't need a phd to be able to know sql/excel/python/r ect.2 -
‘‘Manor’ appropriate to work with children of these ages.’CL_Phantom said:For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum
And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:
https://www.hub-soccer.com/2020/09/07/recruitment-analyst-tottenham-hotspur/
Manor.
Later the advertisement demands ‘attention to detail’.
For all their money this is incontrovertible proof that Manchester City are rubbish.11 -
Wow, skipped a bundle of pages after seeing there were 268 new posts since last night, and the last page is full of people squabbling about whether or not martin sandgaard is qualified to do whatever his dad asked him to. can't be bothered to go back through the other pages to follow more of the same, but it's really irrelevant to who the new manager is, or whether hs will be backed in the summer.6
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Mendonca In Asdas said:Its not over , till the sausage dog sings......
The truth and nothing but the truth:
Is it Ray the sausage dog v Thomas Sandgaard; Cawley going with the big Sausage Man?
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and here I'm stuck in the middle with you.
Announce Garner so we can all settle down.
Big Ronnie Dangerfield will sort out the minutiae and we can move on to players recruitment when ever they can put pen to paper.
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Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.26 -
In the clinical worldKindoncasella said:@The Red Robin In what world do you need a phd to be a data anaylst?
You don't need a phd to be able to know sql/excel/python/r ect.
edit: I’m not saying that’s essential (although it is for some roles we have), but that’s the level of data analyst that some organisations employ.1 -
Ok fair enough. I didnt pick that up, sorry for that.Swisdom said:
Which is why I SPECIFICALLY said as director of Football. Not manager.PragueAddick said:
The "deity" who is the subject of a huge thread on here called "Powell's football is terrible"? That deity? If this forum had a decent search engine and I had nothing better to do, I'd dig it out, and find your own contributions to it...Swisdom said:
There can be no doubt whatsoever about his contacts, networking and people skills and they would all be of use in a D of F role.
save your energy and time trying to prove something irrelevant to this particular situation.Unfortunately since we never had a DoF, I’d expect that when the results fail to come through as expected, people will turn on him. Recall how people started having a pop at Mervyn Day when we were in the FAPL, without any clear idea of what he might have done wrong. My main point is that fans are fickle and short-term, and unfortunately social media amplifies the effect, so that the victims hear the words more than in the past. SCP wont have forgotten that thread, so I think he’d piss himself at the idea that coming back as DoF would lead to “deity”.1 -
What was Andrew Mills’ role? Probably the closest we’ve had to a DoF. Gallen kind of is or has been I suppose.0
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Looks as though MS is the new Morgan Fox0
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Don’t tell him PikeRedrobo said:
Just out of interest, what management qualifications do you have?The Red Robin said:
I cannot believe we’re legitimately arguing over whether this is a person qualified to not just be a data analyst, but to lead data analysis at a professional football club. I wouldn’t even give him an entry level job.Scoham said:
Presumably his LinkedIn profile.ShootersHillGuru said:
You know this how ?The Red Robin said:
He’s barely an analyst. He’s only an analyst because daddy said so. I manage a team of data analysts. He wouldn’t even get an interview anywhere else.DA9 said:
What right does he have to involve himself on training effort, or lack of?Bolderhumphreyreid said:
This needs context.Airman Brown said:
MS certainly tried at least once last season.Jac_52 said:MuttleyCAFC said:I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
If he was at the training ground and saw a lacklustre group of players who were not putting a shift in then he’s more than got a right to ask for more surely?If he was there to effectively ask JJ to try something different in training then that wouldn’t be on.
Context please.
He’s an analyst, not his remit
He might say he used data in his last role but he’s never had a pure analytics position.For some context, the entry level data analysts on my team have published work, PhDs, skills across multiple platforms and coding languages. Minimum.
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The reason that Dowie was doomed before he started........The Red Robin said:What was Andrew Mills’ role? Probably the closest we’ve had to a DoF. Gallen kind of is or has been I suppose.3 -
I wouldn’t find it amusing but I do hate the clubbalham red said:
I suppose it would be amusing if you hated the club.wmcf123 said:
It would be amusing if Garner told us to stuff it .DubaiCAFC said:Cawley has been clearly told a deal has been agreed, but that's if Charlton go down the Garner route.. I think TS wants 2 or 3 options agreed before picking.. Clearly that could piss people off!
I think we will hear a lot more today, potenially announcement, if not early next week! That's my hunch!7 -
Hello people from page 152. If you're feeling lost, and I'm doing this for free, no, we still don't have a manager, some lad on Twitter doing an impression of Ray Winstone reckons Albie Morgan told him Chris Powell is coming back and The Red Robin doesn't want to employ Martin Sandgaard at his place of work. In case you're wondering, if you don't have a PhD he doesn't want to know, so don't go thinking there's an opening there. Also Manchester City can't spell.
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He is qualified, as he represents the owner, his father in a family business. Who better to keep an eye on things whilst gathering knowledge regarding the company from others, I/e Gallen. Now let’s get on with talking about MANAGERS!!!!8
