Its a very weird obsession about what MS does or doesnt do. Honestly, it really is.
why is it? I don't mean to be rude but I think that's nonsense. I think it would be unfair to personally attack him, call him useless etc, but I don't think anyone is doing that. But I don't see why we shouldn't debate his role at the club. The fact it he wouldn't get this role at any other club, he's got it because his dad is the owner. We've now got someone very inexperienced and unqualified in a position which massively contributes to how we do on the pitch this season. We all want the best for the club and we all want promotion, debating whether Martin is right to lead on this isn't unfair IMO.
When Airman ‘likes’ that post it scares me , we’ve got another nutbag , let’s hope he’s more useful than that goalkeeping coach from Swindon’s nutsack .
We have "known" that Martin is in charge of recruitment and many of us have raised it as a massive red flag. The proof of the pudding will of course be in the eating (happy with that @Henry Irving) but it is a big concern.
With the back ground of that there is little point employing a "manager", be it Adkins, Taylor, Warburton or Duff.
Whilst I don't buy into the buzz word bingo that is a young, hungry, progressive coach, thatnis exactly what we need, because of the way the club is run.
Mmmmmm……"I have my doubts that Martin is actually “in charge” of recruitment. On paper it may read that way but I don’t buy that.
Why does Thomas keep saying he is?
Well…..I have only seen/heard him described as head of player recruitment analytics, which is a very different thing. Do you know better?
Sandgaard has pretty much said so, yes. He's the head of the analytics, then does the scouting with Steve Gallen (who is the primary negotiator). If Martin isn't in charge of the recruitment, who is?
When Airman ‘likes’ that post it scares me , we’ve got another nutbag , let’s hope he’s more useful than that goalkeeping coach from Swindon’s nutsack .
We have "known" that Martin is in charge of recruitment and many of us have raised it as a massive red flag. The proof of the pudding will of course be in the eating (happy with that @Henry Irving) but it is a big concern.
With the back ground of that there is little point employing a "manager", be it Adkins, Taylor, Warburton or Duff.
Whilst I don't buy into the buzz word bingo that is a young, hungry, progressive coach, thatnis exactly what we need, because of the way the club is run.
Mmmmmm……"I have my doubts that Martin is actually “in charge” of recruitment. On paper it may read that way but I don’t buy that.
Why does Thomas keep saying he is?
Well…..I have only seen/heard him described as head of player recruitment analytics, which is a very different thing. Do you know better?
Sandgaard has pretty much said so, yes. He's the head of the analytics, then does the scouting with Steve Gallen (who is the primary negotiator). If Martin isn't in charge of the recruitment, who is?
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
MS certainly tried at least once last season.
This needs context.
If he was at the training ground and saw a lacklustre group of players who were not putting a shift in then he’s more than got a right to ask for more surely?
If he was there to effectively ask JJ to try something different in training then that wouldn’t be on.
Context please.
Is he right to question training at all if he’s just turned up without a clue what the coaches and staff have asked the players to do that day or how close to a previous or upcoming game it is? Martin Sandgaard is nowhere near qualified to even be near a first team coaching session, let alone questioning experienced and qualified coaches.
Or he might simply have been there learning and seeing more of what goes on at professional football club on a day to day basis. Getting a flavour of what goes on at the training ground the vibe, dressing room banter maybe, just the feel of the place. If I was in his position I would most certainly want to know more about everything that goes on at the club (within reason), including attending some training sessions and the day to day running of Sparrows Lane. Just another way of looking at it, which excludes any conspiracy theories. He has every right to be there as long as he doesn’t interfere, which I can only assume he hasn’t.
The entire point and discussion is that that’s exactly what he tried to do.
Did he ask questions or did he try to influence forcibly or just in passing. We all know there are so many ways of a conversation being processed, through tone of voice or brevity. Once the conversation is then passed on word for word to a third party but with an entirely different vocal inflection it can have varying interpretation. I realise I’m being a bit anal here but it’s quite possibly the case that some comment’s have been taken too literally. A touch of Chinees whispers perhaps?
Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.
We’ve all got to start somewhere , part of the 5 year plan I guess, if he makes things better then I really don’t care, this club has been run into the ground for years and is going to take ages to put processes and building blocks in place, Charlton Athletic is not a quick fix problem unfortunately.
When Airman ‘likes’ that post it scares me , we’ve got another nutbag , let’s hope he’s more useful than that goalkeeping coach from Swindon’s nutsack .
We have "known" that Martin is in charge of recruitment and many of us have raised it as a massive red flag. The proof of the pudding will of course be in the eating (happy with that @Henry Irving) but it is a big concern.
With the back ground of that there is little point employing a "manager", be it Adkins, Taylor, Warburton or Duff.
Whilst I don't buy into the buzz word bingo that is a young, hungry, progressive coach, thatnis exactly what we need, because of the way the club is run.
Mmmmmm……"I have my doubts that Martin is actually “in charge” of recruitment. On paper it may read that way but I don’t buy that.
Why does Thomas keep saying he is?
Well…..I have only seen/heard him described as head of player recruitment analytics, which is a very different thing. Do you know better?
There are dozens of interviews with Thomas saying different. Even one where he talks about Martin getting in the car and going out scouting players.
I have no idea what Martin actually does do but I know what Thomas says, in public, that he does. He says different to what your suggesting.
Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.
But that’s more or less exactly what it is. He’s dad owns the club and Martin has shares. Unless Sandgaard decides to cash out it’s quite possible MS will become the owner. He might anyway. He’s learning the business and good on him for it.
I think you've changed your argument here though. I don't think anybody would have an issue with Martin working around the place and "learning the business". But you've questioned others claiming he doesn't have the expertise for the role he is undertaking, but he doesn't does he. For what it's worth, I don't think that doesn't mean he won't do a good job, just that he's not qualified for it. I think this is another example of double standards, Roland would be crucified for putting his son in a position like this. Martin isn't just doing a little bit of analyst work is he, he's got a huge role to play in all our recruitment.
You are right, Roland would have got a lot of shit for the same thing. But there are huge differences between Sandgaard and Roland that mean they shouldn't be treated the same.
When you look at what Charlton means to them, they are completely different animals. Sandgaard actually cares about charlton, both in terms of it being his passion and how much of his wealth he's tied up in it. To Roland we were just another network link, which he couldn't be bothered to watch and financially it was pocket money to him.
Intention is key when you judge anyone's actions.
Agreed, he does obviously care and there's no doubt he wants to be successful. But I'm sorry, you can make mistakes or bad decisions even with good intentions. Ultimately, Sandgaard will be measured on the clubs success, not on whether he cared or not.
Its a very weird obsession about what MS does or doesnt do. Honestly, it really is.
why is it? I don't mean to be rude but I think that's nonsense. I think it would be unfair to personally attack him, call him useless etc, but I don't think anyone is doing that. But I don't see why we shouldn't debate his role at the club. The fact it he wouldn't get this role at any other club, he's got it because his dad is the owner. We've now got someone very inexperienced and unqualified in a position which massively contributes to how we do on the pitch this season. We all want the best for the club and we all want promotion, debating whether Martin is right to lead on this isn't unfair IMO.
But its the same debate isnt it? TS said this but MS Linkedin says this...I agree that it is a risk but at the same time some people seem so very sure that it will fail regardless.
As the anti-climax fast approaches, long suffering Addicks grasp desperately at straws of hope while knowing instinctively that more heartbreak is in store as manager/coach/black box operator number four of the Sandgaard rock & roll era enters the building with zero evidence to suggest that he will offer any improvement on the previous three.
For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum
And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:
Its a very weird obsession about what MS does or doesnt do. Honestly, it really is.
why is it? I don't mean to be rude but I think that's nonsense. I think it would be unfair to personally attack him, call him useless etc, but I don't think anyone is doing that. But I don't see why we shouldn't debate his role at the club. The fact it he wouldn't get this role at any other club, he's got it because his dad is the owner. We've now got someone very inexperienced and unqualified in a position which massively contributes to how we do on the pitch this season. We all want the best for the club and we all want promotion, debating whether Martin is right to lead on this isn't unfair IMO.
But its the same debate isnt it? TS said this but MS Linkedin says this...I agree that it is a risk but at the same time some people seem so very sure that it will fail regardless.
We just need someone to dig out I think.
I can’t speak for others, but I have no need to dig anyone out and I don’t have an ‘agenda’. I’m just a bit concerned that someone with no experience and unknown aptitude might be playing a significant role at Charlton based on the fact that his dad is the owner.
For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum
And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:
It was Roddy before that was getting pelters now he’s gone, the focus is on Martin Sandgaard. Give it a rest, so boring!
I feel like admin should delete Martin Sandgaard posts or start a separate thread. Come on here to read about what's going on with the new manager hunt and have to go through about 300 posts about what Sandgaard does each day.
I thought this topic was done to death a few months ago. TS stated somewhere that MS identified the players, SG negotiated the transfer fee and contracts and TS signed it off
Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.
But that’s more or less exactly what it is. He’s dad owns the club and Martin has shares. Unless Sandgaard decides to cash out it’s quite possible MS will become the owner. He might anyway. He’s learning the business and good on him for it.
I think you've changed your argument here though. I don't think anybody would have an issue with Martin working around the place and "learning the business". But you've questioned others claiming he doesn't have the expertise for the role he is undertaking, but he doesn't does he. For what it's worth, I don't think that doesn't mean he won't do a good job, just that he's not qualified for it. I think this is another example of double standards, Roland would be crucified for putting his son in a position like this. Martin isn't just doing a little bit of analyst work is he, he's got a huge role to play in all our recruitment.
What do we expect when dad owns the club. Ok son, go and learn the business and get to grips with everything because one day if you want it it’ll be all yours. When you arrive we’ll call you the milk monitor. Don’t get under anyones feet. Or. Ok son, go and learn the business and get to grips with everything because one day if you want it it’ll be all yours. We’ll give you a nice title to frighten a few people and I want you to ruffle a few feathers because this club has been drifting along for too long and needs a kick up the ass and we need to find out exactly who does what, why and why isn’t he doing it better.
Its a very weird obsession about what MS does or doesnt do. Honestly, it really is.
why is it? I don't mean to be rude but I think that's nonsense. I think it would be unfair to personally attack him, call him useless etc, but I don't think anyone is doing that. But I don't see why we shouldn't debate his role at the club. The fact it he wouldn't get this role at any other club, he's got it because his dad is the owner. We've now got someone very inexperienced and unqualified in a position which massively contributes to how we do on the pitch this season. We all want the best for the club and we all want promotion, debating whether Martin is right to lead on this isn't unfair IMO.
But its the same debate isnt it? TS said this but MS Linkedin says this...I agree that it is a risk but at the same time some people seem so very sure that it will fail regardless.
We just need someone to dig out I think.
I can’t speak for others, but I have no need to dig anyone out and I don’t have an ‘agenda’. I’m just a bit concerned that someone with no experience and unknown aptitude might be playing a significant role at Charlton based on the fact that his dad is the owner.
I get the concerns but its the constant going round in circles with the same information. No one on here knows what contribution he will have. It could work and it may not but not sure why it needs to be constantly delved into.
I don’t think Cawley would have tweeted if he was wide of the mark, either TS is lying until it’s official or we have got someone better then Garner which has caused the delay, I don’t really mind either outcome but I expect it to be the first
TS not lying just cooling the talk before it’s signed and sealed … he being honourable to both Swindon and Garner
I am a big supporter of TS and been vocal about it, but if he has outright denied that Garner is our man and he becomes our manager then he has lied whichever way you wanna paint it.
The honourable thing to do would be to stay quiet until things official and not have a jolly chin wag with supporters on social media, no disrespect to the supporters who message him but it’s quite peculiar that he would share our important business like that with fans, as much as I like how vocal he is about us..
If it’s true that he was being bugged on LinkedIn about the appointment then he’d have been better off just not replying.
But he wouldn’t want to confirm the appointment on social media to someone he doesn’t know, so fobbed him off saying interviews were ongoing.
It’s more likely that they’re still negotiating terms I think?
The professional thing to do is not engage in that type of conversation if you’re an owner. Can’t stress I’ve really supported him but if we end up appointing Garner as expected, as Cawley is credible, I will be for the first time slightly concerned about our owner. I really don’t like the way his messages come across. You either tell the truth or don’t reply, simple
Didn't he just say the reports of it being a done deal are incorrect? Saying you are still interviewing is perfectly normal practice until a contract has been signed. I say it myself in the same circumstance because you need to hedge your bets until everything is completed.
Not aiming this at you, but I really wish people would stop looking for conspiracies at every juncture. Some people on this site are really toxic to the club. They revel in it.
I am gonna say this one more time, and genuinely it’s actually quite frustrating now cause I have non stop supported TS.
Read Cawley tweet, read TS linked in dms. Someone has got it wrong, really is that simple
edit: on a read back this seems really aggressive but I just don’t get how the tweet and dm can be interpreted any other way. Cawley has been fed spill, or TS is ‘white lying’ to announce the big occasion himself.
Its a very weird obsession about what MS does or doesnt do. Honestly, it really is.
why is it? I don't mean to be rude but I think that's nonsense. I think it would be unfair to personally attack him, call him useless etc, but I don't think anyone is doing that. But I don't see why we shouldn't debate his role at the club. The fact it he wouldn't get this role at any other club, he's got it because his dad is the owner. We've now got someone very inexperienced and unqualified in a position which massively contributes to how we do on the pitch this season. We all want the best for the club and we all want promotion, debating whether Martin is right to lead on this isn't unfair IMO.
The key point, and main cause of the arguments on here are, and have been for about 6 months is:
We have people saying that Martin is here as Thomas's eyes and ears and is learning the business. Possibly with a view to taking it over in a few years time. I don't think anyone could, or would, have any problem at all if that was the case.
We then have people suggesting that Martin is working on developing and implementing some software to aid recruitment. Again not much anyone can really argue about there, no harming in making suggestions.
Then we have the other extreme, suggestions that Martin picks the players, tries to influence training, tactics and the like. I cant see how anyone can possibly think that's a good idea.
No one, as far as I am aware, has spent any time job shadowing Martin so we don't actually know what he does on a day to day basis. The closest we have to that is what his dad says, on the record. Which paints a very different picture to both the extremes.
If Martin plays little to no roll in the meaningful stuff, Thomas is doing his own son no favours at all in keep suggesting he does. He even credited him with discovering Fraser!!!
Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.
We’ve all got to start somewhere , part of the 5 year plan I guess, if he makes things better then I really don’t care, this club has been run into the ground for years and is going to take ages to put processes and building blocks in place, Charlton Athletic is not a quick fix problem unfortunately.
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I realise I’m being a bit anal here but it’s quite possibly the case that some comment’s have been taken too literally.
A touch of Chinees whispers perhaps?
I have no idea what Martin actually does do but I know what Thomas says, in public, that he does. He says different to what your suggesting.
We just need someone to dig out I think.
As the anti-climax fast approaches, long suffering Addicks grasp desperately at straws of hope while knowing instinctively that more heartbreak is in store as manager/coach/black box operator number four of the Sandgaard rock & roll era enters the building with zero evidence to suggest that he will offer any improvement on the previous three.
Good to confirm that absolutely anyone with half a brain could do these jobs with minimal training.
Same state of play as yesterday:
It like rolling 24 hour news, lots of repeats but suddenly you get breaking news.
Of course Martin Sandgaard shouldn't be the story on this thread and also not on the transfer thread but he is.
edit: on a read back this seems really aggressive but I just don’t get how the tweet and dm can be interpreted any other way. Cawley has been fed spill, or TS is ‘white lying’ to announce the big occasion himself.
We have people saying that Martin is here as Thomas's eyes and ears and is learning the business. Possibly with a view to taking it over in a few years time. I don't think anyone could, or would, have any problem at all if that was the case.
We then have people suggesting that Martin is working on developing and implementing some software to aid recruitment. Again not much anyone can really argue about there, no harming in making suggestions.
Then we have the other extreme, suggestions that Martin picks the players, tries to influence training, tactics and the like. I cant see how anyone can possibly think that's a good idea.
No one, as far as I am aware, has spent any time job shadowing Martin so we don't actually know what he does on a day to day basis. The closest we have to that is what his dad says, on the record. Which paints a very different picture to both the extremes.
If Martin plays little to no roll in the meaningful stuff, Thomas is doing his own son no favours at all in keep suggesting he does. He even credited him with discovering Fraser!!!