For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum
And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:
For added context, and, because "hUr DuR wHy YOu hAtE MaRTiN tHoUGh" (because apparently that's the reason) a look at the job skills requirement for an U23 performance analyst at Man city (yes I know city are at the elite end of the footballing spectrum
And a job description for a recruitment analyst at spurs:
Wow, skipped a bundle of pages after seeing there were 268 new posts since last night, and the last page is full of people squabbling about whether or not martin sandgaard is qualified to do whatever his dad asked him to. can't be bothered to go back through the other pages to follow more of the same, but it's really irrelevant to who the new manager is, or whether hs will be backed in the summer.
The truth and nothing but the truth: Is it Ray the sausage dog v Thomas Sandgaard; Cawley going with the big Sausage Man?
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and here I'm stuck in the middle with you.
Announce Garner so we can all settle down. Big Ronnie Dangerfield will sort out the minutiae and we can move on to players recruitment when ever they can put pen to paper.
Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.
I'd welcome Powell back as a coach Director of football. It would also be MASSIVE kudos points for TS
Why would he leave Spurs and England where he’s is in a comfortable position!
Is he as comfortable as he would be being a deity at Charlton
The "deity" who is the subject of a huge thread on here called "Powell's football is terrible"? That deity? If this forum had a decent search engine and I had nothing better to do, I'd dig it out, and find your own contributions to it...
Which is why I SPECIFICALLY said as director of Football. Not manager.
There can be no doubt whatsoever about his contacts, networking and people skills and they would all be of use in a D of F role.
save your energy and time trying to prove something irrelevant to this particular situation.
Ok fair enough. I didnt pick that up, sorry for that.
Unfortunately since we never had a DoF, I’d expect that when the results fail to come through as expected, people will turn on him. Recall how people started having a pop at Mervyn Day when we were in the FAPL, without any clear idea of what he might have done wrong. My main point is that fans are fickle and short-term, and unfortunately social media amplifies the effect, so that the victims hear the words more than in the past. SCP wont have forgotten that thread, so I think he’d piss himself at the idea that coming back as DoF would lead to “deity”.
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
MS certainly tried at least once last season.
This needs context.
If he was at the training ground and saw a lacklustre group of players who were not putting a shift in then he’s more than got a right to ask for more surely?
If he was there to effectively ask JJ to try something different in training then that wouldn’t be on.
Context please.
What right does he have to involve himself on training effort, or lack of? He’s an analyst, not his remit
He’s barely an analyst. He’s only an analyst because daddy said so. I manage a team of data analysts. He wouldn’t even get an interview anywhere else.
You know this how ?
Presumably his LinkedIn profile.
He might say he used data in his last role but he’s never had a pure analytics position.
I cannot believe we’re legitimately arguing over whether this is a person qualified to not just be a data analyst, but to lead data analysis at a professional football club. I wouldn’t even give him an entry level job.
For some context, the entry level data analysts on my team have published work, PhDs, skills across multiple platforms and coding languages. Minimum.
Just out of interest, what management qualifications do you have?
Cawley has been clearly told a deal has been agreed, but that's if Charlton go down the Garner route.. I think TS wants 2 or 3 options agreed before picking.. Clearly that could piss people off!
I think we will hear a lot more today, potenially announcement, if not early next week! That's my hunch!
It would be amusing if Garner told us to stuff it .
I suppose it would be amusing if you hated the club.
Hello people from page 152. If you're feeling lost, and I'm doing this for free, no, we still don't have a manager, some lad on Twitter doing an impression of Ray Winstone reckons Albie Morgan told him Chris Powell is coming back and The Red Robin doesn't want to employ Martin Sandgaard at his place of work. In case you're wondering, if you don't have a PhD he doesn't want to know, so don't go thinking there's an opening there. Also Manchester City can't spell.
He is qualified, as he represents the owner, his father in a family business. Who better to keep an eye on things whilst gathering knowledge regarding the company from others, I/e Gallen. Now let’s get on with talking about MANAGERS!!!!
Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.
But that’s more or less exactly what it is. He’s dad owns the club and Martin has shares. Unless Sandgaard decides to cash out it’s quite possible MS will become the owner. He might anyway. He’s learning the business and good on him for it.
Bizarre as it may seem, I actually agree with most of this!!🤣 however Stanley wouldn’t have been able to rely on Google back then!!, so maybe it was an easier job.all joking apart the human ability to make good decisions aswell as bad shouldn’t be underestimated, maybe the reliance on computers can be a hindrance .🤷🏻♂️🙄
This is such a fascinating thread. I reckon myself that if my sons or daughters were football mad and loved the detail and I was minted enough to buy and bankroll the club I would actually behave in the same way as the Sandgaard's to some degree. The only difference I would certainly not talk direct online to knobs like me.
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
MS certainly tried at least once last season.
This needs context.
If he was at the training ground and saw a lacklustre group of players who were not putting a shift in then he’s more than got a right to ask for more surely?
If he was there to effectively ask JJ to try something different in training then that wouldn’t be on.
Context please.
Is he right to question training at all if he’s just turned up without a clue what the coaches and staff have asked the players to do that day or how close to a previous or upcoming game it is? Martin Sandgaard is nowhere near qualified to even be near a first team coaching session, let alone questioning experienced and qualified coaches.
Or he might simply have been there learning and seeing more of what goes on at professional football club on a day to day basis. Getting a flavour of what goes on at the training ground the vibe, dressing room banter maybe, just the feel of the place. If I was in his position I would most certainly want to know more about everything that goes on at the club (within reason), including attending some training sessions and the day to day running of Sparrows Lane. Just another way of looking at it, which excludes any conspiracy theories. He has every right to be there as long as he doesn’t interfere, which I can only assume he hasn’t.
I haven't got an issue with the owner suggesting the style of football he wants to see us play and promising to back the manager in getting the players needed to achieve it. It becomes more worrying when it gets like Roland explaining football tactics to a manager who is an ex England international. If Sandgaard thinks he has discovered the secret of success in terms of a playing style it is worrying in the extreme. There are many different paths but his backing is needed. With limited resources the approach has to always be a pragmatic one based on what you have and how your best players play.
The problem is, I don't know which of these is correct and I doubt many of us do. There are lingering doubts about Sandgaard based on genuine clues. I would say not yet definitive but that in itself is worrying. And we should be open to this possibility.
I agree with this. The turning point for me would be if Sandgaard is issuing Roland-esque emails or trying to dictate how training sessions should go.
Currently I have no reason to think that this is the case and if anyone knows differently then they should be making it public very very quickly. Until then we have to accept that there is nothing wrong with an owner wanting a certain type of football and finding the staff to implement it.
MS certainly tried at least once last season.
This needs context.
If he was at the training ground and saw a lacklustre group of players who were not putting a shift in then he’s more than got a right to ask for more surely?
If he was there to effectively ask JJ to try something different in training then that wouldn’t be on.
Context please.
Is he right to question training at all if he’s just turned up without a clue what the coaches and staff have asked the players to do that day or how close to a previous or upcoming game it is? Martin Sandgaard is nowhere near qualified to even be near a first team coaching session, let alone questioning experienced and qualified coaches.
Or he might simply have been there learning and seeing more of what goes on at professional football club on a day to day basis. Getting a flavour of what goes on at the training ground the vibe, dressing room banter maybe, just the feel of the place. If I was in his position I would most certainly want to know more about everything that goes on at the club (within reason), including attending some training sessions and the day to day running of Sparrows Lane. Just another way of looking at it, which excludes any conspiracy theories. He has every right to be there as long as he doesn’t interfere, which I can only assume he hasn’t.
The entire point and discussion is that that’s exactly what he tried to do.
Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.
But that’s more or less exactly what it is. He’s dad owns the club and Martin has shares. Unless Sandgaard decides to cash out it’s quite possible MS will become the owner. He might anyway. He’s learning the business and good on him for it.
I think you've changed your argument here though. I don't think anybody would have an issue with Martin working around the place and "learning the business". But you've questioned others claiming he doesn't have the expertise for the role he is undertaking, but he doesn't does he. For what it's worth, I don't think that doesn't mean he won't do a good job, just that he's not qualified for it. I think this is another example of double standards, Roland would be crucified for putting his son in a position like this. Martin isn't just doing a little bit of analyst work is he, he's got a huge role to play in all our recruitment.
When Airman ‘likes’ that post it scares me , we’ve got another nutbag , let’s hope he’s more useful than that goalkeeping coach from Swindon’s nutsack .
We have "known" that Martin is in charge of recruitment and many of us have raised it as a massive red flag. The proof of the pudding will of course be in the eating (happy with that @Henry Irving) but it is a big concern.
With the back ground of that there is little point employing a "manager", be it Adkins, Taylor, Warburton or Duff.
Whilst I don't buy into the buzz word bingo that is a young, hungry, progressive coach, thatnis exactly what we need, because of the way the club is run.
Mmmmmm……"I have my doubts that Martin is actually “in charge” of recruitment. On paper it may read that way but I don’t buy that.
Why does Thomas keep saying he is?
Well…..I have only seen/heard him described as head of player recruitment analytics, which is a very different thing. Do you know better?
When Airman ‘likes’ that post it scares me , we’ve got another nutbag , let’s hope he’s more useful than that goalkeeping coach from Swindon’s nutsack .
We have "known" that Martin is in charge of recruitment and many of us have raised it as a massive red flag. The proof of the pudding will of course be in the eating (happy with that @Henry Irving) but it is a big concern.
With the back ground of that there is little point employing a "manager", be it Adkins, Taylor, Warburton or Duff.
Whilst I don't buy into the buzz word bingo that is a young, hungry, progressive coach, thatnis exactly what we need, because of the way the club is run.
Mmmmmm……"I have my doubts that Martin is actually “in charge” of recruitment. On paper it may read that way but I don’t buy that.
Why does Thomas keep saying he is?
Well…..I have only seen/heard him described as head of player recruitment analytics, which is a very different thing. Do you know better?
Sandgaard has pretty much said so, yes. He's the head of the analytics, then does the scouting with Steve Gallen (who is the primary negotiator). If Martin isn't in charge of the recruitment, who is?
Martin Sandgaard just isn't qualified to work for Charlton Athletic and I am baffled that anybody would think he is.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.
But that’s more or less exactly what it is. He’s dad owns the club and Martin has shares. Unless Sandgaard decides to cash out it’s quite possible MS will become the owner. He might anyway. He’s learning the business and good on him for it.
I think you've changed your argument here though. I don't think anybody would have an issue with Martin working around the place and "learning the business". But you've questioned others claiming he doesn't have the expertise for the role he is undertaking, but he doesn't does he. For what it's worth, I don't think that doesn't mean he won't do a good job, just that he's not qualified for it. I think this is another example of double standards, Roland would be crucified for putting his son in a position like this. Martin isn't just doing a little bit of analyst work is he, he's got a huge role to play in all our recruitment.
You are right, Roland would have got a lot of shit for the same thing. But there are huge differences between Sandgaard and Roland that mean they shouldn't be treated the same.
When you look at what Charlton means to them, they are completely different animals. Sandgaard actually cares about charlton, both in terms of it being his passion and how much of his wealth he's tied up in it. To Roland we were just another network link, which he couldn't be bothered to watch and financially it was pocket money to him.
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You don't need a phd to be able to know sql/excel/python/r ect.
Manor.
Later the advertisement demands ‘attention to detail’.
For all their money this is incontrovertible proof that Manchester City are rubbish.
The truth and nothing but the truth:
Is it Ray the sausage dog v Thomas Sandgaard; Cawley going with the big Sausage Man?
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and here I'm stuck in the middle with you.
Announce Garner so we can all settle down.
Big Ronnie Dangerfield will sort out the minutiae and we can move on to players recruitment when ever they can put pen to paper.
For what it's worth a mate of mine works for the club and says Martin is actually a really nice guy but gives the vibe of a kid on work experience and is way out of his depth.
edit: I’m not saying that’s essential (although it is for some roles we have), but that’s the level of data analyst that some organisations employ.
Getting a flavour of what goes on at the training ground the vibe, dressing room banter maybe, just the feel of the place.
If I was in his position I would most certainly want to know more about everything that goes on at the club (within reason), including attending some training sessions and the day to day running of Sparrows Lane.
Just another way of looking at it, which excludes any conspiracy theories.
He has every right to be there as long as he doesn’t interfere, which I can only assume he hasn’t.
Do you know better?
When you look at what Charlton means to them, they are completely different animals. Sandgaard actually cares about charlton, both in terms of it being his passion and how much of his wealth he's tied up in it.
To Roland we were just another network link, which he couldn't be bothered to watch and financially it was pocket money to him.
Intention is key when you judge anyone's actions.