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I doubt a sale would be sanctioned by TS until he has a manager in place.Mendonca In Asdas said:.0 -
The Stockley rumour is from one of those shit Facebook pages where they suggest what could happen.
”Sheff Wed failed to get him last year but might try again”
people read it and spread it as though it’s gospel. Already seen 3 other people with varying levels of certainty saying “it’s possible” or “it’s happening” so how long before we see “he was rubbish anyway - bring back Bonne”
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If none of the potential new managers are prepared to accept the conditions set out by Sandgaard then it will go to Euell.Cafc43v3r said:
Hopefully it won't happen.0 -
Except we were in the relegation zone when Jackson took over.Dave Rudd said:
I don't want to labour this ... and I'll defer to your superior knowledge here (and @Airman Brown and others seem equally confident), but there's something not quite right here.swordfish said:
The performance clause only determined the scale of his pay off - Sacked part way through an 18 month contract I believe. Is that so unusual?Callumcafc said:
Unfortunately it’s the perfect storm and Thomas is already getting himself a reputation around football circles.golfaddick said:
Powell got a raw deal from RD regarding player recruitment and team selection. I think he's smart enough to realise that TS is even worse when it comes to this.RedRobin said:A couple of posters on ITTV seem to think Chris Powell was interviewed recently. Could it be?? I’m not sure he’d give up what he has with Spurs and England unless he’s desperate to get back into management.
I firmly believe that we dont yet have a manager because no young up & coming manager is prepared to join knowing that they have no say in player recruitment & that their contract will be based on performances from a team not of their choosing.
Not only have we been turned down by Beale it wouldn't surprise me if it's been a NO from Taylor too. And we were told the other day that Garner ain't too happy with the contract either.
There are plenty of clubs in the pyramid that now handle their recruitment independently of the manager. It’s the ‘head coach’ model that traditionalists don’t like but can absolutely be successful if done right.
I don’t think that’s the reason we are still waiting for an announcement on a new manager.
I tend to believe that it comes from the supposed performance related break clause that Thomas apparently insists on including. That, together with having little to no input on the players signed, would be a deal breaker for many managers and head coaches alike.
Add in the fact that such a clause was used to dispose of the previous bloke after he guided the club from 23rd to 13th and I can see why anyone would be hesitant to take the job.
Some posters are assuming interviewees have turned us down, but Beale opted to join a Championship club and Garner, who's used to being in the hot seat and might have interviewed better, has been offered it, so we're reliably informed. He hasn't turned us down yet has he?
Others might not have been offered it or no decision on them has been made yet. We may never find out.
How do you word a contract to say ... OK, in the event that you need to be sacked, here's the sliding scale of compensation based on (eg) final League position.
What's the trigger for getting sacked? Final league position?
In which case, the performance-related aspect (final league position?) is a lot more significant than just the payout.
We finished 13th. I can't imagine the original 18-month contract reflected that as being acceptable.2 -
All of the above season finished after ours.Cafc43v3r said:
Blackburn, Burnley and Barnsley haven't got one yet have they? QPR only announced theirs yesterday.J BLOCK said:
This. After all the hoo haa about us starting fast this summer and learning the lessons, we have failed at the first hurdle.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Amazed how this is dragging on. We're a L1 club that seems paralyzed at present - losing faith in TS.
It doesn't take a competent owner 4 weeks to appoint a new manager in the off season.
Watford moved quickly but they are very well practiced.
Maybe they are being announced in reverse alphabetical order and we are next 😉0 -
And knew they didn't have a manager before us, none of them sacked their manager after the season ended did they.LargeAddick said:
All of the above season finished after ours.Cafc43v3r said:
Blackburn, Burnley and Barnsley haven't got one yet have they? QPR only announced theirs yesterday.J BLOCK said:
This. After all the hoo haa about us starting fast this summer and learning the lessons, we have failed at the first hurdle.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Amazed how this is dragging on. We're a L1 club that seems paralyzed at present - losing faith in TS.
It doesn't take a competent owner 4 weeks to appoint a new manager in the off season.
Watford moved quickly but they are very well practiced.
Maybe they are being announced in reverse alphabetical order and we are next 😉0 -
But would Euell accept the T&Cs on offer?blackpool72 said:
If none of the potential new managers are prepared to accept the conditions set out by Sandgaard then it will go to Euell.Cafc43v3r said:
Hopefully it won't happen.
If he is seeking a route into management, he may be better off with a first appointment in a lower league, which arguably, might have been a better course of action for Jackson.
Personally I think Charlton is too far down in the 'too difficult' box for a rookie manager to be successful for the many reasons posted over CL.1 -
Bit more than that.Swisdom said:The Stockley rumour is from one of those shit Facebook pages where they suggest what could happen.
”Sheff Wed failed to get him last year but might try again”
people read it and spread it as though it’s gospel. Already seen 3 other people with varying levels of certainty saying “it’s possible” or “it’s happening” so how long before we see “he was rubbish anyway - bring back Bonne”
all a load of poppycock
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-consider-move-for-big-striker-as-charlton-athletic-star-re-joins-wanted-list-3717772
SLP have even reported it, though not under Cawley’s name.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sheffield-wednesday-reportedly-weighing-up-fresh-attempt-to-sign-charlton-striker-jayden-stockley/
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we are lower league. I hope he does not appoint from within, but it feels like that is the way it is going.RickAddick said:
But would Euell accept the T&Cs on offer?blackpool72 said:
If none of the potential new managers are prepared to accept the conditions set out by Sandgaard then it will go to Euell.Cafc43v3r said:
Hopefully it won't happen.
If he is seeking a route into management, he may be better off with a first appointment in a lower league, which arguably, might have been a better course of action for Jackson.
Personally I think Charlton is too far down in the 'too difficult' box for a rookie manager to be successful for the many reasons posted over CL.2 -
I'm one of those seemingly derided posters on here that does try to defend him. Not saying mistakes havent been made like the late recruitment last year but 99% of the stuff he is getting stick for is imo unjust. He has loads of credit for me.FAVADDICK said:Would love to know why certain people on here dont criticise anything sandgaard does, what has he done that is so amazing In your eyes ??
He took on the crooks and without doubt saved the club when nobody else was going to. He has spent more money since he has been here than most previous owners. He is having to sort out the shit show that we had become behind the scenes. All the shit about JJ is just stupid, we were going nowhere with him at the helm that was plain to see. We have released the players that nearly everyone on here wanted to see go. The window isnt open yet and everyone is panicking that we havent signed a new squad yet. The new manager has been announced yet but at the moment what do we need one officially in place for ? We have no idea the new manager might be working behind the scenes at the moment. Tbh it is totally ridiculous that someone posts a theory somewhere and before we know it that is now a fact. Take a bit of time to reflect and think about all these so called facts and see how they became so, 99% of them are totally baseless. Then you have one of the resident nutters hand delivering letters to the EFL 😂😂😂 just embarrassing!!!
Too many people seem to miss the days of the inflatable pigs etc and wont be happy unless they return. As I have said before I prefer to see what happens in terms of recruitment and then judge rather than listen to facts based on nothing.
If it turns out a shitshow then fair enough I like many others will vote with their feet, attendances will fall and TS ain't going to have that. What is correct is that he is a salesman and he fully understands I'm sure that to be able to sell a product it has to be something people want ! A shit team playing boring football does not sell tickets or attract commercial revenue19 - Sponsored links:
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If there is a profit I would sell him. To one dimensional imoMendonca In Asdas said:I hope it’s a load of old tosh, so don’t shoot the messenger, but my son reckons he’s heard Chef Wednesday are after Stockley 🙄8 -
If we sell our top scorer to a promotion rival then this forum will explode.Scoham said:
Bit more than that.Swisdom said:The Stockley rumour is from one of those shit Facebook pages where they suggest what could happen.
”Sheff Wed failed to get him last year but might try again”
people read it and spread it as though it’s gospel. Already seen 3 other people with varying levels of certainty saying “it’s possible” or “it’s happening” so how long before we see “he was rubbish anyway - bring back Bonne”
all a load of poppycock
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-consider-move-for-big-striker-as-charlton-athletic-star-re-joins-wanted-list-3717772
SLP have even reported it, though not under Cawley’s name.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sheffield-wednesday-reportedly-weighing-up-fresh-attempt-to-sign-charlton-striker-jayden-stockley/1 -
So is it the case that we're still manager-less because of the terms being offered?
Genuine question as not seen it come from any reliable sources, but seen it mentioned on here a couple of times0 -
Strangely, most on here think we can do better than Stockley!Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If we sell our top scorer to a promotion rival then this forum will explode.Scoham said:
Bit more than that.Swisdom said:The Stockley rumour is from one of those shit Facebook pages where they suggest what could happen.
”Sheff Wed failed to get him last year but might try again”
people read it and spread it as though it’s gospel. Already seen 3 other people with varying levels of certainty saying “it’s possible” or “it’s happening” so how long before we see “he was rubbish anyway - bring back Bonne”
all a load of poppycock
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-consider-move-for-big-striker-as-charlton-athletic-star-re-joins-wanted-list-3717772
SLP have even reported it, though not under Cawley’s name.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sheffield-wednesday-reportedly-weighing-up-fresh-attempt-to-sign-charlton-striker-jayden-stockley/2 -
Seems like it mate.Gribbo said:So is it the case that we're still manager-less because of the terms being offered?
Genuine question as not seen it come from any reliable sources, but seen it mentioned on here a couple of times
Someone on here raised it as a possibility, some people read the post, repeated it as fact so now it must be true 🙄🙄4 -
We can certainly do different, not necessarily better.mendonca said:
Strangely, most on here think we can do better than Stockley!Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If we sell our top scorer to a promotion rival then this forum will explode.Scoham said:
Bit more than that.Swisdom said:The Stockley rumour is from one of those shit Facebook pages where they suggest what could happen.
”Sheff Wed failed to get him last year but might try again”
people read it and spread it as though it’s gospel. Already seen 3 other people with varying levels of certainty saying “it’s possible” or “it’s happening” so how long before we see “he was rubbish anyway - bring back Bonne”
all a load of poppycock
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-consider-move-for-big-striker-as-charlton-athletic-star-re-joins-wanted-list-3717772
SLP have even reported it, though not under Cawley’s name.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sheffield-wednesday-reportedly-weighing-up-fresh-attempt-to-sign-charlton-striker-jayden-stockley/2 -
Why would Stockley go I wonder, then I remember what happened to his good mate Conor Washington. Could easily have unsettled him.5
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Sandgaard had to try to untangle the Gordian Knot of ‘ownership’ that was strangling the club to death.
He may have got some things wrong, and some unsatisfactory outcomes, but as far as I can tell with Southall et al we would be in the same place as Bury right now.
Was there a clamour of people scrambling to save the club when Sandgaard showed up?11 -
Loads apparently Sethseth plum said:Sandgaard had to try to untangle the Gordian Knot of ‘ownership’ that was strangling the club to death.
He may have got some things wrong, and some unsatisfactory outcomes, but as far as I can tell with Southall et al we would be in the same place as Bury right now.
Was there a clamour of people scrambling to save the club when Sandgaard showed up?3 -
Do you know that they are good mates?Weegie Addick said:Why would Stockley go I wonder, then I remember what happened to his good mate Conor Washington. Could easily have unsettled him.
It was only about a week ago everyone was suggesting bffs Euell, Washington and Perace would join Jackson at Wimbledon. If everyone in the dressing room were best mates we wouldn't have seen half the nonsense we have over the last two years.0 - Sponsored links:
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Yeah. He’s a very good League 1 striker but is he a promotion winning 433 striker? Probably not.Cafc43v3r said:
We can certainly do different, not necessarily better.mendonca said:
Strangely, most on here think we can do better than Stockley!Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If we sell our top scorer to a promotion rival then this forum will explode.Scoham said:
Bit more than that.Swisdom said:The Stockley rumour is from one of those shit Facebook pages where they suggest what could happen.
”Sheff Wed failed to get him last year but might try again”
people read it and spread it as though it’s gospel. Already seen 3 other people with varying levels of certainty saying “it’s possible” or “it’s happening” so how long before we see “he was rubbish anyway - bring back Bonne”
all a load of poppycock
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-consider-move-for-big-striker-as-charlton-athletic-star-re-joins-wanted-list-3717772
SLP have even reported it, though not under Cawley’s name.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sheffield-wednesday-reportedly-weighing-up-fresh-attempt-to-sign-charlton-striker-jayden-stockley/1 -
Do you expect us to sign a striker that is?cafcfan1990 said:
Yeah. He’s a very good League 1 striker but is he a promotion winning 433 striker? Probably not.Cafc43v3r said:
We can certainly do different, not necessarily better.mendonca said:
Strangely, most on here think we can do better than Stockley!Chris_from_Sidcup said:
If we sell our top scorer to a promotion rival then this forum will explode.Scoham said:
Bit more than that.Swisdom said:The Stockley rumour is from one of those shit Facebook pages where they suggest what could happen.
”Sheff Wed failed to get him last year but might try again”
people read it and spread it as though it’s gospel. Already seen 3 other people with varying levels of certainty saying “it’s possible” or “it’s happening” so how long before we see “he was rubbish anyway - bring back Bonne”
all a load of poppycock
https://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/sheffield-wednesday-consider-move-for-big-striker-as-charlton-athletic-star-re-joins-wanted-list-3717772
SLP have even reported it, though not under Cawley’s name.
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/sheffield-wednesday-reportedly-weighing-up-fresh-attempt-to-sign-charlton-striker-jayden-stockley/2 -
Wrong thread for stockley speculation0
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I like this policy of letting more of our players leave or line up deals, while we are manager-less.
When the new man or woman finally takes up the reins he/she won't be burdened with the baggage of a first team squad.
Makes perfect sense.
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IF and its an IF we are going for the Swindon guy - could it be that he has already said how he does and doesn't want to play? Maybe he want's 3 more mobile strikers as opposed to a big guy / little guy combo
Similarly what if we were keen on Cole Stockton instead? Too similar to Stockley but maybe as suitable replacement?
We just don't know but as far as I am aware Jayden is going nowhere?
Thomas arrives over the weekend and is at The Valley/Sparrows Lane from Monday. This much I know so I expect things to start moving forwards next week and some of the idle tuittle tattle can be replaced with slightly more information rather than rumours. Maybe6 -
Was actually in Charlton Aldi and Home Bargains when this was posted. Living the Bank Holiday dream!Gribbo said:
C'mon guys, AFKA in Lidl getting some more bunting for Chateau AFKA.eastterrace6168 said:May I suggest, it is a bank holiday weekend, as we all know nothing will happen until Monday at the latest...maybe!!.
Might be an idea @AFKABartram if we close this thread till then, or earlier if anything ACTUALLY HAPPENS..
..if for nothing else, to save any sanity we all have left going round and round, and swaying off topic on occasion..do I need to duck..only a suggestion.. 
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FFS!!!!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Amazed how this is dragging on. We're a L1 club that seems paralyzed at present - losing faith in TS.3 -
Get it right then great, no problem if we move to a high pressing possession style that wins games. Probably need to sell more of the current squad and replace them to do it successfully. Sounds good in theory I’m just not confident we’d pull it off.Swisdom said:IF and its an IF we are going for the Swindon guy - could it be that he has already said how he does and doesn't want to play? Maybe he want's 3 more mobile strikers as opposed to a big guy / little guy combo
Similarly what if we were keen on Cole Stockton instead? Too similar to Stockley but maybe as suitable replacement?
We just don't know but as far as I am aware Jayden is going nowhere?
Thomas arrives over the weekend and is at The Valley/Sparrows Lane from Monday. This much I know so I expect things to start moving forwards next week and some of the idle tuittle tattle can be replaced with slightly more information rather than rumours. Maybe3 -
Bumped into Thomas in Primark, he said he was going to announce a manager today but thought best to hold off out of respect for Her Majesty. We shook hands and sang two verses of God Save The Queen, which everyone in Primark stopped in their tracks and joined in. Was quite moving tbh and goes better with the electric guitar than I realised.44
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Can I read into this that the next manager will have previously managed at Primark?AFKABartram said:Bumped into Thomas in Primark, he said he was going to announce a manager today but thought best to hold off out of respect for Her Majesty. We shook hands and sang two verses of God Save The Queen, which everyone in Primark stopped in their tracks and joined in. Was quite moving tbh and goes better with the electric guitar than I realised.
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