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  • I think everyone needs to cut TS some slack.

    We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks. 

    Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t. 

    For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.

    He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.

    Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham! 
    It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.

    Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
    But was had he done so badly in the last two years, when you consider how shit we were for the 13 years beforehand. 

    He doesn’t have a magic wand! 

    I can’t deal with this attitude anymore. Easy to slag someone off when it’s not your money that you’re having to pump in season after season.

    Let’s list out his mistakes…

    1) He’s made some bold claims which he shouldn’t have done

    2) He underestimated the league and we were slow out of the blocks last season

    3) No one should play the guitar on the pitch 

    What else? 
    What?????? We are more shit now than at any point in the last 13 years.

    A period that included signings such as Cullen, Bielik, Gudmundsson, Buyens, Bulot, Texeira, Taylor, Bauer etc.

    Championship football (even under the owner we had). Play off promotions.


  • supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    Despite what his LinkedIn says he was only officially appointed Director of Analysis in December 2021. We know he 

    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard

    He’s been based on London since Adkins was sacked.

    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/martin-sandgaard-to-stay-in-uk-with-his-focus-purely-on-football-side-of-charlton-athletic/
  • Scoham said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    Despite what his LinkedIn says he was only officially appointed Director of Analysis in December 2021. We know he 

    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard

    He’s been based on London since Adkins was sacked.

    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/martin-sandgaard-to-stay-in-uk-with-his-focus-purely-on-football-side-of-charlton-athletic/
    He was definitely involved last summer, all be it informally.  Well as informal as you can be being the son of the owner.
  • edited June 2022
    Scoham said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    Despite what his LinkedIn says he was only officially appointed Director of Analysis in December 2021. We know he 

    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard

    He’s been based on London since Adkins was sacked.

    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/martin-sandgaard-to-stay-in-uk-with-his-focus-purely-on-football-side-of-charlton-athletic/
    You mean he has lied on his Linked In as well.  Or did TS only make an official announcement when somebody was going to let it be known first?

    Genuinely interested.  But lying on linked in when all you've ever done is work for Daddy......
  • I think everyone needs to cut TS some slack.

    We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks. 

    Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t. 

    For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.

    He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.

    Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham! 
    It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.

    Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
    But was had he done so badly in the last two years, when you consider how shit we were for the 13 years beforehand. 

    He doesn’t have a magic wand! 

    I can’t deal with this attitude anymore. Easy to slag someone off when it’s not your money that you’re having to pump in season after season.

    Let’s list out his mistakes…

    1) He’s made some bold claims which he shouldn’t have done

    2) He underestimated the league and we were slow out of the blocks last season

    3) No one should play the guitar on the pitch 

    What else? 
    What?????? We are more shit now than at any point in the last 13 years.

    A period that included signings such as Cullen, Bielik, Gudmundsson, Buyens, Bulot, Texeira, Taylor, Bauer etc.

    Championship football (even under the owner we had). Play off promotions.


    I agree last year was awful, but that follows 13 years of being shit, but he’s not a magician or a billionaire owner, so it’s going to take time.

    Please as I’m really interested in your opinion, what mistakes do you think he has made (on top of those I’ve already listed)? 
  • I think everyone needs to cut TS some slack.

    We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks. 

    Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t. 

    For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.

    He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.

    Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham! 
    It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.

    Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
    But was had he done so badly in the last two years, when you consider how shit we were for the 13 years beforehand. 

    He doesn’t have a magic wand! 

    I can’t deal with this attitude anymore. Easy to slag someone off when it’s not your money that you’re having to pump in season after season.

    Let’s list out his mistakes…

    1) He’s made some bold claims which he shouldn’t have done

    2) He underestimated the league and we were slow out of the blocks last season

    3) No one should play the guitar on the pitch 

    What else? 
    Oh come on mate we all know he was 100% responsible for everything shite. Jj would have been great if he was allowed to pick the team and formation, everyone knows TS & MS are picking the team, deciding what hot dogs are on sale, intact every single thing is decided purely by those two because they are both devils children 🙄🙄🙄🙄
  • paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    So he is the reason for Jackson and the players being shit? 
    Well part of the problem is that we have not recruited very well which no doubt made things harder for Jackson regardless of other failings.

    He is PART of the system that has failed. So while it's not fair to say he is the whole and entire reason for a poor season he very much is PART of the reason.
  • supaclive said:
    Scoham said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    Despite what his LinkedIn says he was only officially appointed Director of Analysis in December 2021. We know he 

    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard

    He’s been based on London since Adkins was sacked.

    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/martin-sandgaard-to-stay-in-uk-with-his-focus-purely-on-football-side-of-charlton-athletic/
    You mean he has lied on his Linked In as well.  Or did TS only make an official announcement when somebody was going to let it be known first?

    Genuinely interested.  But lying on linked in when all you've ever done is work for Daddy......
    Wouldn’t call it lying, it’s not uncommon for some people to not show every job title separately and instead display their current/final title at each company they’ve worked for.
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  • Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    Despite what his LinkedIn says he was only officially appointed Director of Analysis in December 2021. We know he 

    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard

    He’s been based on London since Adkins was sacked.

    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/martin-sandgaard-to-stay-in-uk-with-his-focus-purely-on-football-side-of-charlton-athletic/
    He was definitely involved last summer, all be it informally.  Well as informal as you can be being the son of the owner.
    Agree it’s clear he’s become more involved over time.
  • edited June 2022
    I think everyone needs to cut TS some slack.

    We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks. 

    Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t. 

    For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.

    He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.

    Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham! 
    It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.

    Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
    But was had he done so badly in the last two years, when you consider how shit we were for the 13 years beforehand. 

    He doesn’t have a magic wand! 

    I can’t deal with this attitude anymore. Easy to slag someone off when it’s not your money that you’re having to pump in season after season.

    Let’s list out his mistakes…

    1) He’s made some bold claims which he shouldn’t have done

    2) He underestimated the league and we were slow out of the blocks last season

    3) No one should play the guitar on the pitch 

    What else? 
    What?????? We are more shit now than at any point in the last 13 years.

    A period that included signings such as Cullen, Bielik, Gudmundsson, Buyens, Bulot, Texeira, Taylor, Bauer etc.

    Championship football (even under the owner we had). Play off promotions.


    I think and hope he was refering to the ownership of the club and how it was run..maybe!!..
  • edited June 2022
    thenewbie said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    So he is the reason for Jackson and the players being shit? 
    Well part of the problem is that we have not recruited very well which no doubt made things harder for Jackson regardless of other failings.

    He is PART of the system that has failed. So while it's not fair to say he is the whole and entire reason for a poor season he very much is PART of the reason.
    Wasn’t a problem when Jackson was caretaker, and don’t give me the we didn’t have strikers for however long, because the missed hatfuls when they played aswell. If Jackson had continued how he began , nobody would be questioning what MS was doing.
  • Scoham said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Scoham said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    Despite what his LinkedIn says he was only officially appointed Director of Analysis in December 2021. We know he 

    https://www.cafc.co.uk/news/view/61c596681c4de/update-on-roles-of-steve-gallen-and-martin-sandgaard

    He’s been based on London since Adkins was sacked.

    https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/martin-sandgaard-to-stay-in-uk-with-his-focus-purely-on-football-side-of-charlton-athletic/
    He was definitely involved last summer, all be it informally.  Well as informal as you can be being the son of the owner.
    Agree it’s clear he’s become more involved over time.
    He's been doing it unofficially ever since TS bought Charlton......
  • edited June 2022

    From a journo in Swindon
  • So TS has made some mistakes, let's hope if any of you lot make a few mistakes in your job, you aren't thought of like this, your probably get fired 

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  • edited June 2022
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    thenewbie said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    So he is the reason for Jackson and the players being shit? 
    Well part of the problem is that we have not recruited very well which no doubt made things harder for Jackson regardless of other failings.

    He is PART of the system that has failed. So while it's not fair to say he is the whole and entire reason for a poor season he very much is PART of the reason.
    Wasn’t a problem when Jackson was caretaker, and don’t give me the we didn’t have strikers for however long, because the missed hatfuls when they played aswell. If Jackson had continued how he began , nobody would be questioning what MS was doing.
    Check JJs record when CW and JS were fit to play together......
    Stop talking bollox.
    Have you checked it?

    "Jackson has also continually emphasised the fact that when both Jayden Stockley and Conor Washington have started together, he has never lost."
  • paulfox said:
    thenewbie said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    supaclive said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
    Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
    YES!


    So he is the reason for Jackson and the players being shit? 
    Well part of the problem is that we have not recruited very well which no doubt made things harder for Jackson regardless of other failings.

    He is PART of the system that has failed. So while it's not fair to say he is the whole and entire reason for a poor season he very much is PART of the reason.
    Wasn’t a problem when Jackson was caretaker, and don’t give me the we didn’t have strikers for however long, because the missed hatfuls when they played aswell. If Jackson had continued how he began , nobody would be questioning what MS was doing.
    It wasn't but the reason Jackson was the caretaker in the first place was, mainly, because of the summer recruitment.

    The fact that Martin was involved in that and is now more involved doesn't fill me with any confidence at all.

    If you think Martin has the back ground and experience to play such a crucial role can you tell me why?  Because I am not the only one.
  • supaclive said:
    seth plum said:
    If people at the club have been taking the piss when TS is absent, and if he feels he has been somewhat ‘played’ on the football side (Watson may be an example), then to me it makes sense that he wants his son around to protect his interests.
    The problem seems to be about Martin and Thomas’ eyes being bigger than their stomachs, job titles and autonomy being less than ideal.

    It is much easier from a supporters point of view to look at the games and absorb the results, if we win consistently a lot of angst will dissipate.

    I still maintain that 2000 fans were betrayed at Ipswich, and were I Thomas at that game I would contemplate how much of that betrayal was my fault, and how much was down to precious footballers and football management seeking to demonstrate how pissed off they were.

    2000 fans were shown up at the wrong place at the wrong time.
    The plain fact is that MS is not qualified to be his eyes and ears.

    What part of the last 18 months makes you think he is.  Or that TS genuinely can make this work?

    Thank fcuk he saved us but we're going nowhere fast under this structure.

    Listen to @Airman Brown when he mentions ex pros in the game, club insiders and players at the club that have a questionable perception of TS.

    Nobody wants TS to fail. Jesus I love his enthusiasm and his passion.   But it isn't, from a results perspective, working.

    If Garner is announced this week, TS is going to lose some credibility in the fact Cawley said 10+ days ago he had the job, he's left Swindon, he's "apparently" been to the training ground three times already and yet TS still says he's not hired anybody yet.....
    If Garner is announced this week after all the faffing around, as expected, I would say that rather than just losing credibility,  TS is going to look like an idiot. Will be a tricky job for the PR team!
  • Ryan Walker…..who he?
    Bloke from Fast & Furious. 

    Knows his stuff 
  • supaclive said:
    Read up.....
    We're allowed to have concerns.
    You're allowed to believe all will get better.
    No swearing required.
    Enjoy your long bank holiday weekend.  Have a few beers.  We'll all still be here Monday.
    Indeed, hope you get over you’re bout of negativity, hope you also cheer up by Monday.
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