I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates. His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that. We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring .
MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
YES!
So he is the reason for Jackson and the players being shit?
Well part of the problem is that we have not recruited very well which no doubt made things harder for Jackson regardless of other failings.
He is PART of the system that has failed. So while it's not fair to say he is the whole and entire reason for a poor season he very much is PART of the reason.
Wasn’t a problem when Jackson was caretaker, and don’t give me the we didn’t have strikers for however long, because the missed hatfuls when they played aswell. If Jackson had continued how he began , nobody would be questioning what MS was doing.
It wasn't but the reason Jackson was the caretaker in the first place was, mainly, because of the summer recruitment.
The fact that Martin was involved in that and is now more involved doesn't fill me with any confidence at all.
If you think Martin has the back ground and experience to play such a crucial role can you tell me why? Because I am not the only one.
I’ve not once said I think he is qualified, I’m in no position to judge, but pinning all our problems on a bloke because of who his dad is, and implying it’s all his decisions is a load of rubbish. Jackson and the players proved at some point they could compete, when they decided they didn’t want to anymore, that’s on them not the owner or his son.
No one is pinning all our problems on him.
The common theme is who makes the football decisions and whose advice is sought and taken. If you listen to what Thomas says it's quite clear that Martin has more influence than any "football" people. It's a symptom of a wider issue.
Maybe I have missed it but where has TS said that MS has more influence than anyone else ? I thought he said that he works alongside Gallen ? And then any transfer targets are put to the group to decide ? I know it's not a popular view but I'm pretty sure most clubs operate that way. People can argue all they want about their knowledge but blaming them for previous signings is over the top imo. Swartz apart who else ? A couple of punts that didnt work out but most on here thought they were decent signings at the time and a couple of loan signings both highly rated and one on the personal recommendation from CP. The fact out manager saw fit not to pick them isnt the owners fault is it ?
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.
Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.
For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!
It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.
Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
Apart from you just saying it, I believe there are very few, if any saying that TS is immune to criticism.
Bang on the money mate. Nobody is saying he is beyond criticism but it should be fair criticism and not shite based on rumours. Some people genuinely want the club to fail I'm sure of it just so they can say I told you so
I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates. His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that. We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring .
MS has been head of "data" for 18 months.....
Has he? Are you sure? 18 months?
YES!
So he is the reason for Jackson and the players being shit?
Well part of the problem is that we have not recruited very well which no doubt made things harder for Jackson regardless of other failings.
He is PART of the system that has failed. So while it's not fair to say he is the whole and entire reason for a poor season he very much is PART of the reason.
Wasn’t a problem when Jackson was caretaker, and don’t give me the we didn’t have strikers for however long, because the missed hatfuls when they played aswell. If Jackson had continued how he began , nobody would be questioning what MS was doing.
It wasn't but the reason Jackson was the caretaker in the first place was, mainly, because of the summer recruitment.
The fact that Martin was involved in that and is now more involved doesn't fill me with any confidence at all.
If you think Martin has the back ground and experience to play such a crucial role can you tell me why? Because I am not the only one.
I’ve not once said I think he is qualified, I’m in no position to judge, but pinning all our problems on a bloke because of who his dad is, and implying it’s all his decisions is a load of rubbish. Jackson and the players proved at some point they could compete, when they decided they didn’t want to anymore, that’s on them not the owner or his son.
No one is pinning all our problems on him.
The common theme is who makes the football decisions and whose advice is sought and taken. If you listen to what Thomas says it's quite clear that Martin has more influence than any "football" people. It's a symptom of a wider issue.
Maybe I have missed it but where has TS said that MS has more influence than anyone else ? I thought he said that he works alongside Gallen ? And then any transfer targets are put to the group to decide ? I know it's not a popular view but I'm pretty sure most clubs operate that way. People can argue all they want about their knowledge but blaming them for previous signings is over the top imo. Swartz apart who else ? A couple of punts that didnt work out but most on here thought they were decent signings at the time and a couple of loan signings both highly rated and one on the personal recommendation from CP. The fact out manager saw fit not to pick them isnt the owners fault is it ?
No, that's exactly what Thomas keeps saying isn't the case. People keep saying it is, despite Thomas keep saying it isn't.
Gallen negotiates the deals for new and existing players.
Now if what your saying is what is happening, there isn't a problem but that's not what Thomas says in public, nor the narrative that leaks out of the club either.
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.
Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.
For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!
It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.
Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
Apart from you just saying it, I believe there are very few, if any saying that TS is immune to criticism.
Bang on the money mate. Nobody is saying he is beyond criticism but it should be fair criticism and not shite based on rumours. Some people genuinely want the club to fail I'm sure of it just so they can say I told you so
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.
Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.
For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!
It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.
Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
Apart from you just saying it, I believe there are very few, if any saying that TS is immune to criticism.
Bang on the money mate. Nobody is saying he is beyond criticism but it should be fair criticism and not shite based on rumours. Some people genuinely want the club to fail I'm sure of it just so they can say I told you so
Who are these people then that want the club to fail? Absolute nonsense
I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates. His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that. We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring .
I think the aforementioned CW incident is an example of at least poor handling of a situation. I can’t speak on behalf of all fans but I do want Sandgaard to be successful. Why wouldn’t I? There’s nothing selfish, shallow or boring in holding him to account. It’s not about doing what I think he should but some of his words and decisions are clearly misguided. As Ive said before he doesn’t seem to learn from mistakes. That’s a cause for concern.
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating your wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates. His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that. We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring .
I think the aforementioned CW incident is an example of at least poor handling of a situation. I can’t speak on behalf of all fans but I do want Sandgaard to be successful. Why wouldn’t I? There’s nothing selfish, shallow or boring in holding him to account. It’s not about doing what I think he should but some of his words and decisions are clearly misguided. As Ive said before he doesn’t seem to learn from mistakes. That’s a cause for concern.
He’s had one full season, admittedly things haven’t gone to plan on the pitch and senior decision wise, we are yet to see if he has learned from mistakes, this coming season will be the true test. If he doesn’t improve as I’ve said before , he is open and deserves criticism. The constant sometimes disrespectful remarks against him and his people are not going to help in any way whatsoever, in fact it’s probably best he doesn’t know some of the bollox being spouted about what he is or isn’t doing, because I wouldn’t blame him for fucking off and leaving us in the shit. Or would the so called perfect owner some think is out there come to our rescue?. Sometimes better the devil you know,, and he isn’t the devil. So what do people want? Realistically not fairytales?.
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.
Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.
For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!
It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.
Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
Apart from you just saying it, I believe there are very few, if any saying that TS is immune to criticism.
Bang on the money mate. Nobody is saying he is beyond criticism but it should be fair criticism and not shite based on rumours. Some people genuinely want the club to fail I'm sure of it just so they can say I told you so
Andy, some of the constructive criticism have been about what Thomas Sandgaard has said. The blow the league out of the water and using Michael Beale as a yardstick that we were aiming above wasn't wise.
Some owners struggle to talk and others maybe talk too much when action would speak louder than words.
Every decision made by TS will be seen as wrong until the results on the field improve and we are contenders. I have reset and hope the team off the field can work well with the team on the field but despite getting our final position spot on with the 7th prediction, two seasons ago and the mid table after JJ took over I/we haven't enough information to go on yet for 22/23.
Football is very emotive and the talk sport way of polar views seems to fit the narrative of radio phone ins and social media, including CL at times of stress ( most of the time at Cafc !) Appears to be the norm. I still enjoy the nuanced view which some CL member can bring to the forum.
I want Thomas Sandgaard to be successful at Cafc and hope he is for all the long suffering supporters of this under achiving south London football club.
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.
Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.
For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!
It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.
Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
Apart from you just saying it, I believe there are very few, if any saying that TS is immune to criticism.
Bang on the money mate. Nobody is saying he is beyond criticism but it should be fair criticism and not shite based on rumours. Some people genuinely want the club to fail I'm sure of it just so they can say I told you so
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
We don’t always agree Henry but I do respect what you have to say, and this is bang on.👍
We are a strange bunch. When Cawley first said it was Garner some thought it was madness appointing a manager from the league below. Then the following day, after checking his CV the opinion swayed in his favour. Then there was a meltdown because the one they had never heard of or wanted, hadn't been appointed to the timescale they had set and not TS with next season already written off. Now it would appear that Garner is close, and because somebody has posted his salary, which may or not be true, he is now a cheap option.
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too.
If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.
Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too.
If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.
Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
Do you want to be ridiculed for positivity you fool!!!!😂😂 if you’re going to put you’re head above the parapet maybe you should have said Thomas is a good for nothing, bravado loving prick!!.😜😂
We are a strange bunch. When Cawley first said it was Garner some thought it was madness appointing a manager from the league below. Then the following day, after checking his CV the opinion swayed in his favour. Then there was a meltdown because the one they had never heard of or wanted, hadn't been appointed to the timescale they had set and not TS with next season already written off. Now it would appear that Garner is close, and because somebody has posted his salary, which may or not be true, he is now a cheap option.
Only one person has said he is a cheap option after I highlighted the salary, so that seems OTT
it just surprised me that’s what we would pay a manager is all, I wanted Garner as soon as the press came in
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Gallen negotiates the deals for new and existing players.
Now if what your saying is what is happening, there isn't a problem but that's not what Thomas says in public, nor the narrative that leaks out of the club either.
A lot cheaper than Adkins but when you add the compensation in and add the extra staff its not cheap is it?
It’s not about doing what I think he should but some of his words and decisions are clearly misguided. As Ive said before he doesn’t seem to learn from mistakes. That’s a cause for concern.
Good news to get a while fresh team in, if it happens.
I wonder, what happens if we play hard ball/ can't agree compo for the "team" would Garner still come.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating your wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money
"Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
Andy, some of the constructive criticism have been about what Thomas Sandgaard has said. The blow the league out of the water and using Michael Beale as a yardstick that we were aiming above wasn't wise.
Some owners struggle to talk and others maybe talk too much when action would speak louder than words.
Every decision made by TS will be seen as wrong until the results on the field improve and we are contenders. I have reset and hope the team off the field can work well with the team on the field but despite getting our final position spot on with the 7th prediction, two seasons ago and the mid table after JJ took over I/we haven't enough information to go on yet for 22/23.
Football is very emotive and the talk sport way of polar views seems to fit the narrative of radio phone ins and social media, including CL at times of stress ( most of the time at Cafc !) Appears to be the norm. I still enjoy the nuanced view which some CL member can bring to the forum.
I want Thomas Sandgaard to be successful at Cafc and hope he is for all the long suffering supporters of this under achiving south London football club.
Likely it's around that £180k a season, personally I don't know if that's cheap or reasonable at this level.
Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too.
If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.
Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
it just surprised me that’s what we would pay a manager is all, I wanted Garner as soon as the press came in