Attention: Please take a moment to consider our terms and conditions before posting.

Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

1215216218220221285

Comments

  • edited June 2022

  • Phil said:
    paulfox said:
    Phil said:
    I don’t think Sandgaard has played a blinder. Appointing his son and giving him authority in a position where he lacks expertise and experience is already looking a poor decision. The CW incident alone is clear evidence of that. It’s widely believed that Junior and perceived interference has cost us a couple of candidates.
    His record in hiring and firing at the club is atrocious. This ongoing saga does little to change that.
    We all want him to do well and thereby, the club in turn. However, he doesn’t appear ready and willing to learn from mistakes. That doesn’t bode well.
    I’m sorry but this post is all hypothetical to come to a suitable narrative, is his son in authority and the cause of anything wrong yet? We haven’t had anything happen to judge whether he has done good or bad, nobody complained at the time of hiring various people and so opinion has been based on  hindsight. Do we all want him to do well? because as I see it any opportunity to dig him out is being taken? The attitude of I’ll support him if he does what I think he should, is selfish, shallow and boring . 
    I think the aforementioned CW incident is an example of at least poor handling of a situation. I can’t speak on behalf of all fans but I do want Sandgaard to be successful. Why wouldn’t I? There’s nothing selfish, shallow or boring in holding him to account.
    It’s not about doing what I think he should but some of his words and decisions are clearly misguided. As Ive said before he doesn’t seem to learn from mistakes. That’s a cause for concern.
    He’s had one full season, admittedly things haven’t gone to plan on the pitch and senior decision wise, we are yet to see if he has learned from mistakes, this coming season will be the true test. If he doesn’t improve as I’ve said before , he is open and deserves criticism. The constant sometimes disrespectful remarks against him and his people are not going to help in any way whatsoever, in fact it’s probably best he doesn’t know some of the bollox being spouted about what he is or isn’t doing, because I wouldn’t blame him for fucking off and leaving us in the shit. Or would the so called perfect owner some think is out there come to our rescue?. Sometimes better the devil you know,, and he isn’t the devil. So what do people want? Realistically not fairytales?.
  • edited June 2022
    AndyG said:
    I think everyone needs to cut TS some slack.

    We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks. 

    Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t. 

    For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.

    He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.

    Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham! 
    It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.

    Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
    Apart from you just saying it, I believe there are very few, if any saying that TS is immune to criticism.
    Bang on the money mate. Nobody is saying he is beyond criticism but it should be fair criticism and not shite based on rumours. Some people genuinely want the club to fail I'm sure of it just so they can say I told you so

    Andy, some of the constructive criticism have been about what Thomas Sandgaard has said. The blow the league out of the water and using Michael Beale as a yardstick that we were aiming above wasn't wise.

    Some owners struggle to talk and others maybe talk too much when action would speak louder than words.

    Every decision made by TS will be seen as wrong until the results on the field improve and we are contenders. I have reset and hope the team off the field can work well with the team on the field but despite getting our final position spot on with the 7th prediction, two seasons ago and the mid table after JJ took over I/we haven't enough information to go on yet for 22/23.

    Football is very emotive and the talk sport way of polar views seems to fit the narrative of radio phone ins and social media, including CL at times of stress ( most of the time at Cafc !) Appears to be the norm. I still enjoy the nuanced view which some CL member can bring to the forum.

    I want Thomas Sandgaard to be successful at Cafc and hope he is for all the long suffering supporters of this under achiving south London football club.
  • AndyG said:
    I think everyone needs to cut TS some slack.

    We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks. 

    Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t. 

    For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.

    He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.

    Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham! 
    It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.

    Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
    Apart from you just saying it, I believe there are very few, if any saying that TS is immune to criticism.
    Bang on the money mate. Nobody is saying he is beyond criticism but it should be fair criticism and not shite based on rumours. Some people genuinely want the club to fail I'm sure of it just so they can say I told you so
    Hi Roland!
  • Well hopefully the negotiations also included reviewing / considering his identified player targets and meaningful conversation  about recruitment. 

    Everything now is, or should be,  a step forward. 

    Someone with a clean slate as far as a Charlton connection is potentially a good thing. 
  • https://twitter.com/ryan_walker14/status/1533050056483524608?s=21&t=8EirlmO5etMOyQtD3B6BOw

    Seems a low salary for a manager for us? Or is football just that bonkers with money now I see 90k per year a low wage 
    Maybe it's just badly written and means £180k per year
  • edited June 2022
    https://twitter.com/ryan_walker14/status/1533050056483524608?s=21&t=8EirlmO5etMOyQtD3B6BOw

    Seems a low salary for a manager for us? Or is football just that bonkers with money now I see 90k per year a low wage 
    Maybe it's just badly written and means £180k per year
    I mean "in excess of" could mean it's £1m

    Likely it's around that £180k a season, personally I don't know if that's cheap or reasonable at this level.
  • Sponsored links:


  • https://twitter.com/ryan_walker14/status/1533050056483524608?s=21&t=8EirlmO5etMOyQtD3B6BOw

    Seems a low salary for a manager for us? Or is football just that bonkers with money now I see 90k per year a low wage 
    Maybe it's just badly written and means £180k per year
    I think that is quite likely.
  • edited June 2022
    We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.

    We don't even know if the figure is accurate.

    But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.

    "High" wage = wasting money
    "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.

    Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it 

    Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.

    They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising,  his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.

    Back to Garner.

    IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.

    We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).

    We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).

    We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.

    Will it work?   Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.

    Will BG get all that?  I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.


    Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too. 

    If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.

    Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
  • Clarky said:
    We are a strange bunch. When Cawley first said it was Garner some thought it was madness appointing a manager from the league below. Then the following day, after checking his CV the opinion swayed in his favour. Then there was a meltdown because the one they had never heard of or wanted,  hadn't been appointed to the timescale they had set and not TS with next season already written off. Now it would appear that Garner is close, and because somebody has posted his salary, which may or not be true,  he is now a cheap option.
    Only one person has said he is a cheap option after I highlighted the salary, so that seems OTT 

    it just surprised me that’s what we would pay a manager is all, I wanted Garner as soon as the press came in 
  • Dazzler21 said:
    https://twitter.com/ryan_walker14/status/1533050056483524608?s=21&t=8EirlmO5etMOyQtD3B6BOw

    Seems a low salary for a manager for us? Or is football just that bonkers with money now I see 90k per year a low wage 
    Maybe it's just badly written and means £180k per year
    I mean "in excess of" could mean it's £1m

    Likely it's around that £180k a season, personally I don't know if that's cheap or reasonable at this level.
    180k is the average managers salary in league 1.
  • edited June 2022
    I've thought of a chant for Ben Garner assuming he arrives. But I'm going to be a tease and not put in on here for your consideration until it's official.

    Is there a separate thread for that sort of thing, or is that thread bare?
  • paulfox said:
    We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.

    We don't even know if the figure is accurate.

    But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.

    "High" wage = wasting money
    "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.

    Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it 

    Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.

    They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising,  his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.

    Back to Garner.

    IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.

    We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).

    We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).

    We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.

    Will it work?   Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.

    Will BG get all that?  I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.


    Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too. 

    If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.

    Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
    Do you want to be ridiculed for positivity you fool!!!!😂😂 if you’re going to put you’re head above the parapet maybe you should have said Thomas is a good for nothing, bravado loving prick!!.😜😂
    Awww sod it there was nearly 3 of us until you scared him off !!!
  • It’s taken far too long but a promising appointment, especially if Garner is allowed to bring his backroom staff with him.

    The Sandgaards now have to step back and trust Garner and his staff do the job they’ve hired him to do. And back him in the transfer market. 
  • Sponsored links:


  • Welcome and good luck BG.
  • We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.

    We don't even know if the figure is accurate.

    But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.

    "High" wage = wasting money
    "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.

    Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it 

    Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.

    They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising,  his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.

    Back to Garner.

    IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.

    We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).

    We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).

    We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.

    Will it work?   Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.

    Will BG get all that?  I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.


    Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too. 

    If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.

    Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
    Hope it’s better than Matrix Resurrection 
  • Come on now guys


    WIOTOS

  • Clarky said:
    We are a strange bunch. When Cawley first said it was Garner some thought it was madness appointing a manager from the league below. Then the following day, after checking his CV the opinion swayed in his favour. Then there was a meltdown because the one they had never heard of or wanted,  hadn't been appointed to the timescale they had set and not TS with next season already written off. Now it would appear that Garner is close, and because somebody has posted his salary, which may or not be true,  he is now a cheap option.
    Only one person has said he is a cheap option after I highlighted the salary, so that seems OTT 

    it just surprised me that’s what we would pay a manager is all, I wanted Garner as soon as the press came in 
    Never thought we would get Beale and once Garner was mentioned I also wanted him as I think he is in a similar mould to Beale but with managerial  experience.
    My post was in general and not aimed solely at this forum. Being a cheap option has also been mentioned elsewhere as has the salary being around £180k. It has also been said that compensation is around £150k. I will take all of it with a pinch of salt and to be honest I can't see it matters what he is paid providing he does and is allowed to do a good job.
  • As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out. 

    I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable. 
    Perhaps TS has a get-out, being based in the US, but I suspect he would find it difficult to extract himself from Charlton without addressing at least some of the liabilities he has taken on - player contracts, rent to RD until 2035 and, especially,  the £7m in ex-director loans. 

    As you say, he might well struggle to find a buyer as there is currently nothing tangible to sell, but I’m not clear he can just walk away from all those commitments, even if he felt like it. 
    TS has bought the club name, its position in the Football League and the staff and player contracts - intangible assets, known in accounting as goodwill.  He doesn't own the ground, so he cannot enjoy any capital appreciation in that area.  That is why he is so desperate to get the team promoted from League 1, because that is the only way he can improve the value of his intangible assets.
    Desperate perhaps but unless money is spent in the right ways it’s a forlorn hope. 
    An opportunity for Lt Sharpe to be TS’s next manager, perhaps
  • paulfox said:
    We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.

    We don't even know if the figure is accurate.

    But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.

    "High" wage = wasting money
    "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.

    Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it 

    Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.

    They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising,  his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.

    Back to Garner.

    IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.

    We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).

    We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).

    We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.

    Will it work?   Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.

    Will BG get all that?  I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.


    Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too. 

    If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.

    Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
    Do you want to be ridiculed for positivity you fool!!!!😂😂 if you’re going to put you’re head above the parapet maybe you should have said Thomas is a good for nothing, bravado loving prick!!.😜😂
    zzzzzzzzz
  • Asked for an update. This is what I got:

    Garner finally agreed a deal and compo for him is sorted. However, not a done deal as he won't be coming without his own backroom staff. Talks regarding them are ongoing. Compo sticking point at the moment  If pushed In would say announcement likely Tues/Weds next week.
    If you want him to be successful then you need to bring the support with him that’s helped him do that. Stop pissing about Sandgaard.
    You do and that might be what's the hold up, I would imagine Swindon aren't over the moon that they have lost the dof and now look like losing their whole first team management team.

    The compo for Ganrer is almost certainly contractual but everyone else might not be.  If Chorley has done the dirty and resigned for another job, ala Dowie, Swindon have every right to play hard ball.  Not just roll over and have their tummy tickled. You would expect us to do the same, wouldn't you?
Sign In or Register to comment.

Roland Out Forever!