I've thought of a chant for Ben Garner assuming he arrives. But I'm going to be a tease and not put in on here for your consideration until it's official.
Is there a separate thread for that sort of thing, or is that thread bare?
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too.
If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.
Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
Do you want to be ridiculed for positivity you fool!!!!😂😂 if you’re going to put you’re head above the parapet maybe you should have said Thomas is a good for nothing, bravado loving prick!!.😜😂
Awww sod it there was nearly 3 of us until you scared him off !!!
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.
Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.
For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!
It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.
Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
But was had he done so badly in the last two years, when you consider how shit we were for the 13 years beforehand.
He doesn’t have a magic wand!
I can’t deal with this attitude anymore. Easy to slag someone off when it’s not your money that you’re having to pump in season after season.
Let’s list out his mistakes…
1) He’s made some bold claims which he shouldn’t have done
2) He underestimated the league and we were slow out of the blocks last season
3) No one should play the guitar on the pitch
What else?
What?????? We are more shit now than at any point in the last 13 years.
A period that included signings such as Cullen, Bielik, Gudmundsson, Buyens, Bulot, Texeira, Taylor, Bauer etc.
Championship football (even under the owner we had). Play off promotions.
I agree last year was awful, but that follows 13 years of being shit, but he’s not a magician or a billionaire owner, so it’s going to take time.
Please as I’m really interested in your opinion, what mistakes do you think he has made (on top of those I’ve already listed)?
13 years of being shit? If you measure things against being Premier League then maybe. Measured as a League One team we were brilliant in 2012 and in 2019. We also spent 5 seasons in The Championship. We've got worse and worse since TS became owner. You ask what other mistakes he's made: 1. Not hiring a CEO and believing that he can do the job based on another continent. 2. Hiring a completely inexperienced person to head up recruitment. 3. Worrying about the women's team and Valley Pass before sorting out the men's team. 4. Having too much of a say on the way we should be playing. 5. Forcing Bowyer out ( a manager who has already proved he can get promotion from League One). 6. Signing players too heavily weighted on data system analysis
7. Hiring Adkins (was he on anyone's list of possible candidates?) 8. Leaving it too late to sign players.
9. Giving un unrealistic target to the third manager leading to his sacking. 10. Not getting the fourth manager in place sooner.
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too.
If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.
Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
Garner finally agreed a deal and compo for him is sorted. However, not a done deal as he won't be coming without his own backroom staff. Talks regarding them are ongoing. Compo sticking point at the moment If pushed I would say announcement likely Tues/Weds next week.
Garner finally agreed a deal and compo for him is sorted. However, not a done deal as he won't be coming without his own backroom staff. Talks regarding them are ongoing. Compo sticking point at the moment If pushed In would say announcement likely Tues/Weds next week.
If you want him to be successful then you need to bring the support with him that’s helped him do that. Stop pissing about Sandgaard.
We are a strange bunch. When Cawley first said it was Garner some thought it was madness appointing a manager from the league below. Then the following day, after checking his CV the opinion swayed in his favour. Then there was a meltdown because the one they had never heard of or wanted, hadn't been appointed to the timescale they had set and not TS with next season already written off. Now it would appear that Garner is close, and because somebody has posted his salary, which may or not be true, he is now a cheap option.
Only one person has said he is a cheap option after I highlighted the salary, so that seems OTT
it just surprised me that’s what we would pay a manager is all, I wanted Garner as soon as the press came in
Never thought we would get Beale and once Garner was mentioned I also wanted him as I think he is in a similar mould to Beale but with managerial experience. My post was in general and not aimed solely at this forum. Being a cheap option has also been mentioned elsewhere as has the salary being around £180k. It has also been said that compensation is around £150k. I will take all of it with a pinch of salt and to be honest I can't see it matters what he is paid providing he does and is allowed to do a good job.
As an ex communications specialist (I.e. one of my areas of expertise was communications as opposed to I go round warding off evil spirits), I do just wonder if TS has played a blinder here. It has been Ben wots is name for weeks but TS has put it out there so that what would have been a very underwhelming appointment ends up getting welcomed like the messiah. Maybe not but he’s not as daft as some are making out.
I also do think that our keyboard warriors who are lambasting TS on twatter etc need to be careful what they wish for. TS has clearly got a lot wrong and is eccentric to put it mildly. But there will not be a queue of buyers if he gets out of the wrong side of bed one morning with the fragrant Rayleen on his case and reads the wrong comment and decides to write off his losses (which he could easily do). Any assets worthy of the name are still in the hands of the Belgian twunt. I’m in despair as much as the next guy and gal but this is a whole lot better than what we faced in the last days of ESI. I cling to at least a little hope that things will pick up. I’m certainly not a TS apologist. His halo has certainly slipped a bit. But he’s what we’ve got for the moment and the alternatives are few and probably unpalatable.
Perhaps TS has a get-out, being based in the US, but I suspect he would find it difficult to extract himself from Charlton without addressing at least some of the liabilities he has taken on - player contracts, rent to RD until 2035 and, especially, the £7m in ex-director loans.
As you say, he might well struggle to find a buyer as there is currently nothing tangible to sell, but I’m not clear he can just walk away from all those commitments, even if he felt like it.
TS has bought the club name, its position in the Football League and the staff and player contracts - intangible assets, known in accounting as goodwill. He doesn't own the ground, so he cannot enjoy any capital appreciation in that area. That is why he is so desperate to get the team promoted from League 1, because that is the only way he can improve the value of his intangible assets.
Desperate perhaps but unless money is spent in the right ways it’s a forlorn hope.
An opportunity for Lt Sharpe to be TS’s next manager, perhaps
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too.
If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.
Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
Do you want to be ridiculed for positivity you fool!!!!😂😂 if you’re going to put you’re head above the parapet maybe you should have said Thomas is a good for nothing, bravado loving prick!!.😜😂
Garner finally agreed a deal and compo for him is sorted. However, not a done deal as he won't be coming without his own backroom staff. Talks regarding them are ongoing. Compo sticking point at the moment If pushed In would say announcement likely Tues/Weds next week.
If you want him to be successful then you need to bring the support with him that’s helped him do that. Stop pissing about Sandgaard.
You do and that might be what's the hold up, I would imagine Swindon aren't over the moon that they have lost the dof and now look like losing their whole first team management team.
The compo for Ganrer is almost certainly contractual but everyone else might not be. If Chorley has done the dirty and resigned for another job, ala Dowie, Swindon have every right to play hard ball. Not just roll over and have their tummy tickled. You would expect us to do the same, wouldn't you?
On Free sports channel 65 is a mini football tournament with six a side. Fed up with the speculation on the next manager, raining cats and dogs, waiting for the Racing.
England are playing Israel later. Wave your flag and cheer on England.
No apologies from me for advertising football on a football forum.
Enjoy.
Charlton were invited, but we turned it down as we couldn’t put a side out
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.
Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.
For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!
It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.
Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
But was had he done so badly in the last two years, when you consider how shit we were for the 13 years beforehand.
He doesn’t have a magic wand!
I can’t deal with this attitude anymore. Easy to slag someone off when it’s not your money that you’re having to pump in season after season.
Let’s list out his mistakes…
1) He’s made some bold claims which he shouldn’t have done
2) He underestimated the league and we were slow out of the blocks last season
3) No one should play the guitar on the pitch
What else?
What?????? We are more shit now than at any point in the last 13 years.
A period that included signings such as Cullen, Bielik, Gudmundsson, Buyens, Bulot, Texeira, Taylor, Bauer etc.
Championship football (even under the owner we had). Play off promotions.
I agree last year was awful, but that follows 13 years of being shit, but he’s not a magician or a billionaire owner, so it’s going to take time.
Please as I’m really interested in your opinion, what mistakes do you think he has made (on top of those I’ve already listed)?
13 years of being shit? If you measure things against being Premier League then maybe. Measured as a League One team we were brilliant in 2012 and in 2019. We also spent 5 seasons in The Championship. We've got worse and worse since TS became owner. You ask what other mistakes he's made: 1. Not hiring a CEO and believing that he can do the job based on another continent. 2. Hiring a completely inexperienced person to head up recruitment. 3. Worrying about the women's team and Valley Pass before sorting out the men's team. 4. Having too much of a say on the way we should be playing. 5. Forcing Bowyer out ( a manager who has already proved he can get promotion from League One). 6. Signing players too heavily weighted on data system analysis
7. Hiring Adkins (was he on anyone's list of possible candidates?) 8. Leaving it too late to sign players.
9. Giving un unrealistic target to the third manager leading to his sacking. 10. Not getting the fourth manager in place sooner.
15 years of being managed (off the pitch) badly, of which only 2 years has been under the TS reign.
My point is, you can’t take a club that’s been managed so badly (TJ, RD, MS the etc) and turn it round in a season or two.
And some of the points above are just an opinion, for example Adkins, and others might be out of his control, e.g. appointing Garner and his team will take time as we’re taking them from another club.
TS is our owner and should ultimately take the blame, but some of the things he’s getting criticised for are just way over the top.
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.
Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.
For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!
It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.
Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
But was had he done so badly in the last two years, when you consider how shit we were for the 13 years beforehand.
He doesn’t have a magic wand!
I can’t deal with this attitude anymore. Easy to slag someone off when it’s not your money that you’re having to pump in season after season.
Let’s list out his mistakes…
1) He’s made some bold claims which he shouldn’t have done
2) He underestimated the league and we were slow out of the blocks last season
3) No one should play the guitar on the pitch
What else?
What?????? We are more shit now than at any point in the last 13 years.
A period that included signings such as Cullen, Bielik, Gudmundsson, Buyens, Bulot, Texeira, Taylor, Bauer etc.
Championship football (even under the owner we had). Play off promotions.
I agree last year was awful, but that follows 13 years of being shit, but he’s not a magician or a billionaire owner, so it’s going to take time.
Please as I’m really interested in your opinion, what mistakes do you think he has made (on top of those I’ve already listed)?
13 years of being shit? If you measure things against being Premier League then maybe. Measured as a League One team we were brilliant in 2012 and in 2019. We also spent 5 seasons in The Championship. We've got worse and worse since TS became owner. You ask what other mistakes he's made: 1. Not hiring a CEO and believing that he can do the job based on another continent.
He is on record as saying he needs to sort the club out 1st so maybe we will see a CEO before long
2. Hiring a completely inexperienced person to head up recruitment.
Again where has it been said MS heads up recruitment ? Apart from on here ?
3. Worrying about the women's team and Valley Pass before sorting out the men's team.
Maybe the womens team was an easier short term fix. Valley Pass is a fantastic addition imo and is a revenue builder I presume
4. Having too much of a say on the way we should be playing.
Really ? Again how do you know that ? He expressed an opinion that the style of play last season was poor, do you disagree? Would you be happy going into next season thinking your spending your hard earned on watching that shite ?
5. Forcing Bowyer out ( a manager who has already proved he can get promotion from League One).
How does that work then ? Bowyer left on his own accord
6. Signing players too heavily weighted on data system analysis
I think most clubs do this we are not alone, the days when 1 person bought and sold players are long gone
7. Hiring Adkins (was he on anyone's list of possible candidates?)
Dont you think this interferes with the theory that he doesnt take advice ? You think he had even heard of Adkins before ? Obviously someone put Adkins forward as a recommendation, the recomendation went wrong but noway he just plucked Adkins out of thin air on his own accord
8. Leaving it too late to sign players.
Yup valid point and one he has acknowledged himself
9. Giving un unrealistic target to the third manager leading to his sacking.
Was it unrealistic ? When JJ signed the contract we were already there, he went downhill radically since that point for whatever reason.
10. Not getting the fourth manager in place sooner.
Has pre season started yet ? Are you aware that the new manager hasnt been having an input already ? What exactly would the new Manager have been doing the last 3 weeks ?
Not having a dig but just think about your statements, only one has any basis of fact the rest are just based on hearsay
We have a club to support thanks to him, no one else. Forget Barclay, he didn’t want to get involved without the assets, so TS was the only option and we all owe him a massive thanks.
Has he over promised, has he made mistakes - yes, but who hasn’t.
For the last 15 years, this club has been poorly run, so we need to forget the “that’s not the way we do things at Charlton mindset”.
He genuinely wants to build something here, so let’s get behind him, ride out the good with the bad, and be grateful that we’ll have a competitive club to support come the start of the season.
Just because we were mixing it in the premier league once, does not mean we have a right to do so again. Look at Oldham!
It’s the year 2030. Charlton have just completed the Derby double over Dulwich Hamlet as Thomas proclaims the road to the Prem starts here.
Honestly I can’t deal with this anymore. He saved the club doesn’t mean he (or anyone else) is immune to criticism. It’s beyond parody.
But was had he done so badly in the last two years, when you consider how shit we were for the 13 years beforehand.
He doesn’t have a magic wand!
I can’t deal with this attitude anymore. Easy to slag someone off when it’s not your money that you’re having to pump in season after season.
Let’s list out his mistakes…
1) He’s made some bold claims which he shouldn’t have done
2) He underestimated the league and we were slow out of the blocks last season
3) No one should play the guitar on the pitch
What else?
What?????? We are more shit now than at any point in the last 13 years.
A period that included signings such as Cullen, Bielik, Gudmundsson, Buyens, Bulot, Texeira, Taylor, Bauer etc.
Championship football (even under the owner we had). Play off promotions.
I agree last year was awful, but that follows 13 years of being shit, but he’s not a magician or a billionaire owner, so it’s going to take time.
Please as I’m really interested in your opinion, what mistakes do you think he has made (on top of those I’ve already listed)?
13 years of being shit? If you measure things against being Premier League then maybe. Measured as a League One team we were brilliant in 2012 and in 2019. We also spent 5 seasons in The Championship. We've got worse and worse since TS became owner. You ask what other mistakes he's made: 1. Not hiring a CEO and believing that he can do the job based on another continent.
He is on record as saying he needs to sort the club out 1st so maybe we will see a CEO before long
2. Hiring a completely inexperienced person to head up recruitment.
Again where has it been said MS heads up recruitment ? Apart from on here ?
3. Worrying about the women's team and Valley Pass before sorting out the men's team.
Maybe the womens team was an easier short term fix. Valley Pass is a fantastic addition imo and is a revenue builder I presume
4. Having too much of a say on the way we should be playing.
Really ? Again how do you know that ? He expressed an opinion that the style of play last season was poor, do you disagree? Would you be happy going into next season thinking your spending your hard earned on watching that shite ?
5. Forcing Bowyer out ( a manager who has already proved he can get promotion from League One).
How does that work then ? Bowyer left on his own accord
6. Signing players too heavily weighted on data system analysis
I think most clubs do this we are not alone, the days when 1 person bought and sold players are long gone
7. Hiring Adkins (was he on anyone's list of possible candidates?)
Dont you think this interferes with the theory that he doesnt take advice ? You think he had even heard of Adkins before ? Obviously someone put Adkins forward as a recommendation, the recomendation went wrong but noway he just plucked Adkins out of thin air on his own accord
8. Leaving it too late to sign players.
Yup valid point and one he has acknowledged himself
9. Giving un unrealistic target to the third manager leading to his sacking.
Was it unrealistic ? When JJ signed the contract we were already there, he went downhill radically since that point for whatever reason.
10. Not getting the fourth manager in place sooner.
Has pre season started yet ? Are you aware that the new manager hasnt been having an input already ? What exactly would the new Manager have been doing the last 3 weeks ?
Not having a dig but just think about your statements, only one has any basis of fact the rest are just based on hearsay
Garner finally agreed a deal and compo for him is sorted. However, not a done deal as he won't be coming without his own backroom staff. Talks regarding them are ongoing. Compo sticking point at the moment If pushed In would say announcement likely Tues/Weds next week.
If you want him to be successful then you need to bring the support with him that’s helped him do that. Stop pissing about Sandgaard.
Feels a bit like people will try and find an infinite number of sticks to beat Sandgaard with sometimes. There’s been moaning about the amount of time it’s taken to secure Garner but it appears to be done. Now there’s the negotiation over his other staff - who we’re clearly trying to bring in - where Swindon appear to be the problem and Sandgaard Is ‘pissing about’. Does it always have to be a dig at him?
Garner finally agreed a deal and compo for him is sorted. However, not a done deal as he won't be coming without his own backroom staff. Talks regarding them are ongoing. Compo sticking point at the moment If pushed I would say announcement likely Tues/Weds next week.
Garner finally agreed a deal and compo for him is sorted. However, not a done deal as he won't be coming without his own backroom staff. Talks regarding them are ongoing. Compo sticking point at the moment If pushed In would say announcement likely Tues/Weds next week.
If you want him to be successful then you need to bring the support with him that’s helped him do that. Stop pissing about Sandgaard.
This.
The mighty Clough was nothing without Taylor.
A General needs to have officers around him that he trusts
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
MS - people are now calling out some of the great signings made by Driesen, so maybe the data is key!
Charlton Ladies - agreed
Ronnie - crap signing won’t be the last
I agree on the song but it’s not contributed to anything on the pitch.
Fill the ground - I’m a ST holder and I got what he was trying to do, it didn’t work, but the right intentions were there.
Washington - that’s a matter of opinion, so many fans saying he wasn’t good enough.
Loan signings - I agree that was strange but again, who really knows the circumstances around those signings.
IMO when Skiverton joined JJ was going to be in charge this year but the end to last season was woeful.
No current manager - he said we’d have a manager before pre-season
my point is the list above is not that bad. I’m not saying we shouldn’t criticise but a lot on here and Twitter and other sites are going way over-board!
This is an interesting and potentially valid point.
If that’s the case then, I would suggest hiring a data expert rather than your son who needs a job may be the way to go
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too.
If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.
Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
Do you want to be ridiculed for positivity you fool!!!!😂😂 if you’re going to put you’re head above the parapet maybe you should have said Thomas is a good for nothing, bravado loving prick!!.😜😂
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Have a Horlicks and a good night sleep, you’ll be ok in the morning.
We don't know if the wages are basic or if they include bonuses.
We don't even know if the figure is accurate.
But we're getting into "have you stopped beating you wife?" territory.
"High" wage = wasting money "Low" wage = doing it on the cheap.
Appoint a manager in days = rushed into it
Appoint a manager in five weeks = faffed about/season is already wasted.
They are plenty of valid reasons to question TS (such as MS and his role, his managerial appointments, his over promising, his rush to make things happen ie pushing fill the Valley too hard after the initial success) but some are looking to see a negative in every action or if no action then to see a negative in that same lack of action.
Back to Garner.
IF IF IF (WIOTOS) what the Swindon journalist says is true then I'm pleased.
We have a manager who's been allowed to bring in his own staff (a criticism of the Adkins appointment).
We have a young but experienced coach wanting to progress his career with us (you could argue we had similar with JJ but he wasn't given time/wasn't good enough).
We have a manager who, we hope, sees eye to eye with the owner and buys into the "model" that we plan to use.
Will it work? Possibly, if TS and MS don’t micro-manage BG, give him a large say in recruitment, fund said recruitment and give him time.
Will BG get all that? I don't know but at least some of us will have something different to look forward to and some others something different to moan about.
Sandgaard made the point about the pathway/ progression not just in regards to youth coming through but coaches too.
If, if, if we get Garner and his team in I'd take that as TS having a wake up call in regards to what it takes to getting out of this league and moving forwards, just plugging a random coach in to current set up - ala Adkins - isn't as straight forward or easy as it sounds, hopefully, that mind set will stretch to recruitment, ie the manger/ coach having more if an input into who comes in.
Could be the start of that Charlton resurrection right here.
Do you want to be ridiculed for positivity you fool!!!!😂😂 if you’re going to put you’re head above the parapet maybe you should have said Thomas is a good for nothing, bravado loving prick!!.😜😂
zzzzzzzzz
Have a Horlicks and a good night sleep, you’ll be ok in the morning.
If MS was responsible for signings last year and the loans in January, why is it said that Adkins had to be persuaded to take Dobson? And why is it that MS is reported to have told CW that it would be for the manager to decide if he would be offered a new contract? Sounds to me that our manager has and will have a big say in who we sign - hence we have not signed anyone as yet. Hopefully our new manager will be appointed early next week and we can start bringing in players that he would like.
I think there are a few on here that we’re calling TS a liar who may know that they should be posting some apologies. I won’t hold my breath.
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Is there a separate thread for that sort of thing, or is that thread bare?
If you measure things against being Premier League then maybe.
Measured as a League One team we were brilliant in 2012 and in 2019.
We also spent 5 seasons in The Championship.
We've got worse and worse since TS became owner.
You ask what other mistakes he's made:
1. Not hiring a CEO and believing that he can do the job based on another continent.
2. Hiring a completely inexperienced person to head up recruitment.
3. Worrying about the women's team and Valley Pass before sorting out the men's team.
4. Having too much of a say on the way we should be playing.
5. Forcing Bowyer out ( a manager who has already proved he can get promotion from League One).
6. Signing players too heavily weighted on data system analysis
8. Leaving it too late to sign players.
10. Not getting the fourth manager in place sooner.
WIOTOS
My post was in general and not aimed solely at this forum. Being a cheap option has also been mentioned elsewhere as has the salary being around £180k. It has also been said that compensation is around £150k. I will take all of it with a pinch of salt and to be honest I can't see it matters what he is paid providing he does and is allowed to do a good job.
The compo for Ganrer is almost certainly contractual but everyone else might not be. If Chorley has done the dirty and resigned for another job, ala Dowie, Swindon have every right to play hard ball. Not just roll over and have their tummy tickled. You would expect us to do the same, wouldn't you?
TS is our owner and should ultimately take the blame, but some of the things he’s getting criticised for are just way over the top.
The mighty Clough was nothing without Taylor.
A General needs to have officers around him that he trusts
If that’s the case then, I would suggest hiring a data expert rather than your son who needs a job may be the way to go
Rumours that Chorley left due to budget cuts seen wide of the mark.
And why is it that MS is reported to have told CW that it would be for the manager to decide if he would be offered a new contract?
Sounds to me that our manager has and will have a big say in who we sign - hence we have not signed anyone as yet.
Hopefully our new manager will be appointed early next week and we can start bringing in players that he would like.
I think there are a few on here that we’re calling TS a liar who may know that they should be posting some apologies. I won’t hold my breath.