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  • superdulvertonred
    superdulvertonred Posts: 1,137
    Sure it will be this week not ITK  but just makes sense and the timing for preparation for the new season not impacted in a negative way. Just chill absolutely no need for the panic and vitriol of some on here
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON Posts: 2,618
    i’m predicting tomorrow now , my personal feeling is it’s been agreed weeks and hopefully a lot of planning and preparation has already been going on behind the scenes. I know Thomas and his mrs denied claims it’s a done deal but i really think the only reason it wasn’t a done deal was because he wasn’t here in person to sign it all off
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,309
    BR7_addick said:
    J BLOCK said:
    BR7_addick said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it. 
    Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season. 
  • Redhenry
    Redhenry Posts: 5,358
    balham red said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    what does it say?
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    edited June 2022
    Redhenry said:
    balham red said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    what does it say?
    ‘Swindon playing hard ball on compo for coaching staff but clubs not to far apart and with TS now in the country should get sorted next 48 hours and announced then …’
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    balham red said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    I think that's the consensus but how much there is to haggle over is unclear. These guys are unlikely to be on £100k pa, so the negotiation will probably be in the £10ks. Obviously you want the best deal, but relative to the football budget it's not going to be a huge difference.
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    Redrobo said:
    balham red said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
    As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously. 

    Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
  • shirty5
    shirty5 Posts: 19,219
    balham red said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    Another thanks Conor 

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  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    I think she wanted to show via a tipsy night on the wine why the Club does not need a Ceo!
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    Airman Brown said:
    balham red said:
    Redrobo said:
    balham red said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
    As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously. 

    Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
    In which case you'll presumably agree there was no need for TS/RM to rubbish the stories in the media?
    No need for you to keep stirring the pot now you're not selling your magazines but you still do it?
  • CH4RLTON
    CH4RLTON Posts: 2,618
    What’s interesting to me is everyone seems to be giving TS a real hard time over the length of time this is taking, but what if it’s purely down to the swindon mob asking for unrealistic compo? Is TS supposed just pay it and do himself out of a couple of hundred k for no reason , or play the waiting game, I know what i’d do if it was my money 
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    CH4RLTON said:
    What’s interesting to me is everyone seems to be giving TS a real hard time over the length of time this is taking, but what if it’s purely down to the swindon mob asking for unrealistic compo? Is TS supposed just pay it and do himself out of a couple of hundred k for no reason , or play the waiting game, I know what i’d do if it was my money 
    Especially when our preparations are already underway and the squad aren't back training yet. 
  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,330
    Airman Brown said:
    balham red said:
    Redrobo said:
    balham red said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
    As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously. 

    Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
    In which case you'll presumably agree there was no need for TS/RM to rubbish the stories in the media?
    I thought you said this morning that it had all been sorted out when Crawley published and now you are saying they are still negotiating on his back room staff. 
    To me that makes TS/RM completely right.
    If all aspects of the agreement have not been finalised it is clearly not a done deal.

    You can sign a contract to buy a house, but if the carpet and curtains you agreed were to be included are not there, the deal is off. You would be perfectly within your rights to walk away, and so can Garner.

    Maybe it would have been better if Cawley had used a few more words to describe exactly his understanding in the first place. Something along the lines that a deal had been agreed subject to his back room staff coming with him.
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    We sack Adkins (and have to pay him off) and then JJ who, in a matter of days, gets another job (but there is no compo due). We then have to wait weeks and weeks to get someone we want as his replacement with the issue being the level of compo.

    Perhaps it is the cost of and lack of return for our most recent managers that irks the businessman that is TS and explains his reluctance to pay what Swindon demand. And why he rubbishes the story released by journos that we have signed Garner because he wants the deal done on his terms and until that happens he doesn't want anyone else announcing it. 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Addick Addict said:
    We sack Adkins (and have to pay him off) and then JJ who, in a matter of days, gets another job (but there is no compo due). We then have to wait weeks and weeks to get someone we want as his replacement with the issue being the level of compo.

    Perhaps it is the cost of and lack of return for our most recent managers that irks the businessman that is TS and explains his reluctance to pay what Swindon demand. And why he rubbishes the story released by journos that we have signed Garner because he wants the deal done on his terms and until that happens he doesn't want anyone else announcing it. 
    Perhaps he does, but it isn't up to him. The media doesn't work for him and doesn't take his instructions. Neither should it.
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    Redrobo said:
    Airman Brown said:
    balham red said:
    Redrobo said:
    balham red said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
    As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously. 

    Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
    In which case you'll presumably agree there was no need for TS/RM to rubbish the stories in the media?
    I thought you said this morning that it had all been sorted out when Crawley published and now you are saying they are still negotiating on his back room staff. 
    To me that makes TS/RM completely right.
    If all aspects of the agreement have not been finalised it is clearly not a done deal.

    You can sign a contract to buy a house, but if the carpet and curtains you agreed were to be included are not there, the deal is off. You would be perfectly within your rights to walk away, and so can Garner.

    Maybe it would have been better if Cawley had used a few more words to describe exactly his understanding in the first place. Something along the lines that a deal had been agreed subject to his back room staff coming with him.
    Cawley's story is entirely consistent with your version. 
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  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,309
    Swisdom said:
    J BLOCK said:
    BR7_addick said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    Since then the rest of the teams seasons have finished.  EVERYONE in football has gone away.  Pre season starts up again in a fortnight.  The recruitment team have continued working. 

    We haven’t missed out on anything particularly exciting 

    It’s not exactly unheard of.  Not perfect but not as outlandish as you might think 

    Let’s see where we are at the end of the week 
    1) Not everyone in football has gone away a number of teams are making decisions on players and welcoming new signings. 

    2) Recruitment team are doing what exactly? No player will sign without a manager in place and who's to say any new manager will want them?

    3) To think we are not behind other teams in the league in terms of preparation is naive. 


  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Redrobo said:
    Airman Brown said:
    balham red said:
    Redrobo said:
    balham red said:
    Clem_Snide said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
    As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously. 

    Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
    In which case you'll presumably agree there was no need for TS/RM to rubbish the stories in the media?
    I thought you said this morning that it had all been sorted out when Crawley published and now you are saying they are still negotiating on his back room staff. 
    To me that makes TS/RM completely right.
    If all aspects of the agreement have not been finalised it is clearly not a done deal.

    You can sign a contract to buy a house, but if the carpet and curtains you agreed were to be included are not there, the deal is off. You would be perfectly within your rights to walk away, and so can Garner.

    Maybe it would have been better if Cawley had used a few more words to describe exactly his understanding in the first place. Something along the lines that a deal had been agreed subject to his back room staff coming with him.
    Cawley quite clearly stated it was Garner who had agreed a deal. No mention of the backroom staff. This ties in with other snippets we’re hearing of Garner being at the training ground etc. Cawley wasn’t the only one to report this remember. Swindon press, TalkSport and The Athletic all did too. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    J BLOCK said:
    Swisdom said:
    J BLOCK said:
    BR7_addick said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    Since then the rest of the teams seasons have finished.  EVERYONE in football has gone away.  Pre season starts up again in a fortnight.  The recruitment team have continued working. 

    We haven’t missed out on anything particularly exciting 

    It’s not exactly unheard of.  Not perfect but not as outlandish as you might think 

    Let’s see where we are at the end of the week 
    1) Not everyone in football has gone away a number of teams are making decisions on players and welcoming new signings. 

    2) Recruitment team are doing what exactly? No player will sign without a manager in place and who's to say any new manager will want them?

    3) To think we are not behind other teams in the league in terms of preparation is naive. 


    If Garner is indeed a done deal but just not announced then who’s to say he’s not already actively working with the recruitment team on targets and is happy for his name being used in that process ? 
  • BR7_addick
    BR7_addick Posts: 10,210
    edited June 2022
    J BLOCK said:
    BR7_addick said:
    J BLOCK said:
    BR7_addick said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it. 
    Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season. 
    Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.  
  • ElliotCAFC
    ElliotCAFC Posts: 2,552
    CH4RLTON said:
    What’s interesting to me is everyone seems to be giving TS a real hard time over the length of time this is taking, but what if it’s purely down to the swindon mob asking for unrealistic compo? Is TS supposed just pay it and do himself out of a couple of hundred k for no reason , or play the waiting game, I know what i’d do if it was my money 
    I think there wouldn’t be half as much annoyance if he wasn’t texting fans on LinkedIn and constantly trying to control the narrative. 
  • balham red
    balham red Posts: 1,278
    J BLOCK said:
    Swisdom said:
    J BLOCK said:
    BR7_addick said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    Since then the rest of the teams seasons have finished.  EVERYONE in football has gone away.  Pre season starts up again in a fortnight.  The recruitment team have continued working. 

    We haven’t missed out on anything particularly exciting 

    It’s not exactly unheard of.  Not perfect but not as outlandish as you might think 

    Let’s see where we are at the end of the week 
    1) Not everyone in football has gone away a number of teams are making decisions on players and welcoming new signings. 

    2) Recruitment team are doing what exactly? No player will sign without a manager in place and who's to say any new manager will want them?

    3) To think we are not behind other teams in the league in terms of preparation is naive. 


    Well we have signed Marquis already just not announced, according to a few sources. Whether you consider that good news or not, our recruitment team ARE working, HAVE had input from Garner, and players WILL sign knowing Garner is the manager (and probably would regardless if the package was right for them).
  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    Airman Brown said:
    Addick Addict said:
    We sack Adkins (and have to pay him off) and then JJ who, in a matter of days, gets another job (but there is no compo due). We then have to wait weeks and weeks to get someone we want as his replacement with the issue being the level of compo.

    Perhaps it is the cost of and lack of return for our most recent managers that irks the businessman that is TS and explains his reluctance to pay what Swindon demand. And why he rubbishes the story released by journos that we have signed Garner because he wants the deal done on his terms and until that happens he doesn't want anyone else announcing it. 
    Perhaps he does, but it isn't up to him. The media doesn't work for him and doesn't take his instructions. Neither should it.
    Really @Airman Brown !  You're right to say the media don't work for TS, but viz a vie, TS has the right to deny a deal has been done, if indeed all the paperwork, comp, etc has not been signed. Works both ways, or are you saying if its published in the press it must be 100% true?
    As I said on my one and only previous post on this thread, if, technically, nothing had been signed then the deal is not done! 
    Bit like when a house is sold....a big SOLD sign goes up...in the small print underneath it nearly always says Subject to contract.
    Crawley has the right to publish what he knows, but he may not have known about any sticking points. It simple really!
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,734
    edited June 2022
    Redmidland said:
    Airman Brown said:
    Addick Addict said:
    We sack Adkins (and have to pay him off) and then JJ who, in a matter of days, gets another job (but there is no compo due). We then have to wait weeks and weeks to get someone we want as his replacement with the issue being the level of compo.

    Perhaps it is the cost of and lack of return for our most recent managers that irks the businessman that is TS and explains his reluctance to pay what Swindon demand. And why he rubbishes the story released by journos that we have signed Garner because he wants the deal done on his terms and until that happens he doesn't want anyone else announcing it. 
    Perhaps he does, but it isn't up to him. The media doesn't work for him and doesn't take his instructions. Neither should it.
    Really @Airman Brown !  You're right to say the media don't work for TS, but viz a vie, TS has the right to deny a deal has been done, if indeed all the paperwork, comp, etc has not been signed. Works both ways, or are you saying if its published in the press it must be 100% true?
    As I said on my one and only previous post on this thread, if, technically, nothing had been signed then the deal is not done! 
    Bit like when a house is sold....a big SOLD sign goes up...in the small print underneath it nearly always says Subject to contract.
    Crawley has the right to publish what he knows, but he may not have known about any sticking points. It simple really!
    Again, Cawley's story is accurate. TS then claimed he was "still interviewing". 

    If people think a compensation negotiation about two second-tier employees is about hundreds of thousands then fair enough, but from their status and my knowledge of TS's other staffing negotiations I'd say it is more likely to be about tens of thousands and that doesn't justify taking two weeks to resolve, still less voiding the whole deal and starting again.

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