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Next manager - Ben Garner confirmed (p256)

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  • We sack Adkins (and have to pay him off) and then JJ who, in a matter of days, gets another job (but there is no compo due). We then have to wait weeks and weeks to get someone we want as his replacement with the issue being the level of compo.

    Perhaps it is the cost of and lack of return for our most recent managers that irks the businessman that is TS and explains his reluctance to pay what Swindon demand. And why he rubbishes the story released by journos that we have signed Garner because he wants the deal done on his terms and until that happens he doesn't want anyone else announcing it. 
  • Redrobo said:
    Redrobo said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
    As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously. 

    Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
    In which case you'll presumably agree there was no need for TS/RM to rubbish the stories in the media?
    I thought you said this morning that it had all been sorted out when Crawley published and now you are saying they are still negotiating on his back room staff. 
    To me that makes TS/RM completely right.
    If all aspects of the agreement have not been finalised it is clearly not a done deal.

    You can sign a contract to buy a house, but if the carpet and curtains you agreed were to be included are not there, the deal is off. You would be perfectly within your rights to walk away, and so can Garner.

    Maybe it would have been better if Cawley had used a few more words to describe exactly his understanding in the first place. Something along the lines that a deal had been agreed subject to his back room staff coming with him.
    Cawley's story is entirely consistent with your version. 
  • Redrobo said:
    Redrobo said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
    As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously. 

    Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
    In which case you'll presumably agree there was no need for TS/RM to rubbish the stories in the media?
    I thought you said this morning that it had all been sorted out when Crawley published and now you are saying they are still negotiating on his back room staff. 
    To me that makes TS/RM completely right.
    If all aspects of the agreement have not been finalised it is clearly not a done deal.

    You can sign a contract to buy a house, but if the carpet and curtains you agreed were to be included are not there, the deal is off. You would be perfectly within your rights to walk away, and so can Garner.

    Maybe it would have been better if Cawley had used a few more words to describe exactly his understanding in the first place. Something along the lines that a deal had been agreed subject to his back room staff coming with him.
    Cawley quite clearly stated it was Garner who had agreed a deal. No mention of the backroom staff. This ties in with other snippets we’re hearing of Garner being at the training ground etc. Cawley wasn’t the only one to report this remember. Swindon press, TalkSport and The Athletic all did too. 
  • J BLOCK said:
    Swisdom said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    Since then the rest of the teams seasons have finished.  EVERYONE in football has gone away.  Pre season starts up again in a fortnight.  The recruitment team have continued working. 

    We haven’t missed out on anything particularly exciting 

    It’s not exactly unheard of.  Not perfect but not as outlandish as you might think 

    Let’s see where we are at the end of the week 
    1) Not everyone in football has gone away a number of teams are making decisions on players and welcoming new signings. 

    2) Recruitment team are doing what exactly? No player will sign without a manager in place and who's to say any new manager will want them?

    3) To think we are not behind other teams in the league in terms of preparation is naive. 


    If Garner is indeed a done deal but just not announced then who’s to say he’s not already actively working with the recruitment team on targets and is happy for his name being used in that process ? 
  • edited June 2022
    J BLOCK said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it. 
    Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season. 
    Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.  
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  • CH4RLTON said:
    What’s interesting to me is everyone seems to be giving TS a real hard time over the length of time this is taking, but what if it’s purely down to the swindon mob asking for unrealistic compo? Is TS supposed just pay it and do himself out of a couple of hundred k for no reason , or play the waiting game, I know what i’d do if it was my money 
    I think there wouldn’t be half as much annoyance if he wasn’t texting fans on LinkedIn and constantly trying to control the narrative. 
  • J BLOCK said:
    Swisdom said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    Since then the rest of the teams seasons have finished.  EVERYONE in football has gone away.  Pre season starts up again in a fortnight.  The recruitment team have continued working. 

    We haven’t missed out on anything particularly exciting 

    It’s not exactly unheard of.  Not perfect but not as outlandish as you might think 

    Let’s see where we are at the end of the week 
    1) Not everyone in football has gone away a number of teams are making decisions on players and welcoming new signings. 

    2) Recruitment team are doing what exactly? No player will sign without a manager in place and who's to say any new manager will want them?

    3) To think we are not behind other teams in the league in terms of preparation is naive. 


    Well we have signed Marquis already just not announced, according to a few sources. Whether you consider that good news or not, our recruitment team ARE working, HAVE had input from Garner, and players WILL sign knowing Garner is the manager (and probably would regardless if the package was right for them).
  • edited June 2022
    J BLOCK said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it. 
    Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season. 
    Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.  
    Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th. 

    Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing. 

    Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing. 
  • I think that's the consensus but how much there is to haggle over is unclear. These guys are unlikely to be on £100k pa, so the negotiation will probably be in the £10ks. Obviously you want the best deal, but relative to the football budget it's not going to be a huge difference.
    Exactly what i was thinking, it's not as if we're trying to poach Klopp. These are league 2 coaching staff.
  • We sack Adkins (and have to pay him off) and then JJ who, in a matter of days, gets another job (but there is no compo due). We then have to wait weeks and weeks to get someone we want as his replacement with the issue being the level of compo.

    Perhaps it is the cost of and lack of return for our most recent managers that irks the businessman that is TS and explains his reluctance to pay what Swindon demand. And why he rubbishes the story released by journos that we have signed Garner because he wants the deal done on his terms and until that happens he doesn't want anyone else announcing it. 
    Perhaps he does, but it isn't up to him. The media doesn't work for him and doesn't take his instructions. Neither should it.
    I never said the media should. It's just how I see his and his wife's take on things hence their denials. I'm sure if Cawley enjoyed the sort of relationship with TS that Cawley has had with some of our managers he would be privy to the full story but would have been asked not to release certain things at least until the time was right to do so. Or doesn't that ever happen?


  • Redrobo said:
    Redrobo said:
    My mate is getting bored with me asking questions, but got the following this AM. Sounds like the imminent word could be appropriate.

    Sandergaard is in the country so it should be announced soon. As before. Garner is a done deal and they are dotting I's and crossing t's on the other two. Compo debate on going but not miles apart.
    Interesting because that is what Conor is also saying:

    I thought it was all done when Cawley said it was?
    As always, it's not a huge conspiracy, just charlton busy bodies whinging while it's in process and Garner has already input his thoughts into recruitment with Gallen and we've been working on that simultaneously. 

    Drama queens a plenty in our fanbase.
    In which case you'll presumably agree there was no need for TS/RM to rubbish the stories in the media?
    I thought you said this morning that it had all been sorted out when Crawley published and now you are saying they are still negotiating on his back room staff. 
    To me that makes TS/RM completely right.
    If all aspects of the agreement have not been finalised it is clearly not a done deal.

    You can sign a contract to buy a house, but if the carpet and curtains you agreed were to be included are not there, the deal is off. You would be perfectly within your rights to walk away, and so can Garner.

    Maybe it would have been better if Cawley had used a few more words to describe exactly his understanding in the first place. Something along the lines that a deal had been agreed subject to his back room staff coming with him.
    Cawley quite clearly stated it was Garner who had agreed a deal. No mention of the backroom staff. This ties in with other snippets we’re hearing of Garner being at the training ground etc. Cawley wasn’t the only one to report this remember. Swindon press, TalkSport and The Athletic all did too. 
    Not quite the case


  • This is fun so far - P249, still no confirmed manager, and a bit worried about the playing staff for next season, but no idea what’s happening there, so hopefully Bale and about 6 others incoming (Richarlison is looking for a move) to create the semblance of a mid table 3rd tier first XI.  But what is fun is watching the pro Sandgaard faction taking every opposite opinion or concern as an horrific attack on the family and making their contempt of any perceived slight very clear by…..moaning…..about the moaning.  This thread could outlast the manager, the season’s signings and even the unlikely event we get anywhere near the top 8, and could still be a source of circular moaning for years to come!
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  • There’s a picture emerging … 🤔
  • J BLOCK said:
    J BLOCK said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it. 
    Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season. 
    Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.  
    Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th. 

    Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing. 

    Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing. 
    I'll have a wager with you now that we finish above Fleetwood...
  • J BLOCK said:
    J BLOCK said:
    J BLOCK said:
    I’m not trying to make an impatient point here but if you’d of told me this time last month Jackson will make his first signing in a new job before we named his successor I wouldn't of believed it. 
    Nearly 5 weeks, and people defend it. Total circus. 
    I’m defending or attacking it, it’s just a little surprising to me, but if his tactic is to make sure it’s the absolute right one then so be it. 
    Doesn't take a semi competent league one club 5 weeks to appoint a manager, in the off season. 
    Why though? What’s wrong with negotiating a deal to suit us as well as them, if I could drag the purchase of something expensive out to save a few quid I probably would, it’s not critical right now, I’ll admit I was nervous but I don’t see why haggling over compensation makes us incompetent.  
    Because we fucked up last season due to our inactivity all summer and lack of preparation. Jackson has been sacked nearly 5 weeks ago, seemingly without any sort of succession plan as we still have no manager on June 7th. 

    Since Jackson has left, he's gone on holiday, interviewed for / got a new job, and made his first signing. 

    Fleetwood sacked their manager May 4th, they have a new manager in place and have already made their first signing. 
    I'll have a wager with you now that we finish above Fleetwood...
    I'm going all in, and afc Wimbledon 
  • _MrDick said:


    There’s a picture emerging … 🤔
    It will take about another billion posts to get to it though, proper impressionist stuff as well.
  • I think that's the consensus but how much there is to haggle over is unclear. These guys are unlikely to be on £100k pa, so the negotiation will probably be in the £10ks. Obviously you want the best deal, but relative to the football budget it's not going to be a huge difference.
    Exactly what i was thinking, it's not as if we're trying to poach Klopp. These are league 2 coaching staff.
    Very true, but it all adds up. TS had to agree compo with Swindon re Garner and then negotiate personal terms, which  would have been higher than they were at Swindon, before doing the same with the other two.
  • Twenty new pages since I last skimmed through this. I'm happy to see the Martin Sandgaard stuff seems to have gone elsewhere, and the debate seems to be around managerial appointments. I genuinely hope in twenty pages time, we have a confirmed appointment (frankly, Garner wasn't on my radar but I'm happy to see us start with him now) and let's hope for some squad rebuilding to follow.

    And not the Swindon squad as a job lot  :D
  • Can someone more informed than me explain how a deal on compensation may work.

    In my head I just see it as the classic

    ‘10,000’
    ’5,000’
    ’7,500’ 
    Deal

    Sort of situation. 

    But presume it’s more than just a numbers game if it takes this long. 
    If it's like The Apprentice, Thomas will be negotiating the price as the leader of Team Infinity, when another member of the team will interrupt him with a final number to claim credit for doing the deal.

    Followed by Thomas moaning to the camera about Steve Gallen jumping in like that, and that he would have got a better deal by himself. And bringing it up again with Lord Sugar in the Boardroom slanging match the next day.
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