We have some right tits for fans on social media, Twitter in particular.
Loads of posts about ‘cheap option’ when we paid compensation to get him and have heard he was the prime candidate. The cheap option would have been Euell or a manager out of work. Who else did these people expect? Sean Dyche?
We have to be one of the most entitled fan bases surely
These should be his first 2 signings before anything else is done
I think TS realises that and is just playing crafty.
Much like RD TS doesn't like employing managers who want to bring their own backroom, as it's double bubble when he sacks them. I suspect it's more to do with the restrictive contracts he's offering.
As you know what TS is thinking and what contracts he's offering I hope you can you tell us all the signings we'll be making.
Are we buying any players?
The biggest shock for me today was Gallen saying we had over 100 applicants for the Managers role, clearly that's why it took so long, that's a lot of CV's to go through........
& in sandgaards interview I believe he said that we had about 40 applications.
There are plenty of serial applications. People who play Football Manager etc. they send in a cv that needs to be filtered out but is still regarded as an application. Over 100 of these
then those with genuine experience but who may not at all right for us - but still need to be checked. So maybe 40 of those
a shortlist of those who are worth a chat. 10-12 of those
but only one chosen. Ben Garner is our man.
Rather than split the minutiae of everything that gets said - perhaps we just move forwards now
Not entirely sure about this appointment. Swindon fans seem very non -plexed. I suppose in the greater scheme of things they didn't see enough of him to make a measured judgement.
Bit of a gamble by TS and if this one blows up in his face I'm really not sure what happens next.
Welcome Ben Garner, got an extremely good feeling about this.
Reckon we are gonna win by some big scorelines and look like a real dominant side.
You’ll have to excuse me as I read a lot of posts, but a regular poster made an excellent point earlier. The last load of managers we have had sort of just fell into managing or did it for the sake of it, we have an experienced, passionate coach here who has been employed by reputable clubs and developed players. I reckon we will see some real improvement in our players individually and I can’t wait to see how we look on the first day of the season
You need good players to be dominant and play attacking football .
Just had a chance to watch the three interviews on YouTube. Very pleased with all of them.
- Garner speaks well, calm demeanour, knows what needs to be done. Looking forward to seeing what the team looks like in a couple of months time.
- Gallen set a few rumours straight re: our transfer policy etc. Good to hear it from him, a face and name that the fanbase as a whole respects.
- Sandgaard’s switch of focus is undeniable. Not more talk of blowing the league out of the water. Every decision is being made to help give the team the best foundations and the best opportunity to gain as many points as they can.
Whether it all pans out, we’ll find out by summer 2023 but I can’t poke holes in anything the club put out today.
Welcome Ben Garner. Hopefully it’s a long and successful era.
I wonder who the experienced managers who have premier league experience were who made it to the last 5/6 shortlist that TS mentioned?
Immaterial now but…
Gary Monk? Tony Pulis? Tim Sherwood? Stuart Pearce?
Welcome Ben Garner, got an extremely good feeling about this.
Reckon we are gonna win by some big scorelines and look like a real dominant side.
You’ll have to excuse me as I read a lot of posts, but a regular poster made an excellent point earlier. The last load of managers we have had sort of just fell into managing or did it for the sake of it, we have an experienced, passionate coach here who has been employed by reputable clubs and developed players. I reckon we will see some real improvement in our players individually and I can’t wait to see how we look on the first day of the season
You need good players to be dominant and play attacking football .
And we already have 5-7 before we have even got down to business, if he can get a side like Swindon playing ball with minimal investment, I’m sure he can get a side like ours playing with an owner who puts his money where his mouth is
On another note, watching the TS interviews? Is he having a pop at JJ/Stockley? Obviously there’s whispers of Stockley wanting out and Wednesday being linked by one of their local journos, TS says something along the lines of ‘the days of knocking it up to a big striker are over’. Feels like a bit of a pop when you consider that was our previous managers style and our main strikers strength..
I am not opposed to selling Stockley if it means it makes way for other strikers who have looked good like Alfie May or Stockton.
Get the feeling based on our owner, manager and style we we trying to implement that Stockley will be off
Here's the chant I've been working on, to be sung raucously to
the tune of ‘David Pleat’s
A Pervert’, or
should I say ‘My Old Man’s a Dustman’,
🎵 Ben Garner's No Nigel, He's Proper Charlton Now, He F***ing Hates the Eagles, Says he'd rather be a Cow. (Moooooo!) 🎵
Drawing
out chanting ‘Moo!’ at the end appeals to my infantile
sense of humour and the kids can join in with it. I can’t see it
catching on, but ‘Goodbye Horse!’ mysteriously
did back in the day.
Anyway,
why not try it out at home and see what the missus thinks, those
preferring more moderate language substituting “F***ing Hates”
with “Doesn’t Like,” although it loses
something in the delivery I find.
If sung loudly enough, he might even look over to milk it.
No! Alright I'll get my coat then and withdraw my application for the post of Poet Laureate.
Insert clown for cow
clowns don't moo...
You're not wrong, and without the (moo..) the whole thing falls apart.
Instead of 'cow' I tried using 'sow', but grunting doesn't work as well and might offend the local constabulary.
Besides, I don't want to see our own BeeGee wearing big red shoes and making us out to be a 🤣OXO.
Gallen confirms that for every transfer since Sandgaard has come in, theManager has been asked does he want them or not.
Some people on this thread should hang their head in shame.
Recruitment process is completely clarified in Gallen's interview for those interested.
For some balance I’d add that I know there were players being put forward by Adkins and Jackson last summer that were being vetoed by TS as he didn’t think they were good enough, so the process didn’t seem to work both ways.
As someone mentioned further up Adkins didn’t fancy Dobson, but he was signed anyway. Asking the manager whether he wanted the player didn’t stop TS signing the player.
Of course they may have made changes to that process since last summer and if they have then great.
I don’t think people should ‘hang their heads in shame’. People are right to be wary about the club’s recruitment after the way it’s panned out over the last year. But, again, if lessons have been learnt and changes made to it then good.
Brilliant. Bloke has paid compo for a new manager, we have had confirmation from Gallen how things are running, our owner has once again shown that he wants what’s right for us and is trying to do the right things, yet people still feel the need to say how he should conduct himself
Classy fanbase.
Count your lucky stars it isn’t someone like me as an owner, cause if I read the amount of insults being hurled at myself and my family, despite showing my best interests I’d be having a fire sale and be boshing us off to the next lot of con artists for a couple of quid.
Welcome Ben Garner, got an extremely good feeling about this.
Reckon we are gonna win by some big scorelines and look like a real dominant side.
You’ll have to excuse me as I read a lot of posts, but a regular poster made an excellent point earlier. The last load of managers we have had sort of just fell into managing or did it for the sake of it, we have an experienced, passionate coach here who has been employed by reputable clubs and developed players. I reckon we will see some real improvement in our players individually and I can’t wait to see how we look on the first day of the season
You need good players to be dominant and play attacking football .
And we already have 5-7 before we have even got down to business, if he can get a side like Swindon playing ball with minimal investment, I’m sure he can get a side like ours playing with an owner who puts his money where his mouth is
I'd love to be optimistic, although innate pessimism does mean that you are pleasantly surprised a lot. I don't see the 5-7 though. I can see CBT playing in an attacking side, plus Dobbo as insurance. I can't see any of our strikers playing in a high tempo, high pressing side. JFC would be good enough if he can stay fit; jury massively out on Fraser/Kirk etc.
Interesting interviews from the Comms team. Busy day for them. Well done. Hope to see a lot more of that.
The senior management seem to be trying to explain in more detail how the recruitment works and who does what, possibly in response to criticism.
Certainly Martin Sandgaard’s role is being slightly downplayed from previous remarks.
Whether that is just a clarification or a change as a result of lessons learnt and/or Garner getting a bigger say I'm not sure.
It's a move forward for me in that we didn't have a manager and now we do. And potentially a very good one. Time will tell but he does, to repeat the cliche, tick a lot of boxes.
I think his two coaches will also come but TS rightly playing that down while still negotiating with them and Swindon.
But maybe Swindon will offer them their vacant managers gig?
Also Gallen being front and centre and very much involved is a big positive for me.
He's a proven successful recruiter when allowed to do his job.
Note how he completely failed to acknowledge Driesen. That was because Gallen and Bowyer very effectively "managed up" with the Driesen.
I hope Gallen and Garner can do the same with the Sandgaards.
Just had a chance to watch the three interviews on YouTube. Very pleased with all of them.
- Garner speaks well, calm demeanour, knows what needs to be done. Looking forward to seeing what the team looks like in a couple of months time.
- Gallen set a few rumours straight re: our transfer policy etc. Good to hear it from him, a face and name that the fanbase as a whole respects.
- Sandgaard’s switch of focus is undeniable. Not more talk of blowing the league out of the water. Every decision is being made to help give the team the best foundations and the best opportunity to gain as many points as they can.
Whether it all pans out, we’ll find out by summer 2023 but I can’t poke holes in anything the club put out today.
Welcome Ben Garner. Hopefully it’s a long and successful era.
I wonder who the experienced managers who have premier league experience were who made it to the last 5/6 shortlist that TS mentioned?
Immaterial now but…
Gary Monk? Tony Pulis? Tim Sherwood? Stuart Pearce?
Others might be John Terry, Jonathan Woodgate?
Not important now but interesting.
He also said some on the final shortlist have taken other jobs. Assume Beale is one of those, not sure who the others would be, not that it matters now.
To the tune of Lee Lee Lee Bow-yer it will be Ben Ben Ben Gar-ner which will be a bit of a low in creativity. If the fans want the manager to up our game, then Garner has the right to expect the fans to up their game in chants.
Welcome Ben Garner, got an extremely good feeling about this.
Reckon we are gonna win by some big scorelines and look like a real dominant side.
You’ll have to excuse me as I read a lot of posts, but a regular poster made an excellent point earlier. The last load of managers we have had sort of just fell into managing or did it for the sake of it, we have an experienced, passionate coach here who has been employed by reputable clubs and developed players. I reckon we will see some real improvement in our players individually and I can’t wait to see how we look on the first day of the season
You need good players to be dominant and play attacking football .
And we already have 5-7 before we have even got down to business, if he can get a side like Swindon playing ball with minimal investment, I’m sure he can get a side like ours playing with an owner who puts his money where his mouth is
I'd love to be optimistic, although innate pessimism does mean that you are pleasantly surprised a lot. I don't see the 5-7 though. I can see CBT playing in an attacking side, plus Dobbo as insurance. I can't see any of our strikers playing in a high tempo, high pressing side. JFC would be good enough if he can stay fit; jury massively out on Fraser/Kirk etc.
that’s fair enough mate. The 4 I think without a doubt are good enough are; Dobson, CBT, JFC and Fraser. Then you can make arguments that Stockley, Innis, Lavelle are good players and even Morgan/DJ/Kirk could be good players in the right setting. Only time will tell. I am certainly more glass half full if that helps haha
Good interviews, certainly, and Garner comes across as a bright guy who knows what he is talking about.
However, to achieve the vision of effective high press attacking football in this division requires good athletic players, with strong mentalities who are probably younger too. This will not come cheap and we need 5 or 6 of this ilk who can walk straight into the 1st team.
Good interviews, certainly, and Garner comes across as a bright guy who knows what he is talking about.
However, to achieve the vision of effective high press attacking football in this division requires good athletic players, with strong mentalities who are probably younger too. This will not come cheap and we need 5 or 6 of this ilk who can walk straight into the 1st team.
Not entirely true. Coaching and tactics play a big part as well. Things like starting position, closing off passing routes, and acting in unity are important.
I would also argue that the attributes you list apply are basic requirements for any footballer we would want to see at our Club.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.
Right. So it's now official and he's come out and said how he wants to play. I don't think there's many fans who don't want to see us play in a more attractive manner. To see us play with players who are confident of having the ball. Players who actually want the ball.
All we, as fans, need to remember is there will be times it doesn't work. There will be times we concede goals from "fucking about with it" and times where we won't just "knock it forwards" but as BG himself has said, we want to change the ethos of the club and to play like this throughout the ages groups. The U18's particularly play nice and neat football and take the occasional risks and anyone who has seen them in the last couple of seasons has said how refreshing they are to watch. Won't it be nice if the first team can replicate that!
I particularly like the way he says we will have a style of play that is the same both home and away. It's now going to be up to the opposition to nullify us whereas we have been far too predictable previously. I look forward to seeing us playing it around the opponents and watching them get knackered and watching players like JFC and Fraser pulling the strings. I also wonder if BG will be able to harness Albie Morgan and get the best value out of him
Obviously there will need to be a number of new bodies and a change in the way the existing ones train and play but if it improves them, and us, I'm all for it.
I'm mildly excited and hope he gets a bit of time and patience, from fans and TS alike, to deliver
We played a similar style under Bowyer at times, especially in our promotion season.
No we didn’t. We had players breaking forward quickly and scored a lot of goals on the counter. At no point under bowyer were we playing patient, intricate football
The 45 minutes v Forest at The Valley?
The football geeks(proud to wear that badge) on CL agreed it was the best passing and link up play we had seen for ? We will say decades. Now that 1st half was brilliant but when Forest finally woke up in the 2nd half the game ended up 1-1.
It was great that the rose coloured glasses were on yesterday, even by Golfie and the reality is that we want to emulate the excellent passing side of Brighton under Gus Poyet that totally out played Charlton at the Valley in League 1 and WON, also Bournemouth that played an attacking game under Howe and had an identity as they rose up the divisions which culminated in that master class at the valley with their Championship win.
If we win like Rotherham managed in League 1 in a functional manner it's not going to be enough for many judging by the comments on CL. And they are playing in the Championship before coming right back down again.
It's can't just be possession football as we had 67% against Morecambe but we gave away 3 bad goals so our 2 goals from good build up play counted for nothing.
I would love it, really love it(thanks Kevin) if we could have an identity under Garner and play some sweet passing moves and Score but you know that the old clichés of Tatically naive and no plan B will be seen on CL or heard at the ground when we get hit in transition and lose games as night follows day.
Enjoy the Honey moon Ben Garner because the Charlton crowd turn quicker than Johan Cruyff in his pomp. It's 100% support from me as this journey to the promised land takes place on good and bad result days.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.
Karel Fraeye joined from VW Hamme, a Belgian third tier club at the time and not part of Roland’s network.
If only someone could do a summary of the verbatim quotes from Thomas Sandgaard and a Bona fide Journalist on the SLP or the Swindon roundabout sports advertiser but not posters who say they have a mate who told them or folk on the internet called Sausage or Conor just in case it turns out to be attention seekers who just rehash what they hear from each other.
Both Airman Brown and buttleJR are good sources as the former has a track record of garnering info from the inner circle over the years and the latter has a connection with Thomas who tells him information which may be smoke and mirrors but young JR passes on in good faith.
There is only one person who is a course and distance winner in this skill on CL ?
I call for super woman @aliwibble to separate out the wheat from the chaff.
Thankfully things have moved on since you posted that this morning @soapboxsam, cos my brain is mush at the moment, so I've generally been skipping big chunks of this thread. And that was before the dodgy perm posts started.
Ali, I'm so pleased the impasse finished and you never have to start an abridged version that you undertook when breaking down the Guinness book of records thread. Your green perm will never be mentioned again. Cheers.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.
Karel Fraeye joined from VW Hamme, a Belgian third tier club at the time and not part of Roland’s network.
The event which explains our fierce rivalry with VW Hamme, whose fans still haven’t forgiven us.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.
Karel Fraeye joined from VW Hamme, a Belgian third tier club at the time and not part of Roland’s network.
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Welcome Ben, cant wait to watch some fast paced attacking football.
We have to be one of the most entitled fan bases surely
has he got that bit of steel to deal with a certain breed of footballer , let’s hope so
about time Gallen got some more Bielik and Cullens in rather than the recent dross
hopefully he gets the coaching support he used at Swindon and not BRFC (someone will now tell me it’s the same people!)
welcome Joel , you thought the inbreds from Swindon were a freak show , you ain’t seen nothing yet !
then those with genuine experience but who may not at all right for us - but still need to be checked. So maybe 40 of those
a shortlist of those who are worth a chat. 10-12 of those
but only one chosen. Ben Garner is our man.
Bit of a gamble by TS and if this one blows up in his face I'm really not sure what happens next.
Immaterial now but…
Gary Monk?
Tony Pulis?
Tim Sherwood?
Stuart Pearce?
Others might be John Terry, Jonathan Woodgate?
I am not opposed to selling Stockley if it means it makes way for other strikers who have looked good like Alfie May or Stockton.
Get the feeling based on our owner, manager and style we we trying to implement that Stockley will be off
Instead of 'cow' I tried using 'sow', but grunting doesn't work as well and might offend the local constabulary.
Besides, I don't want to see our own BeeGee wearing big red shoes and making us out to be a 🤣OXO.
As someone mentioned further up Adkins didn’t fancy Dobson, but he was signed anyway. Asking the manager whether he wanted the player didn’t stop TS signing the player.
Of course they may have made changes to that process since last summer and if they have then great.
I don’t think people should ‘hang their heads in shame’. People are right to be wary about the club’s recruitment after the way it’s panned out over the last year. But, again, if lessons have been learnt and changes made to it then good.
The senior management seem to be trying to explain in more detail how the recruitment works and who does what, possibly in response to criticism.
Whether that is just a clarification or a change as a result of lessons learnt and/or Garner getting a bigger say I'm not sure.
But maybe Swindon will offer them their vacant managers gig?
He's a proven successful recruiter when allowed to do his job.
Note how he completely failed to acknowledge Driesen. That was because Gallen and Bowyer very effectively "managed up" with the Driesen.
I hope Gallen and Garner can do the same with the Sandgaards.
If the fans want the manager to up our game, then Garner has the right to expect the fans to up their game in chants.
However, to achieve the vision of effective high press attacking football in this division requires good athletic players, with strong mentalities who are probably younger too. This will not come cheap and we need 5 or 6 of this ilk who can walk straight into the 1st team.
I would also argue that the attributes you list apply are basic requirements for any footballer we would want to see at our Club.
When was the last time we took a in work manager from another club?
Dowie had resigned, the Belgian network moving the deckchairs on the Titanic doesn't count.
Tarbuck was unemployed as were Slade, Mullery and Parkinson, Jacko and Bowyer inhouse as were Bailey, Craggs, Lawrence, Curbs and Gritt, Firmani and Foley. Powell was employed but as a coach not a manager.
So I make it that the last manager we took from another club was Andy Nelson in 1974!
Before that I'm not sure about Stokoe but otherwise it might be Jimmy Seed.
The football geeks(proud to wear that badge) on CL agreed it was the best passing and link up play we had seen for ? We will say decades.
Now that 1st half was brilliant but when Forest finally woke up in the 2nd half the game ended up 1-1.
It was great that the rose coloured glasses were on yesterday, even by Golfie and the reality is that we want to emulate the excellent passing side of Brighton under Gus Poyet that totally out played Charlton at the Valley in League 1 and WON, also Bournemouth that played an attacking game under Howe and had an identity as they rose up the divisions which culminated in that master class at the valley with their Championship win.
If we win like Rotherham managed in League 1 in a functional manner it's not going to be enough for many judging by the comments on CL. And they are playing in the Championship before coming right back down again.
It's can't just be possession football as we had 67% against Morecambe but we gave away 3 bad goals so our 2 goals from good build up play counted for nothing.
I would love it, really love it(thanks Kevin) if we could have an identity under Garner and play some sweet passing moves and Score but you know that the old clichés of Tatically naive and no plan B will be seen on CL or heard at the ground when we get hit in transition and lose games as night follows day.
Enjoy the Honey moon Ben Garner because the Charlton crowd turn quicker than Johan Cruyff in his pomp.
It's 100% support from me as this journey to the promised land takes place on good and bad result days.
Ali, I'm so pleased the impasse finished and you never have to start an abridged version that you undertook when breaking down the Guinness book of records thread. Your green perm will never be mentioned again.
Cheers.