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  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,286
    jakecafc said:
    I'd go for Manning if MK don't go up.
    I believe it's spelt Mainwaring ..... Stupid boy !  :D

  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,218
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I don't want Warburton he is too old.  He is a full year older than the average age of this years champions league finalists. 

    /sarcasm

    I really don't buy into this yesterday's man nonsense.  Some times managers have success, or failer, due to fluke circumstances.  But good managers are good managers.  Out of the 92 only a dozen or so can be successful at anyone time.  That doesn't make the other 80 bad.

    Of course there are some bad managers, of course we have had some, but most are victims of circumstances. 
    I wonder how many of the people who don't want an old manager have also been clamouring for Curbs to come back as manager or DoF
  • paulfox
    paulfox Posts: 2,356
    charltonbob said:
    jakecafc said:
    I'd go for Manning if MK don't go up.
    I believe it's spelt Mainwaring ..... Stupid boy !  :D

    DON’T PANIC!!!!!!!   
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,830
    edited May 2022
    England U20 manager Andy Edwards (with Euell working as his assistant)

    England U19 manager Ian Foster

    These are two that should be in consideration IMO.
  • iainambler
    iainambler Posts: 964
    eaststandmike said:
    Gravesend_Addick said:
    Sandgaard's comments since the announcement worry me. He's getting too involved in the running of the team. 

    Talking about high press & defensive blocks like he knows what he's talking about.

    It's a worrying sign.

    The recruitment strategy worries me too. Don't think the manager has much say. I cant see the club progressing until he changes his approach & starts putting the team above his own ego

    Why can't we just be a normal football club??
    I got shouted down, laughed at and told I was talking shite when I said TS was too involved in the team a couple of months back.

    The same happened when I said his wife was too involved as well, watch this space on that one.
    Will Mrs Sandgaard be in charge of the vol-au-vents? Someone has to pick up the baton from Sue Parkes?
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Garrymanilow said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    I don't want Warburton he is too old.  He is a full year older than the average age of this years champions league finalists. 

    /sarcasm

    I really don't buy into this yesterday's man nonsense.  Some times managers have success, or failer, due to fluke circumstances.  But good managers are good managers.  Out of the 92 only a dozen or so can be successful at anyone time.  That doesn't make the other 80 bad.

    Of course there are some bad managers, of course we have had some, but most are victims of circumstances. 
    I wonder how many of the people who don't want an old manager have also been clamouring for Curbs to come back as manager or DoF
    Well earlier we had Adkins lost touch with modern football, because he was outside of the game for 18 months.  Yet the solution was Curbs as DOF.  This was all in favour of Warburton who had, you guessed it, 18 months out of the game, before the QPR job.

    Twist it, ignore facts, anything for an agenda.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,097
    Callumcafc said:
    Warburton did very well at both Brentford and Rangers.

    Less so during his six months at Forest and then it's been bumpy couple of years with QPR who started this season very brightly but faded away quickly.
    Brentford i agree with but saying he did very well at Rangers is questionable. He was there 18 months and for the first season of that they were in the championship. Getting Rangers out of the championship should be the bare minimum requirement. He was let go the following season when they were about 20 points behind Celtic by January.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,097
    That said Warburton does seem to fit the bill.

    Championship experience - check
    Got a team out of this division - check
    Plays decent football - check
    Won't be employed soon so no compensation - check

    And if Sandgaard is saying it might take a week or more to confirm the new manager then that would also work, as QPR's season isn't over yet.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,517
    All these wacky suggestioms and combinations .....

    Just employ a (proven?) manager, let him bring his own staff in. And let him make the changes as he sees fit (4/5 out, 4/5 in).

    Top half finish next term and go for promotion the following. 

    No unrealistic goals. No Jason Euell. No Lee Bowyer. No Curbs 16/1

    Just a conventional NEW person with some sort of decent credentials.




  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,149
    Leuth said:
    Farke is my dream choice tbh
    Dream on

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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Warburton did very well at both Brentford and Rangers.

    Less so during his six months at Forest and then it's been bumpy couple of years with QPR who started this season very brightly but faded away quickly.
    Brentford i agree with but saying he did very well at Rangers is questionable. He was there 18 months and for the first season of that they were in the championship. Getting Rangers out of the championship should be the bare minimum requirement. He was let go the following season when they were about 20 points behind Celtic by January.
    On paper it looks like he did a reasonable job at Rangers. 

    But what was the wage bill compared to Celtic's?  What injuries did he have to cope with?  Did the club sign good enough players?  If not who's fault was that?  What other mitigating circumstances were there?


  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,149
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Warburton did very well at both Brentford and Rangers.

    Less so during his six months at Forest and then it's been bumpy couple of years with QPR who started this season very brightly but faded away quickly.
    Brentford i agree with but saying he did very well at Rangers is questionable. He was there 18 months and for the first season of that they were in the championship. Getting Rangers out of the championship should be the bare minimum requirement. He was let go the following season when they were about 20 points behind Celtic by January.
    On paper it looks like he did a reasonable job at Rangers. 

    But what was the wage bill compared to Celtic's?  What injuries did he have to cope with?  Did the club sign good enough players?  If not who's fault was that?  What other mitigating circumstances were there?


    Well they’d been relegated previously hadn’t they so weren’t exactly competing with Celtic, even after they got promoted. 
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    The Red Robin said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Callumcafc said:
    Warburton did very well at both Brentford and Rangers.

    Less so during his six months at Forest and then it's been bumpy couple of years with QPR who started this season very brightly but faded away quickly.
    Brentford i agree with but saying he did very well at Rangers is questionable. He was there 18 months and for the first season of that they were in the championship. Getting Rangers out of the championship should be the bare minimum requirement. He was let go the following season when they were about 20 points behind Celtic by January.
    On paper it looks like he did a reasonable job at Rangers. 

    But what was the wage bill compared to Celtic's?  What injuries did he have to cope with?  Did the club sign good enough players?  If not who's fault was that?  What other mitigating circumstances were there?


    Well they’d been relegated previously hadn’t they so weren’t exactly competing with Celtic, even after they got promoted. 
    Well quite.  The "stats" without context are pretty useless when looking at a managers previous record.
  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,664
    addick1956 said:
    Mortimerwasgod said:
    Genuinely would go for Mick McCarthy. People will say old school and should retire, but only 63 (don't be ageist), promotion at Sunderland and Wolves, play off with Ipswich, did ok with Cardiff. Somehow made ROI competitive and always come across as honest and engaging. I think young and hungry always sounds great on paper, but IMHO he'd command respect and discipline.
    Ipswich fans we spoke to on Saturday said Mccarthy's football was dire to watch and gates dropped off. 
    Gates dropped off, impressive.
  • AddickRam
    AddickRam Posts: 471
    https://youtu.be/s-tOCntZHAM

    Michael Beale - Talking though his coaching journey. 

    The more I look into him, the more I think we regret not getting him in. Especially thinking beyond league one. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    AddickRam said:
    https://youtu.be/s-tOCntZHAM

    Michael Beale - Talking though his coaching journey. 

    The more I look into him, the more I think we regret not getting him in. Especially thinking beyond league one. 
    If he’s interested that is ?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,734
    Or if Villa are happy to let him go... 
  • tricky
    tricky Posts: 1,291
    My choice would be anyone who doesn't ever use the phrase "the football club".
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Mendonca In Asdas said:
    addick1956 said:
    Mortimerwasgod said:
    Genuinely would go for Mick McCarthy. People will say old school and should retire, but only 63 (don't be ageist), promotion at Sunderland and Wolves, play off with Ipswich, did ok with Cardiff. Somehow made ROI competitive and always come across as honest and engaging. I think young and hungry always sounds great on paper, but IMHO he'd command respect and discipline.
    Ipswich fans we spoke to on Saturday said Mccarthy's football was dire to watch and gates dropped off. 
    Gates dropped off, impressive.
    Gates?  He must have been nearly 70 when Mccarthy was at Ipswich.  A miracle if he was still in the team.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,097
    Sure this has been posted before but this a great article on Beale.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56298826

    The best quote from Gerrard about him is:

    "It would take me 15 to 20 years to become as good as Michael Beale as an on-pitch coach, delivering sessions on a daily basis, so I let Mick be Mick because he's the expert."

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  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,835
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Sure this has been posted before but this a great article on Beale.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56298826

    The best quote from Gerrard about him is:

    "It would take me 15 to 20 years to become as good as Michael Beale as an on-pitch coach, delivering sessions on a daily basis, so I let Mick be Mick because he's the expert."
    Which is why they will never let him go .  Ludicrous to suggest that he will come anywhere near us .  
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,965
    Gribbo said:
    All these wacky suggestioms and combinations .....

    Just employ a (proven?) manager, let him bring his own staff in. And let him make the changes as he sees fit (4/5 out, 4/5 in).

    Top half finish next term and go for promotion the following. 

    No unrealistic goals. No Jason Euell. No Lee Bowyer. No Curbs 16/1

    Just a conventional NEW person with some sort of decent credentials.




    Top half? We were only one place off 12th this season! No way will Thomas or the fans accept a season of mid table mediocrity
  • I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY
    I-SAW-POUSO-PLAY Posts: 4,609
    My choices would be a Robbo return, Michael Beale or SCP with Dyer and Matthews
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    tricky said:
    My choice would be anyone who doesn't ever use the phrase "the football club".
    Agreed - it should be “the shit show”
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,432
    edited May 2022
    AddickRam said:
    https://youtu.be/s-tOCntZHAM

    Michael Beale - Talking though his coaching journey. 

    The more I look into him, the more I think we regret not getting him in. Especially thinking beyond league one. 
    Mentioned the nfl, done deal for Beale?
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    wmcf123 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Sure this has been posted before but this a great article on Beale.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56298826

    The best quote from Gerrard about him is:

    "It would take me 15 to 20 years to become as good as Michael Beale as an on-pitch coach, delivering sessions on a daily basis, so I let Mick be Mick because he's the expert."
    Which is why they will never let him go .  Ludicrous to suggest that he will come anywhere near us .  
    You do realise Villa don’t have him chained up. He’s not a slave and if he want to leave there’s not too much they can do about it. 
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,517
    killerandflash said:
    Gribbo said:
    All these wacky suggestioms and combinations .....

    Just employ a (proven?) manager, let him bring his own staff in. And let him make the changes as he sees fit (4/5 out, 4/5 in).

    Top half finish next term and go for promotion the following. 

    No unrealistic goals. No Jason Euell. No Lee Bowyer. No Curbs 16/1

    Just a conventional NEW person with some sort of decent credentials.




    Top half? We were only one place off 12th this season! No way will Thomas or the fans accept a season of mid table mediocrity
    Do you think the new manager should be replaced, again, if he doesn't achieve promotion in his very first season then?
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,734
    edited May 2022
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Sure this has been posted before but this a great article on Beale.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56298826

    The best quote from Gerrard about him is:

    "It would take me 15 to 20 years to become as good as Michael Beale as an on-pitch coach, delivering sessions on a daily basis, so I let Mick be Mick because he's the expert."
    Which is why they will never let him go .  Ludicrous to suggest that he will come anywhere near us .  
    You do realise Villa don’t have him chained up. He’s not a slave and if he want to leave there’s not too much they can do about it. 
    But he will be under contract so they can still refuse any approach, especially if they want a compensation value beyond what we're happy to pay

    If he's desperate to take the role, they could piss him off, but he'll still have to get on with his current job until he can leave at the end of whatever his current deal is. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,658
    ForeverAddickted said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Sure this has been posted before but this a great article on Beale.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56298826

    The best quote from Gerrard about him is:

    "It would take me 15 to 20 years to become as good as Michael Beale as an on-pitch coach, delivering sessions on a daily basis, so I let Mick be Mick because he's the expert."
    Which is why they will never let him go .  Ludicrous to suggest that he will come anywhere near us .  
    You do realise Villa don’t have him chained up. He’s not a slave and if he want to leave there’s not too much they can do about it. 
    But he will be under contract so they can still refuse any approach, especially if they want a compensation value beyond what we're happy to pay

    If he's desperate to take the role, they could piss him off, but he'll still have to get on with his current job until he can leave at the end of whatever his current deal is. 
    We all know that’s not how it works though don’t we. If someone wants out there’s little point in standing in their way. Villa would be mad to try and hold onto someone who doesn’t want to be there. I’m sure they wouldn’t.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,734
    edited May 2022
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    wmcf123 said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    Sure this has been posted before but this a great article on Beale.

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/56298826

    The best quote from Gerrard about him is:

    "It would take me 15 to 20 years to become as good as Michael Beale as an on-pitch coach, delivering sessions on a daily basis, so I let Mick be Mick because he's the expert."
    Which is why they will never let him go .  Ludicrous to suggest that he will come anywhere near us .  
    You do realise Villa don’t have him chained up. He’s not a slave and if he want to leave there’s not too much they can do about it. 
    But he will be under contract so they can still refuse any approach, especially if they want a compensation value beyond what we're happy to pay

    If he's desperate to take the role, they could piss him off, but he'll still have to get on with his current job until he can leave at the end of whatever his current deal is. 
    We all know that’s not how it works though don’t we. If someone wants out there’s little point in standing in their way. Villa would be mad to try and hold onto someone who doesn’t want to be there. I’m sure they wouldn’t.
    We only ever hear about the deals that work. 

    How many times will Gallen go to clubs looking to sign a player, yet get told: "No thanks he's not for sale" - We wont hear about those will we

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