3-5-2 is not a problem at all, in fact it can be a benefit. Jacko's problem was trying to play a formation without having the players able to play it. Hence wingers and full backs trying to play wing back. Full backs and midfielders asked to play in central defence etc.
Fixation on formations is a problem.
Dobson is a perfect example of a player doing the job he's good at and focus on it. He wasn't suited to the job Sunderland wanted him to perform and was rubbish as far as their fans were concerned.
A team where as many of the players are playing their best and favoured position but is imbalanced in terms of formation might have been better than experimenting with pegs and round holes. So ideal manager in my book is one who can spot where his players should be playing and allow the formation to be dictated by what he has available. Play 3-5-2 if you think that's the optimal formation when you have the players to pull it off.
If it's a coach then again I would like to think he was good at getting players better at what they already do well rather than turning a midfielder into a full back.
TS maybe describing Manning. MKD will be saying goodbye to five of their first team who were on loan and will no doubt be targets for bigger Clubs to buy or get on loan next season. They also have a couple of good players that could, and probably will leave. Twine being one.
I see us a big upgrade that would give him the opportunity to build something more permanent and with the prospects of going a lot higher than MKD.
Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?
He's back at Chesterfield now - Be surprised if TS showed interest given his Ipswich performances.
In favour one minute. Out of favour the next. Sooner or later Sandgaard will realise that he has to stick with someone for longer than 6 months, maybe a couple of seasons before they show their true potential, as unpleasant as that may sound. Smashing it out of the park straight after you've walked on the door is highly unlikely in this industry and this league.
Still convinced Jacko was the man for that.
Thats something we as fans need to realise as well.
With TS on social media, he's going to have seen the calls for Adkins / Jackson to go - Has that slightly helped influence his decision a little bit - Really wouldn't be surprised if it was the case with Adkins, as the atmosphere was turning on him so early in games.
The initial reason for the sackings has got to be based on the football/results from both managers. I fully accept that the results under JJ were better minus that terrible run but the football itself was dreadful.
Lack of fit strikers was part of the problem in that terrible run but surely if you cant score goals then you make yourselves harder to beat and maybe pinch a late goal or nick a draw instead of playing the same way as if you had these fit strikers. If you cant adapt to give the team the best chance to get results then long term, it doesnt bode well.
I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
The problem is if he did interview them all, they all probably all talk a good game, otherwise they wouldn’t have got jobs, how does he differentiate between them all, apart from them telling him what he wants to hear?
How would you differentiate between them ? I’m sure TS would take advice and look at stats and I expect that’s how you’d do it too. There’s no perfect or surefire way of making any appointment.
Really?
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
Be interesting to see if we do end up implementing a complete new playing style and philosophy next season, if on the whole the fan base will get behind it, even if it does produce mixed results to begin with.
Another name that hasn't really been mentioned is Paul Cook?
He's back at Chesterfield now - Be surprised if TS showed interest given his Ipswich performances.
In favour one minute. Out of favour the next. Sooner or later Sandgaard will realise that he has to stick with someone for longer than 6 months, maybe a couple of seasons before they show their true potential, as unpleasant as that may sound. Smashing it out of the park straight after you've walked on the door is highly unlikely in this industry and this league.
Still convinced Jacko was the man for that.
Thats something we as fans need to realise as well.
With TS on social media, he's going to have seen the calls for Adkins / Jackson to go - Has that slightly helped influence his decision a little bit - Really wouldn't be surprised if it was the case with Adkins, as the atmosphere was turning on him so early in games.
100% agree.
Fans ask for this but then as soon as there is a couple of bad results it’s ‘sack him now - he’s lost the dressing room’. It’s a shame that the least tolerant are normally the most vocal.
Time will tell is TS has got it right with Jackson. It is a brave move that could go either way.
TS maybe describing Manning. MKD will be saying goodbye to five of their first team who were on loan and will no doubt be targets for bigger Clubs to buy or get on loan next season. They also have a couple of good players that could, and probably will leave. Twine being one.
I see us a big upgrade that would give him the opportunity to build something more permanent and with the prospects of going a lot higher than MKD.
Good call. And playing in that monster of a stadium when it’s virtually empty, week in, week out, must be thoroughly depressing. They still don’t feel like a real club to me.
Be interesting to see if we do end up implementing a complete new playing style and philosophy next season, if on the whole the fan base will get behind it, even if it does produce mixed results to begin with.
It’ll only last until Xmas before the next manager changes it.
I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
The problem is if he did interview them all, they all probably all talk a good game, otherwise they wouldn’t have got jobs, how does he differentiate between them all, apart from them telling him what he wants to hear?
How would you differentiate between them ? I’m sure TS would take advice and look at stats and I expect that’s how you’d do it too. There’s no perfect or surefire way of making any appointment.
Really?
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
Sandgaard hasn’t become a multi millionaire with a successful international company by continually making the wrong decisions. I’m pretty confident he takes advice. You don’t like him but why this continual posting of negatives when you have absolutely no fecking clue how TS operates.
I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
The problem is if he did interview them all, they all probably all talk a good game, otherwise they wouldn’t have got jobs, how does he differentiate between them all, apart from them telling him what he wants to hear?
How would you differentiate between them ? I’m sure TS would take advice and look at stats and I expect that’s how you’d do it too. There’s no perfect or surefire way of making any appointment.
Really?
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
Sandgaard hasn’t become a multi millionaire with a successful international company by continually making the wrong decisions. I’m pretty confident he takes advice. You don’t like him but why this continual posting of negatives when you have absolutely no fecking clue how TS operates.
I base my opinion on evidence. If he 'takes advice' (which you are pretty confident about), then who? Or is that confidence merely an opinion?
And my comments are not 'negatives' ... they are observations based on his actions and outcomes.
I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
The problem is if he did interview them all, they all probably all talk a good game, otherwise they wouldn’t have got jobs, how does he differentiate between them all, apart from them telling him what he wants to hear?
How would you differentiate between them ? I’m sure TS would take advice and look at stats and I expect that’s how you’d do it too. There’s no perfect or surefire way of making any appointment.
Really?
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
Sandgaard hasn’t become a multi millionaire with a successful international company by continually making the wrong decisions. I’m pretty confident he takes advice. You don’t like him but why this continual posting of negatives when you have absolutely no fecking clue how TS operates.
I base my opinion on evidence. If he 'takes advice' (which you are pretty confident about), then who? Or is that confidence merely an opinion?
And my comments are not 'negatives' ... they are observations based on his actions and outcomes.
I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
The problem is if he did interview them all, they all probably all talk a good game, otherwise they wouldn’t have got jobs, how does he differentiate between them all, apart from them telling him what he wants to hear?
How would you differentiate between them ? I’m sure TS would take advice and look at stats and I expect that’s how you’d do it too. There’s no perfect or surefire way of making any appointment.
Really?
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
Sandgaard hasn’t become a multi millionaire with a successful international company by continually making the wrong decisions. I’m pretty confident he takes advice. You don’t like him but why this continual posting of negatives when you have absolutely no fecking clue how TS operates.
I base my opinion on evidence. If he 'takes advice' (which you are pretty confident about), then who? Or is that confidence merely an opinion?
And my comments are not 'negatives' ... they are observations based on his actions and outcomes.
I think we need to always remember the hours we were away from extinction. Then 'enter sandman' and we not only remained in existence but brought quality in many. areas of the club. Developing players, improving the excellent youth set up and infrastructure of the club. It's on a sound footing. Sandman didn't come in with a sledgehammer firing everyone. He gave current incumbent Lee Bowyer the benefit of the doubt (good decision). Didn't stand in his way (good decision) when he went to Brum. Hired what seemed a safe and experienced and proven pair of hands in Smiley Nige (good decision after the limited tactics of Bowyer). Acted to stop the decline and fired him (another good decision). Gave the untried JJ his first taste of management and didn't hurry to give him a contract but gave him a prolonged period of caretaker boss (another good decision) His first glaringly poor decision I feel was bowing to the unrelenting clamour from 'experts' aka fans! and gave him the job permanently. First whiff of pressure and the whole thing nose-dived. And saying JJ was part of his plans for next season only weeks ago (wrong decision) He owns the club. And while he can't simply do as he wants a la Roland Shathouse of yesteryear. He CAN hire and fire who he deems is right or not right for the progress of the club. And overall, silly comments aside, I think he has done a lot right. And firing JJ was also the right decision. He was righting the wrong decision of hiring him on a permanent in the first place.
I am confident that he will hire THE RIGHT guy for this time. He has seen enough to know that tired old managers well past their best are no good. And untried glorified team coaches are not suitable either. And if he IS the RIGHT guy, he will get this club up in a year. I'd lose the whole frontline and bring in quality. So many games last season were lost not simply by JJ ineptitude but misfiring strikers. Missington particularly. But Stuckley too.
Would really like to see Warburton. Definitely. would NOT want Hasselblad, Hughton, Evans or Ferguson take the reigns.
The problem is if he did interview them all, they all probably all talk a good game, otherwise they wouldn’t have got jobs, how does he differentiate between them all, apart from them telling him what he wants to hear?
How would you differentiate between them ? I’m sure TS would take advice and look at stats and I expect that’s how you’d do it too. There’s no perfect or surefire way of making any appointment.
Really?
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
Sandgaard hasn’t become a multi millionaire with a successful international company by continually making the wrong decisions. I’m pretty confident he takes advice. You don’t like him but why this continual posting of negatives when you have absolutely no fecking clue how TS operates.
I base my opinion on evidence. If he 'takes advice' (which you are pretty confident about), then who? Or is that confidence merely an opinion?
And my comments are not 'negatives' ... they are observations based on his actions and outcomes.
OK for you?
TS took advice on buying us in the first place and has spoken of talking to Steve Parry at Crystal Palace. There have also been suggestions that he talks to Mathew Benham. Just saying.
My biggest fear is we get a 'name' manager who is on the way down. Surprised at the lack of progress...
Or surprised at not being told about the progress?
Fair point.
Either way I do feel we need to get out skates on, players out of contract , we need to start getting the foundations in place and not end up miles behind again like we were at the start of last season
Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.
Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.
I think winning helps the unattractive football medicine go down. On the whole though I think there is a correlation between good football and good results.
It's the timing of Jackson's sacking that I think was wrong. If Sandgaard was going to sack him he should have done it about 6 or 7 weeks ago and had a new manager lined up so that he could assess the squad. Either that or don't sack Jackson but support him in this transfer window.
He done neither of these things and now we are in a transfer window with no manager in place. Yet another example of not having proper football people to advise him.
Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.
I think the manner of losing was an issue. Those losses we went down with a wimper and rolled over for teams. We wont win every game & play well but when we do lose, you want to at least see that the effort was there.
Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.
Wholly agree. Would happily climb the leagues winning 1-0 than stay here playing nice football.
Can change to a more pleasing style when we're challenging city and liverpool and have the players and resources to do so (ie so far away and unlikely to be unrealistic as a concern).
Until then just do what it takes to move forward and get us back competing in the championship.
Winning style is what we and the majority of the 92 need to be successful.
Ideally we'd have both but currently we have neither and if it's one or the other I'll take the one that gets points on the board all day long.
Personally, and I have to be honest, if we win and the football is terrible, I don't really care. Obviously, the football was generally terrible last season and we didn't win enough but it is the not winning enough which bothers me.
I think winning helps the unattractive football medicine go down. On the whole though I think there is a correlation between good football and good results.
Yes, that is true. It isn't always the case but usually.
It's the timing of Jackson's sacking that I think was wrong. If Sandgaard was going to sack him he should have done it about 6 or 7 weeks ago and had a new manager lined up so that he could assess the squad. Either that or don't sack Jackson but support him in this transfer window.
He done neither of these things and now we are in a transfer window with no manager in place. Yet another example of not having proper football people to advise him.
That might depend on who was targeted and if they were employed or if their teams were involved with possible promotion. I suspect there has been a list of names for months. That’s not saying that any were approached before the sacking.
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Dobson is a perfect example of a player doing the job he's good at and focus on it. He wasn't suited to the job Sunderland wanted him to perform and was rubbish as far as their fans were concerned.
A team where as many of the players are playing their best and favoured position but is imbalanced in terms of formation might have been better than experimenting with pegs and round holes. So ideal manager in my book is one who can spot where his players should be playing and allow the formation to be dictated by what he has available. Play 3-5-2 if you think that's the optimal formation when you have the players to pull it off.
If it's a coach then again I would like to think he was good at getting players better at what they already do well rather than turning a midfielder into a full back.
I see us a big upgrade that would give him the opportunity to build something more permanent and with the prospects of going a lot higher than MKD.
Lack of fit strikers was part of the problem in that terrible run but surely if you cant score goals then you make yourselves harder to beat and maybe pinch a late goal or nick a draw instead of playing the same way as if you had these fit strikers. If you cant adapt to give the team the best chance to get results then long term, it doesnt bode well.
Name names.
This is a large part of the problem. It doesn't occur to him. He thinks he knows best.
Fans ask for this but then as soon as there is a couple of bad results it’s ‘sack him now - he’s lost the dressing room’. It’s a shame that the least tolerant are normally the most vocal.
Time will tell is TS has got it right with Jackson. It is a brave move that could go either way.
And my comments are not 'negatives' ... they are observations based on his actions and outcomes.
OK for you?
Just saying.
If Sandgaard was going to sack him he should have done it about 6 or 7 weeks ago and had a new manager lined up so that he could assess the squad.
Either that or don't sack Jackson but support him in this transfer window.
He done neither of these things and now we are in a transfer window with no manager in place.
Yet another example of not having proper football people to advise him.
Can change to a more pleasing style when we're challenging city and liverpool and have the players and resources to do so (ie so far away and unlikely to be unrealistic as a concern).
Until then just do what it takes to move forward and get us back competing in the championship.
Winning style is what we and the majority of the 92 need to be successful.
Ideally we'd have both but currently we have neither and if it's one or the other I'll take the one that gets points on the board all day long.