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Sandgaard ownership discussion 2022-3 onwards (Meeting with CAST p138)

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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    CL_Phantom said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Chunes said:
    If you have bad results the manager is always going to get blamed. But with such an unbalanced squad and so many injuries, plus Stockley, I'm not sure what else I expect BG to do. 

    For me the biggest issue is the 'legacy players' brought in by an appalling recruitment strategy.

    According to Cawley, JJ described our squad as having "discipline and professionalism" problems. Garner has said the same. 

    We also know most of these players are on long-term contracts, with wages that mean we can't get rid of them and bring better characters/players in, and ones who are better suited to this system.

    For me, that is:

    a) The recruitment teams fault, for failing to properly assess the personality and playing qualities of the players.

    And b) The players faults for being unprofessional, which is the minimum we should expect as Charlton fans. If you're not going to be good enough for a promotion challenge, at least be hardworking. These are neither. 

    None of that is Garner's fault. You look at the people he has been allowed to bring in, someone like Egbo,  who is up for every game, and you know the kind of player BG wants.
    This started under Bowyer.  A lot (by no means all) of the players are better than our performances suggest over the last 2 years.  It goes all the way back to that Gillingham away game.

    The whole playing squad has churned in that time, bar 2 or 3.  It's a totally different coaching set up as well.

    I think part of the problem is the players aren't beholden to the manager for their future.  They know he will get sacked/leave before they do so they don't have the loyalty.

    I am not claiming they are world beaters and of course there are, obvious, gaps in the squad but they should be doing better, they should have done better last season and the one before.

    Wait so it wasn't Matthews, Washington,Watson and Gunter?!?!?!

    It's DJ, JFC,  Stockley and Inniss!


    😱😱😱


    The turn over of players, and coaching staff, strongly suggests there is more to it.
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    edited November 2022
    shirty5 said:
    carly burn said:

    Bang goes that job as an University lecturer and the evening one working in the local brewery
    Works both ways in employment law, if you are committed for twelve months then so is the company, unenforceable as somebody stated but stupid if any company sets it in a contract as they would be liable to pay up the contract in any circumstances. 
  • Bailey
    Bailey Posts: 3,265
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
  • alburyaddick
    alburyaddick Posts: 574
    The non compete clause quoted is too long and completely unenforceable particularly for relatively lower paid employees 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,284
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    Is he desperate to offload? That’s an assumption. If he wanted out I don’t know why he wouldn’t just say so to avoid any grief. Even if he is looking for a way out I think he would need pressure put on him to drop his probably deluded asking price so protests would still be necessary
  • SomervilleAddick
    SomervilleAddick Posts: 3,575
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Are noncompete clauses far more common in the states?
    Depends on the state - I think can’t be enforced in California and some others. They keep trying to get them outlawed in Massachusetts. I know some of the other New England states have some wage limit, because some fast food outlets were trying to put them in their contracts. Why anyone would stick a non- compete clause in a contract for a minimum wage job is beyond me. 
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    NabySarr said:
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    Is he desperate to offload? That’s an assumption. If he wanted out I don’t know why he wouldn’t just say so to avoid any grief. Even if he is looking for a way out I think he would need pressure put on him to drop his probably deluded asking price so protests would still be necessary
    If Sandgaard wants out I think he’ll very quickly realise that the club is worth virtually nothing. Fwiw I don’t think he is looking to sell.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    SomervilleAddick said:
    Cafc43v3r said:
    Are noncompete clauses far more common in the states?
    Depends on the state - I think can’t be enforced in California and some others. They keep trying to get them outlawed in Massachusetts. I know some of the other New England states have some wage limit, because some fast food outlets were trying to put them in their contracts. Why anyone would stick a non- compete clause in a contract for a minimum wage job is beyond me. 
    I know of one from Connecticut that caused a big out of court settlement but that was for mega money and very niche.
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,309
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    Agreed. We’re watching Charlton slowly die, enough is enough for me. 
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,309
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    Correct me if I’m wrong but there hasn’t been one suggestion that he’s actually open to selling the club has there? If so, this is a moot point. 
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  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,737
    Lordflashheart said:


    And here is the proof !!!

    I have one of the solid silver keys that actually started the plane !!
    I hope that bloke weren’t the pilot…..
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,418
    Nope, air traffic control so all is good there 👍😉
  • sillav nitram
    sillav nitram Posts: 10,163
    Todds_right_hook said:
    sillav nitram said:
    Lordflashheart said:


    And here is the proof !!!

    I have one of the solid silver keys that actually started the plane !!
    Are they all living in a parallel universe where everything is on its side?
    I just thought the plane was taking off
    The space shuttle was decommissioned?
  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,805
    Love that.

    a non-compete clause is designed to prevent your competitors from competing against you. 

    Not your sponsors and associates who ARE NOT in competition with you. Fucking A grade levels of crazy. 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,737
    J BLOCK said:
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    Correct me if I’m wrong but there hasn’t been one suggestion that he’s actually open to selling the club has there? If so, this is a moot point. 
    If you have been following this thread from the start, you might like to refresh your memory regarding positive posts that AB has made on this subject, the most recent, I believe, only a week or so ago. 
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,418
    IdleHans said:
    And what if the employee declines to sign this contract amendment? It can't be imposed unilaterally
    Just been told we can expect more to leave because of this, they know the tactics that will be used if they refuse to sign so will get out first.
    The owners have been advised not to go ahead *but surprisingly have not listened to that advice. 

    * me being sarcastic 
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,737
    T_C_E said:
    IdleHans said:
    And what if the employee declines to sign this contract amendment? It can't be imposed unilaterally
    Just been told we can expect more to leave because of this, they know the tactics that will be used if they refuse to sign so will get out first.
    The owners have been advised not to go ahead *but surprisingly have not listened to that advice. 

    * me being sarcastic 
    No surprise there, then ! 
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    I honestly don't believe there is the stomach for protests anymore.
    For myself, the fight has gone out of me. I've lost the will.
    I think attendances will progressively erode, unless we somehow fluke a spawney promotion challenge against all odds.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    J BLOCK said:
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    Correct me if I’m wrong but there hasn’t been one suggestion that he’s actually open to selling the club has there? If so, this is a moot point. 
    He is certainly open to selling but not for a price anyone would pay.

    My info has gone from its not for sale but you could buy it if you really wanted to to it will cost you x.


  • stonemuse
    stonemuse Posts: 33,997
    So basically, I get the impression that TS actively seeking investment but will not give up control, despite having nothing tangible as collateral.    

    He has no chance … which cannot be good for us.  

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  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,458
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    I honestly don't believe there is the stomach for protests anymore.
    For myself, the fight has gone out of me. I've lost the will.
    I think attendances will progressively erode, unless we somehow fluke a spawney promotion challenge against all odds.
     I think that will be how most are feeling, worryingly.
    Remember, the club has probably missed almost a generation of large scale support, such has been the mismanagement over successive years.
    Add the fact that the old stalwarts are not getting any younger.
    I'd say we are as close to midnight as we've ever been. This club could realistically cease to exist in 5 to 10 years time if it continues as it is.
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    stonemuse said:
    So basically, I get the impression that TS actively seeking investment but will not give up control, despite having nothing tangible as collateral.    

    He has no chance … which cannot be good for us.  

    There is nothing to "invest" in is there.
    Does he seriously expect somebody to come in and help pay his bills?
    The question is where will the club be by the time he is forced to face up to reality.
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    Cafc43v3r said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    Correct me if I’m wrong but there hasn’t been one suggestion that he’s actually open to selling the club has there? If so, this is a moot point. 
    He is certainly open to selling but not for a price anyone would pay.

    My info has gone from its not for sale but you could buy it if you really wanted to to it will cost you x.


    Well, I guess a kiss is a small price to pay  ;)
    Pucker up Tommy
  • PragueAddick
    PragueAddick Posts: 22,143
    Alwaysneil said:
    Love that.

    a non-compete clause is designed to prevent your competitors from competing against you. 

    Not your sponsors and associates who ARE NOT in competition with you. Fucking A grade levels of crazy. 
    Exactly this. TS proposal is restraint on trade. e.g. ad agencies often have their staff poached by their clients. They are pissed off by it, often justifiably, but nothing they can do. Legally tested loads of times. non-compete clause is different. Agency to another agencý but even then the employee has to be sufficiently senior, and the employer pays “gardening leave” of up to 12 months. Sounds like @DamoNorthStsnd case. 

    It says very bad things about an employer who would even try this on. 

    Grim news.
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,737
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    I honestly don't believe there is the stomach for protests anymore.
    For myself, the fight has gone out of me. I've lost the will.
    I think attendances will progressively erode, unless we somehow fluke a spawney promotion challenge against all odds.
    I'd never say never to any form of protest as long as it was well thought out & organised and had the backing of enough fans to make it a worthwhile "exercise". But I doubt TS would even blink unless it was something on a large enough scale to seriously  threaten his income. 

    It's crystal clear to me that there will be a tipping point before too long & he will be forced to make a decision, however difficult & ego bruising it will be. Presumably that would mean seriously reducing his asking price....

    Whether there are ways to help push him to this point without actually protesting, it would take sharper brains than mine to come up with a cunning plan but I live in hope. I'd vote for trying anything that might help him on his merry way rather than become increasingly depressed & concerned with the the current state of the club that plays a huge part in my life. 
  • Six-a-bag-of-nuts
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts Posts: 8,127
    Fanny Fanackapan said:
    Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    I honestly don't believe there is the stomach for protests anymore.
    For myself, the fight has gone out of me. I've lost the will.
    I think attendances will progressively erode, unless we somehow fluke a spawney promotion challenge against all odds.
    I'd never say never to any form of protest as long as it was well thought out & organised and had the backing of enough fans to make it a worthwhile "exercise". But I doubt TS would even blink unless it was something on a large enough scale to seriously  threaten his income. 

    It's crystal clear to me that there will be a tipping point before too long & he will be forced to make a decision, however difficult & ego bruising it will be. Presumably that would mean seriously reducing his asking price....

    Whether there are ways to help push him to this point without actually protesting, it would take sharper brains than mine to come up with a cunning plan but I live in hope. I'd vote for trying anything that might help him on his merry way rather than become increasingly depressed & concerned with the the current state of the club that plays a huge part in my life. 
    I'm glad you still have the fight in you @Fanny FanackFanny Fanackapan"
    People like you are the heart of the club.
    I am sure I will rise to the occasion if it comes to it (my wife just rolled her eyes) but I am on a real downer at the moment.
    It's like the 30 odd years of gradual decline under Michael Glikstein, only then we were young and there was a lifetime for things to change.
    I haven't got another 30 years  :#
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Cafc43v3r said:
    J BLOCK said:
    Bailey said:
    NabySarr said:
    carly burn said:
    It's all getting very Rolandy.

    I've not seen anything to suggest the current dozy incumbent of this great club is doing any less damage than Roland.
    We've protested over on par situations in the past.
    Can anyone tell me one positive implementation that this fella has bought to us in nigh on two years?

    #Sandgaardout!
    I think the protests would probably start after January if/when we’ve fallen way off the play offs. Somehow we are still not that far off them at the moment so TS has a January window to try and save himself  
    I don't think protests will be necessary, Sandgaard doesn't have the money that RD has and is getting desperate to offload. I suppose he might worry if he was showing prospective buyers around and it was all kicking off, one flaw in that plan though, nobody will give him a bean for the club so there won't be anyone to show around.
    Correct me if I’m wrong but there hasn’t been one suggestion that he’s actually open to selling the club has there? If so, this is a moot point. 
    He is certainly open to selling but not for a price anyone would pay.

    My info has gone from its not for sale but you could buy it if you really wanted to to it will cost you x.


    You would say that if you were trying to get as much money back as possible.

    If he says I can’t afford to run the club and I’m desperate to move it on he might only get offers to take it off his hands for nothing.
  • Oh Eddie Youds...
    Oh Eddie Youds... Posts: 1,320
    edited November 2022
    I think the protest has already started…

    1. Season ticket sales down 25% this season
    2. Only 3000 fans vs stockport

    …People are already taking action.

    14th in league one and only one win away / against the teams in the bottom half is simply unacceptable.

    When you think of of the wage bill difference between us and the likes of Lincoln, Exeter, Port Vale etc, it is a complete embarrassment that they are all above us in the league.
  • Pavoren007
    Pavoren007 Posts: 2,519
    We are woefully underachieving based on budgetary commitment, due to a catalogue of underperforming parts and what appears like mismanagement. The club is demoralised and in disarray, compounded with what appears an egotistical owner at the helm who will not open his eyes to what is unfolding here. 

    The only way out is new ownership, not supplementary investment, that will just exacerbate our issues imho. 

    To achieve this, we need to fail to reach the play offs this season, crowds will need to stay low and frustrations rise throughout the fan base and management. In effect, the melting pot needs to reach boiling point, at which point, hopefully our owner will cut their losses. Horrible to have to think like this, but this is exactly where I am at with a club I have loved supporting for over three decades. I genuinely did not believe it could get any worse…

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