Felt like there were too many individuals in the team tonight.
One moment of quality where Dobson laid it off to Payne, who looked up saw CBT and space, and boom 1-0 - Small bit of play where the squad worked as a team and it was beautiful to watch.
Other than that what's the fucking point of having a Striker in the first place.
Time and time again... Payne | CBT | Rak-Sakyi got the ball, head down run at the defence, wayward shot - Fucking well look up, look at your options, instead there was too much of a desire to win the game on their pissing own and would end in a cul-de-sac!!
CBT on two occasions in the first half shot at the 'keepers near post, stick it across the goal in front of him, you've got Leaburn / Rak-Sakyi as options in the middle use each other.
We can complain time and time again about the lack of investment in a Striker over the window, but playing like that what's the point, does anyone seriously think it would be any different with another Striker on the pitch - Yes it would be great if they were more mobile, but we've got the talent to set up chances for Leaburn / Stockley so bloody well use them, instead the chances being created for them are so fucking minimal
You wouldn't even get Haaland scoring in this team, he made two... TWO passes in perhaps the best possession based team in the whole country, yet still scores when it matters because his teammates put the ball in the dangerous areas for him
FGR Goalkeeper made a beautiful tribute act to Wollacott at the end of the game, flapping a shot... Rak-Sakyi and DJ are just standing there whilst the defenders in question are alert to the fact that there is an open goal!!
I'm calm... I'm calm... there is a Bank Holiday on Monday
WTF do you mean I've got a Match Preview to write for Saturday - 'kin hell!!
Frustrating is the word for tonight. You can see there are signs of a team in there somewhere but it just falls short. As Garner has said we are a work in progress and I think we are in for a lot more of this this season.
I also think those that keep banging on about a striker either are not watching the games or are legally blind. Anyone thinking placing a top class striker in that team tonight would have made a difference is mad. We were lacking out wide, mostly from wing back, Chin didn't have a good game and that was one of Clare's worst performances for a while.
There was also a massive hole in the number 10 role throughout, McGrandles had a shocker and Payne as good as he is drifts out wide often. I've been critical of him but we missed Fraser for those late runs into the box.
I'm going to ignore the ref's performance b cause as bad as he was I'm not sure it had any impact on the result as I did not see us scoring another goal if that was replayed 5 times.
Garner needs to work some magic with this squad, otherwise the promise will fade into a 12th place finish.
Conor McGrandles this season whipping boy?? FFS give him a chance.
I'm all for giving the guy a chance, and I still think he will come good, but he looked like a fan who had won a competition to play for Charlton tonight. Even in the first half, when we looked good, he was crap
You summed it up in your 1st sentence..Give him a chance.10/15 games then yes judge then.Dont judge him on 1 bad game and a few bit part games.
Not criticising Miles Leaburn, but when his weakness is obvious against Forest Green, then you have to question his being a first team member.
I don't question him being a first team member, but he's not ready to lead the line, especially as a lone striker. Being successful up against a couple of horrible League One defenders requires experience that he just doesn't have yet.
Conor McGrandles this season whipping boy?? FFS give him a chance.
I'm all for giving the guy a chance, and I still think he will come good, but he looked like a fan who had won a competition to play for Charlton tonight. Even in the first half, when we looked good, he was crap
What a shite competition to be entering, was it a masochistparty?
Not criticising Miles Leaburn, but when his weakness is obvious against Forest Green, then you have to question his being a first team member.
I don't question him being a first team member, but he's not ready to lead the line, especially as a lone striker. Being successful up against a couple of horrible League One defenders requires experience that he just doesn't have yet.
The Strikers need support... CBT and Rak-Sakyi pretty much hug the touchlines either flank, whilst Leaburn is in the exposed and alone in the centre - Both need to come closer, bit like when Payne was doing just that because else he's controlling it and then having to play a riskier long ball out wide.
Ironically the best attempt a Striker had for us tonight was when Rak-Sakyi drifted into the middle, linked up with Stockley who sadly continues to have a thing for striking / heading the ball straight at Goalkeepers
This really is all on sandgaard. Empty stands, empty performances, empty hopes.
I think I want him gone.....
and replaced by whom ? .. the previous owners saw Sandy coming and managed to offload us yet Dchatelet still kept the real estate .. who in their right mind is gonna pay Sandy for our club without getting the Valley and Sparrows in the deal ? .. answer.. another dreamer with big ideas and no cash
Forest Green tried their best to lose but we just weren’t good enough to do it . I mean it’s pure shit my hatred levels of this bunch of crap is ridiculous I think I hate (mad football hate, I’m not serious you deep thinking touchy ones) every fucking one of our players
This really is all on sandgaard. Empty stands, empty performances, empty hopes.
I think I want him gone.....
and replaced by whom ? .. the previous owners saw Sandy coming and managed to offload us yet Dchatelet still kept the real estate .. who in their right mind is gonna pay Sandy for our club without getting the Valley and Sparrows in the deal ? .. answer.. another dreamer with big ideas and no cash
Not to mention Sandgaard no doubt got the club for about £1m (?) from Nimer when they managed to sell the assets rather than the Company which stopped us from being bled dry by ESI v2... Hell we all know the story.
Given the small investment from Sandgaard, he's no doubt gonna want more than £1m to bugger off, which'll be on top of however much is left on the Instalments for the Valley and Sparrows Lane
Felt like there were too many individuals in the team tonight.
One moment of quality where Dobson laid it off to Payne, who looked up saw CBT and space, and boom 1-0 - Small bit of play where the squad worked as a team and it was beautiful to watch.
Other than that what's the fucking point of having a Striker in the first place.
Time and time again... Payne | CBT | Rak-Sakyi got the ball, head down run at the defence, wayward shot - Fucking well look up, look at your options, instead there was too much of a desire to win the game on their pissing own and would end in a cul-de-sac!!
CBT on two occasions in the first half shot at the 'keepers near post, stick it across the goal in front of him, you've got Leaburn / Rak-Sakyi as options in the middle use each other.
We can complain time and time again about the lack of investment in a Striker over the window, but playing like that what's the point, does anyone seriously think it would be any different with another Striker on the pitch - Yes it would be great if they were more mobile, but we've got the talent to set up chances for Leaburn / Stockley so bloody well use them, instead the chances being created for them are so fucking minimal
You wouldn't even get Haaland scoring in this team, he made two... TWO passes in perhaps the best possession based team in the whole country, yet still scores when it matters because his teammates put the ball in the dangerous areas for him
FGR Goalkeeper made a beautiful tribute act to Wollacott at the end of the game, flapping a shot... Rak-Sakyi and DJ are just standing there whilst the defenders in question are alert to the fact that there is an open goal!!
I'm calm... I'm calm... there is a Bank Holiday on Monday
WTF do you mean I've got a Match Preview to write for Saturday - 'kin hell!!
Absolutely this. I actually think CBT’s early goal meant he maybe got in his own head and thought he was on for more and more goals, which led to loads of opportunities squandered. He wasn’t the only one to do this - as you said, Payne (who I thought had a good game) and JRS (who has so much obvious raw talent) were equally guilty of this.
The FGR keeper flap was also SO frustrating, at the other end they scored from our very similar mistake and yet we can’t capitalise. I think we failed to capitalise on a few things tonight - like the breakaway when I think we would have been 3v1 but CBT strayed offside / Payne took too long to pass (depending on who you blame) or a few brilliant runs when the final ball was just lacking a bit of quality to put us through.
How many times can we hear “we need to be more ruthless”, I feel like Charlton managers have been saying that for years :’(
We dominated the first half for sure, but, on reflection that was probably thanks to FGR and Payne.
They had a 5 minutes spell where they showed they could threaten us, but with our early goal I'll guess that they changed tactic to sit back and try and hit us on the break, they threatened in patches and then we decided to help them out and gift them the leveller. Payne, great looking player and everything positive came through him, we could have been out of of sight first half but some poor finishing and decesion making from other parts of the pitch let us down - so.... dominating but not really dominant.
Second half, fucking awful. We looked out of place all over the pitch and FGR had a decent 15-20 minutes after they realised they could actually beat us, we came back into it for the last 15 and repeated the first half performance.
Played most of the game with one leg tied to the other as Connor Mcgilbeys was utterly pointless, no pace, no strength and with the combined first touch of Jason Euell and Alex Gilbey. Fell on his arse trying to control a ball, couldn't nick the ball off a downed FGR player, "skipped passed Mcgrandles". The player we've been missing... The player is missing more like. JFC will play more games than him this season.
McGrandles is coming in for a lot of stick, but watch it back in the first half and check who was creating runs beyond Leaburn when he dropped deep. Hell in even Curbs, Fortune and Minto picked up on it and mentioned it at half time and I value their opinions on football a lot more than the likes of Leuth who want to call out my player scores without backing it up.
Also take a look at our shape defensively. On the left Chin was able to stay wider and prevent their overlaps, why? Look at the positions McGrandles was taking up.
Now compare it to the right, especially when they started switching play after picking up on it. Clare had to sit more centrally to prevent them getting in 2v1 on Inniss because Leuth’s Lord and Saviour Payne was nowhere to be seen. He’s great going forward but a defensive liability. JRS is playing a more advanced role so that midfielder has to come back and do defensive work. Fraser does it, Payne didn’t and it left us exposed. People rightfully said that a lot of our best forward play went through Payne, but that will always happen when he’s playing that advanced. He could be great for us, but I don’t know that it works in a 4-3-3.
I get the feeling that Garner is trying to find a combination up front that works. Not knocking Miles starting and he will learn from that experience. We are asking players like CBT to provide threat and goals, he does the first very well, the second not so well, if he learns composure maybe but not yet. I suppose one good thing to come out of the game is that Leaburn is not going to be sold anytime soon and I don't see anyone else in the squad who will prop up TS's tenure, poor bugger.
My only highlight was watching a kid with his mouth wide open trying to catch raindrops off the roof edge of the stand, and a big drop miss his mouth and land right in his eye!
Conor McGrandles this season whipping boy?? FFS give him a chance.
I'm all for giving the guy a chance, and I still think he will come good, but he looked like a fan who had won a competition to play for Charlton tonight. Even in the first half, when we looked good, he was crap
You summed it up in your 1st sentence..Give him a chance.10/15 games then yes judge then.Dont judge him on 1 bad game and a few bit part games.
In those ten to fifteen games that you suggest then a young prospect will be ruined, Karlan Grant was an example of that and he became a whipping boy for a hostile crowd. Miles Leaburn was clearly out of his depth tonight and he needs to learn whilst not under pressure to produce.
Not criticising Miles Leaburn, but when his weakness is obvious against Forest Green, then you have to question his being a first team member.
I don't question him being a first team member, but he's not ready to lead the line, especially as a lone striker. Being successful up against a couple of horrible League One defenders requires experience that he just doesn't have yet.
The Strikers need support... CBT and Rak-Sakyi pretty much hug the touchlines either flank, whilst Leaburn is in the exposed and alone in the centre - Both need to come closer, bit like when Payne was doing just that because else he's controlling it and then having to play a riskier long ball out wide.
Ironically the best attempt a Striker had for us tonight was when Rak-Sakyi drifted into the middle, linked up with Stockley who sadly continues to have a thing for striking / heading the ball straight at Goalkeepers
Really the best two Rak-Sakyi had that header as well.
The problem with this team and last year and under Bowyer isnt the players are good enough. It's the players aren't the right ones, or blend of ones, to be better than the sum of the parts.
Everyone of our players is better than the Forest Green equivalent. We missed Kirk's delivery today but then you have to sacrifice the pace of CBT.
We can't get the midfield blend right. How do you get Stockley to score goals?
All the injured players SS would make us a little bit better, it would give us more depth as well, Aneke would be dangerous off the bench. But none of them would suddenly make us a much better team.
I look at what Steve Cotterill is doing at Shrewsbury and now think that Garner is not the man we needed .. Cotterill has been at a LOT of clubs, made a lot of mistakes, has learnt a lot and is a hard taskmaster who can still get the best from players who are not superstars, he knows how to set a team up for this League Garner got good results at Swindon last year, though they fell just short of promotion. The tactics and methods he used then seem unsuitable for us. It's true that Sandy has let Garner down by not paying to really strengthen the squad and the new signings have not so far been anywhere good enough. I am sure someone with a lot of experience, like Cotterill would have made a better fist of the playing resources currently available at the Valley
I get the feeling that Garner is trying to find a combination up front that works. Not knocking Miles starting and he will learn from that experience. We are asking players like CBT to provide threat and goals, he does the first very well, the second not so well, if he learns composure maybe but not yet. I suppose one good thing to come out of the game is that Leaburn is not going to be sold anytime soon and I don't see anyone else in the squad who will prop up TS's tenure, poor bugger.
What Jacko did with largely the same problem was to play two up front.
It is so frustrating watching a team who cannot do the basics correctly. I don't under estimate for a minute how difficult it must be to become a professional footballer but performances like tonight make you wonder what they do on the training pitch each day.
Our defending was almost slap-stick levels of comedy tonight, as it has been at other points in the season as well. We got away with it to a degree tonight (If you could getting a point at home against FGR getting away with it) but if we carry on in a similar theme teams are going to capitalise on it.
I say this without having any access to official stats to back it up but we must be near the top of the league in terms of how many times we turn the ball over to the opposition and lose possession.
Wollacott has saved us more points this season than he has cost us however he looked shaky tonight and hopefully he will put that clanger tonight behind him.
Mcgrandles seems to be getting some pelters already but the guy has to be given a chance, I can't say I've seen him play before he signed for us but he seemed highly rated at Lincoln. Although so did Gilbey at MK dons and look at how that turned out...
Dobson looked the best player on the pitch tonight, as usual. I'd be shocked if he's playing league one football next year.
Overall another really frustrating night and it already feels like the initial optimism at the start of the season has drained away, and we are churning out some pretty poor performances as well. It felt a very similar performance to those we saw at the back end of last season which is a real concern.
I’ve been wanting to be angry with the thousands who didn’t renew their season tickets this summer. I’ve been wanting to be angry with the thousands of ST holders not interested in going tonight despite it being weeks since a game at The Valley.
But I can’t, I really can’t. Disappointing is quickly turning to jealousy!
Was always a recipe for shiteness tonight. Rain, 6 changes to the outfield 10, what was that about? For Garner’s style to work well its all about rhythm, clear understanding between teammates etc. Hard to get that with so many changes.
The ground resembled what used to be an opening round in the league cup feel, not a league game. Could see the players when they walked out looking round and thinking where is everyone.
We huff and puff, we try and play it on the floor, but it’s pretty ineffective. Looks like we are still trying players out, and some of these youngsters just don’t look ready. And doesn’t look like there is much mixing it up tactically either.
Don’t know what ooh aahs odds are but we have to go some to start looking like a promotion threatening squad.
McGrandles was just dire, one of the worst performances i've seen of a player in a Charlton shirt
Were you in the ground? If so where? He was tackling and passing well. Shouldn’t have got a yellow card but the ref was an extra man for the opposition.
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One moment of quality where Dobson laid it off to Payne, who looked up saw CBT and space, and boom 1-0 - Small bit of play where the squad worked as a team and it was beautiful to watch.
Other than that what's the fucking point of having a Striker in the first place.
Time and time again... Payne | CBT | Rak-Sakyi got the ball, head down run at the defence, wayward shot - Fucking well look up, look at your options, instead there was too much of a desire to win the game on their pissing own and would end in a cul-de-sac!!
CBT on two occasions in the first half shot at the 'keepers near post, stick it across the goal in front of him, you've got Leaburn / Rak-Sakyi as options in the middle use each other.
We can complain time and time again about the lack of investment in a Striker over the window, but playing like that what's the point, does anyone seriously think it would be any different with another Striker on the pitch - Yes it would be great if they were more mobile, but we've got the talent to set up chances for Leaburn / Stockley so bloody well use them, instead the chances being created for them are so fucking minimal
You wouldn't even get Haaland scoring in this team, he made two... TWO passes in perhaps the best possession based team in the whole country, yet still scores when it matters because his teammates put the ball in the dangerous areas for him
FGR Goalkeeper made a beautiful tribute act to Wollacott at the end of the game, flapping a shot... Rak-Sakyi and DJ are just standing there whilst the defenders in question are alert to the fact that there is an open goal!!
I'm calm... I'm calm... there is a Bank Holiday on Monday
WTF do you mean I've got a Match Preview to write for Saturday - 'kin hell!!
I also think those that keep banging on about a striker either are not watching the games or are legally blind. Anyone thinking placing a top class striker in that team tonight would have made a difference is mad. We were lacking out wide, mostly from wing back, Chin didn't have a good game and that was one of Clare's worst performances for a while.
There was also a massive hole in the number 10 role throughout, McGrandles had a shocker and Payne as good as he is drifts out wide often. I've been critical of him but we missed Fraser for those late runs into the box.
I'm going to ignore the ref's performance b cause as bad as he was I'm not sure it had any impact on the result as I did not see us scoring another goal if that was replayed 5 times.
Garner needs to work some magic with this squad, otherwise the promise will fade into a 12th place finish.
fail to get the result
we only have ourselves to blame
if there was 10k in that ground tonight we’re going up
Ironically the best attempt a Striker had for us tonight was when Rak-Sakyi drifted into the middle, linked up with Stockley who sadly continues to have a thing for striking / heading the ball straight at Goalkeepers
I mean it’s pure shit
my hatred levels of this bunch of crap is ridiculous
I think I hate (mad football hate, I’m not serious you deep thinking touchy ones) every fucking one of our players
Given the small investment from Sandgaard, he's no doubt gonna want more than £1m to bugger off, which'll be on top of however much is left on the Instalments for the Valley and Sparrows Lane
The FGR keeper flap was also SO frustrating, at the other end they scored from our very similar mistake and yet we can’t capitalise. I think we failed to capitalise on a few things tonight - like the breakaway when I think we would have been 3v1 but CBT strayed offside / Payne took too long to pass (depending on who you blame) or a few brilliant runs when the final ball was just lacking a bit of quality to put us through.
How many times can we hear “we need to be more ruthless”, I feel like Charlton managers have been saying that for years :’(
They had a 5 minutes spell where they showed they could threaten us, but with our early goal I'll guess that they changed tactic to sit back and try and hit us on the break, they threatened in patches and then we decided to help them out and gift them the leveller. Payne, great looking player and everything positive came through him, we could have been out of of sight first half but some poor finishing and decesion making from other parts of the pitch let us down - so.... dominating but not really dominant.
Second half, fucking awful. We looked out of place all over the pitch and FGR had a decent 15-20 minutes after they realised they could actually beat us, we came back into it for the last 15 and repeated the first half performance.
Played most of the game with one leg tied to the other as Connor Mcgilbeys was utterly pointless, no pace, no strength and with the combined first touch of Jason Euell and Alex Gilbey. Fell on his arse trying to control a ball, couldn't nick the ball off a downed FGR player, "skipped passed Mcgrandles". The player we've been missing... The player is missing more like. JFC will play more games than him this season.
But I'll admit, he's so far of match fitness.
The problem with this team and last year and under Bowyer isnt the players are good enough. It's the players aren't the right ones, or blend of ones, to be better than the sum of the parts.
Everyone of our players is better than the Forest Green equivalent. We missed Kirk's delivery today but then you have to sacrifice the pace of CBT.
We can't get the midfield blend right. How do you get Stockley to score goals?
All the injured players SS would make us a little bit better, it would give us more depth as well, Aneke would be dangerous off the bench. But none of them would suddenly make us a much better team.
No real leadership anywhere on the park.
Very depressing, going nowhere this year.
Starting to have major doubts about Garner, his tactic’s are so predictable.
Oh yeah and the ref was Sunday league football standard.
Garner got good results at Swindon last year, though they fell just short of promotion. The tactics and methods he used then seem unsuitable for us. It's true that Sandy has let Garner down by not paying to really strengthen the squad and the new signings have not so far been anywhere good enough. I am sure someone with a lot of experience, like Cotterill would have made a better fist of the playing resources currently available at the Valley
Anyway, too late now
Our defending was almost slap-stick levels of comedy tonight, as it has been at other points in the season as well. We got away with it to a degree tonight (If you could getting a point at home against FGR getting away with it) but if we carry on in a similar theme teams are going to capitalise on it.
I say this without having any access to official stats to back it up but we must be near the top of the league in terms of how many times we turn the ball over to the opposition and lose possession.
Wollacott has saved us more points this season than he has cost us however he looked shaky tonight and hopefully he will put that clanger tonight behind him.
Mcgrandles seems to be getting some pelters already but the guy has to be given a chance, I can't say I've seen him play before he signed for us but he seemed highly rated at Lincoln. Although so did Gilbey at MK dons and look at how that turned out...
Dobson looked the best player on the pitch tonight, as usual. I'd be shocked if he's playing league one football next year.
Overall another really frustrating night and it already feels like the initial optimism at the start of the season has drained away, and we are churning out some pretty poor performances as well. It felt a very similar performance to those we saw at the back end of last season which is a real concern.
But I can’t, I really can’t. Disappointing is quickly turning to jealousy!
We huff and puff, we try and play it on the floor, but it’s pretty ineffective. Looks like we are still trying players out, and some of these youngsters just don’t look ready. And doesn’t look like there is much mixing it up tactically either.