Two things from reading this. "That one goes in we lose", maybe, but over the past couple of years the boot has been on the other foot often enough and apparently "we are simply not good enough".
Stonewall pen, I called it as soon as it happened.
Absolutely a penalty, just a shame the ref didn't blow when the assistant ref flagged for the first foul.
There was definitely a foul outside the box, but I thought it was a perfectly good shoulder charge.
The guy who was shoulder charged didn't even appeal for a pen
Was impressed with Exeter who play a bit of Garnerball themselves.
Like the combo of Egbo & JRS. Dobbi was excellent at protecting the back four. Leaburn is a baller.
Am not as down in Kirk as many are. Made some poor decisions in the 2nd half, like expecting Stockley to have any pace, but he has the class for the quick pass that Leaburn has. I just don’t like we get him the ball where we should. Accusations of laziness also not merited. Was right to sub him though.
Hope Miles is OK. We need him - and Chuks - as Stockley isn’t on the same wavelength as the rest of the team and isn’t even winning headers anymore.
Was impressed with Exeter who play a bit of Garnerball themselves.
Like the combo of Egbo & JRS. Dobbi was excellent at protecting the back four. Leaburn is a baller.
Am not as down in Kirk as many are. Made some poor decisions in the 2nd half, like expecting Stockley to have any pace, but he has the class for the quick pass that Leaburn has. I just don’t like we get him the ball where we should. Accusations of laziness also not merited. Was right to sub him though.
Hope Miles is OK. We need him - and Chuks - as Stockley isn’t on the same wavelength as the rest of the team and isn’t even winning headers anymore.
I think if you watch a replay of the game you would be surprised at how many headers Stockley won.
Credit to BG as one of the criticism
form Swindon fans was no plan B. well, he has switched it up mixing the nice
passing with a little bit more directness and it certainly looked better. We seem
to get the ball up to Stockley and Miles a lot quicker and play of that at
times. The subs he made all had a positive impact as well.
Having Egbo and Sessegnon back has made a big difference as well,
not getting carried away but certainly something to build on and encouraging
that BG has had the courage to adapt a little so that we are still playing some
nice football but looking more of a threat with it.
Let’s hope we can kick on from this and start to get some wins on
the board and see where we go from there.
Comments from the Exeter "Manager" if they've not already been posted.
Cant really argue with him either - Coming back from 2-0 down (both goals really did come from their mistakes, albeit the second involved good build up from us), is a tough ask
Good & much needed win , just for confidence, so disappointing to see the small crowd at the valley but totally understand, hope people can force themselves to get there on Monday night in front of the cameras to support.
T’was a good win. The result probably backed up some of what Garner had been thinking re: rub of the green, because I felt it firmly went in our favour last night, with our 2nd and 3rd goals very fortuitous and Exeter almost equalizing to make it 2-2.
Personally, i thought we were losing control around that period that Exeter hit the bar and overall I thought they played the better football from 30 - 75mins, but couldn’t find an end product. We were more clinical so we deserved the win.
For me, like last season when we got a win, it absolutely must be backed up by a run of victories/good performances, otherwise it’s going to mean very little and we won’t have progressed. This is the test for BG now. He looks like he’s happy with this 4-4-2 set up, and going a bit more direct, but I think we should set ourselves a mini target of winning 3 out of the next 4.
Pleased for Aneke personally, but caution the reaction to his return, anyone would’ve thought he’s the second coming. He’ll have to be managed. He got very fortunate with the run of the ball and the finish for the third. He has quality, but we don’t know how much we’ll see of it and how much we can rely on it. To put him as the savior of the season is a bit far fetched for me. For example, if Leaburn is out on Monday, are we starting Aneke. That for me would be a mistake.
let’s see how it all plays out, but an entertaining game
Probably one of the most entertaining games at the Valley for a long time.Very impressed with Exeter ,the way they moved the ball very quickley,Caprice was a thorn in our side all night.First time for a while,I thought we looked dangerous most times we attacked,Miles is getting better all the time,I fear a bid will come for him soon,Midfield buzzed and worked hard,Dobbo for all his efforts did lose the ball in dodgy areas once or twice and put us in the shit.Plenty to be happy about,an eventful cameo by Chucks being the highlight.Though ref was good tonight,let the game flow,no cards until the stupidity of O connel gave him no choice.
- Ref awarded them a penalty for a challenge not a single one of their players called for. It was a billy beef challenge but common sense would have seen the referee wave no penalty and gone back to the previous incident, claiming the linesman saw it.
- O'Connell should show more leadership than boot the ball into the stadium after the penalty. Shows how scared you are to see this game out now.
- Good ball from Dobson for Leaburn's goal. Well done from there Miles....the kind of goal Washington would score, coming from somebody with Stockley's frame. Impressive.
- Aneke. You can call that an assist (key contribution) and goal in his limited appearance. We could get more from Stockley now Aneke is back. But both need to remain fit and focused - as they also like a ruck and red card.
Exeter were good but I just think we were better. First half they had the ball without creating much then scored a great goal which gave them hope. Biggest issue for me is when we were going 2-0 up, we let them play there game and naturally they gained confidence and momentum.
If they scored the one that hit bar, could have changed the dynamic of the game but overall we were very professional and would see the game out okay.
Leaburn, Dobson and (personally) the CBs were good. Good to the subs make an impact aswell.
This should be a platform to build on but we will wait and see.
Having seen him play just the once, Egbo reminds me of Chris Powell to some extent, in his style, movement and technique.
Agree Swords. He has that ability to suddenly swivel 90 degrees in possession and wrong-foot his man. Also has the pace to step on it. Crucially though, Egbo looks stronger up top and may prove harder to knock off the ball, not that Sir Chris was ever really bullied. Both have good awareness.
Exeter were miles better than us. Delighted to get the 3 points though
They really weren't. You don't lose 4-2 when you're miles better than your opponent. Those are 1-0 losses or 2-1.
Black Sabbath. Not a band name but we could have been 10-0 down at half time in that game. Just saying.
Two pivot points in that game. When momentum was all Exeter from 1st half into 2nd they hit the underside of the bar. Stays 2-1 Chuks Aneke scores from a deflected ball that rolls into his path , it goes in off the goalkeepers foot onto post and trickles in .3-1. Can't say we didn't have our luck last night, Exeter were good. However if you shoot you may score- we haven't been shooting (- because of the system we've been playing) Play to our strengths (squad strengths) Results should improve (baring injuries) Most of the season still to play for
Exeter looked well drilled with players to suit their system (their RWB Caprice looks a very tidy footballer) but when they got to the final third they tried the same ball down the inside left and inside right channels over and over again which I thought we soon figured out.
Their players suit their system better and they controlled most of the game, which you would expect when they have three in midfield to our two, but they didn't create the chances we did.
Thought Kirk and Fraser had poor games. I'm a big Kirk fan but there is a real lack of effort on his recovery runs. As for Fraser, I thought he was a much more dominating, dictating presence than he has been this season. Egbo, Dobson and Sessegnon were very good.
Aneke highlights what the right type of striker could do in Garner's preferred 4-2-3-1. That touch on to CBT for our 4th was sublime. We looked a much more threatening and cohesive unit with him up top, linking and causing problems.
Hope we can shift Stockley in Jan and bring in two better-suited strikers with the money. (Doubt this will happen, though).
A good open end-to-end game with six goals and us scoring four of them (well, three I guess because of the OG), what more could you want. I am not sure this is the turning point, but the win was hugely important and we played much better. Hopefully it will be a big confidence boost.
Playing 4-4-2 seems to help us create more chances, but leaves us open in midfield. Kirk and JRS offer very little defensively and this means lots of extra work for Dobson and Fraser. They seemed to cope okay yesterday, but I think it would help if one of the wide players was stronger defensively - perhaps DJ or Clare?
Hoping Leaburn's injury is nothing serious. He was excellent and the boy is becoming a man very quickly. Let's enjoy him while we can because I suspect he will be gone by the end of January.
Was impressed with Exeter who play a bit of Garnerball themselves.
Like the combo of Egbo & JRS. Dobbi was excellent at protecting the back four. Leaburn is a baller.
Am not as down in Kirk as many are. Made some poor decisions in the 2nd half, like expecting Stockley to have any pace, but he has the class for the quick pass that Leaburn has. I just don’t like we get him the ball where we should. Accusations of laziness also not merited. Was right to sub him though.
Hope Miles is OK. We need him - and Chuks - as Stockley isn’t on the same wavelength as the rest of the team and isn’t even winning headers anymore.
I think if you watch a replay of the game you would be surprised at how many headers Stockley won.
Absolutely. The excellent Ali on Valley Pass has all the stats and said Stockley won 70% of all aerial duels, and then said that in L1 that is a very good figure to achieve. He also said Inniss and O'Connell were dominant in that department too.
The thing with Kirk is that he seems to have nothing in his locker to take a man on. That is pretty odd for an attacking wide player for whom we paid a tidy fee. Egbo seems more ready to take on his man than Kirk does. Maybe it's confidence. Did anybody see footage of him at Crewe where he had some more trickery we haven't seen yet?
Otherwise, well, I needed that, we all needed that. Pompey will be a big ask though, especially if Miles is out. We should brace for that.
And finally my speciality grouse. In the first half there were two minutes of additional time. There were of course no subs, and I'm pretty sure no injury related stoppage. Am I wrong? Miles was on the deck first half but got up and carried on. That should not therefore incur any extra time. Nothing happened asa result but Exeter were on top as we got to H-T. This is just so random, reeks of some kind of "personal interpretation" by somebody, and this whole thing can and needs to be automated, ASAP, and in a transparent way.
A much needed confidence boosting win and having the ‘we haven’t won in x games’ monkey off our back is going to give everybody a lift. We need to maintain our bogey team status for Pompey, come Monday. Then things would be really looking up…
Thought Dobbo was MOTM by a stretch last night rather than Egbo (who also had a good game).
Having seen him play just the once, Egbo reminds me of Chris Powell to some extent, in his style, movement and technique.
That's exactly what I thought last night, even his running style is similar. Thought he was excellent as were Dobson, Fraser and Leaburn. Also a great cameo from CBT shows what he can do.
that all out 442 is better but still quite loose, with these full backs and non-tackling back wingers, I wonder if the Curbs approach a la Graeme Stuart would help, perhaps Payne or another there instead of Kirk.
Two things from reading this. "That one goes in we lose", maybe, but over the past couple of years the boot has been on the other foot often enough and apparently "we are simply not good enough".
Stonewall pen, I called it as soon as it happened.
Absolutely a penalty, just a shame the ref didn't blow when the assistant ref flagged for the first foul.
There was definitely a foul outside the box, but I thought it was a perfectly good shoulder charge.
I don't know the rules, or more imp. is interpretation. must be some refs on this site. Football is a contact sport. You are allowed to out muscle your opponents. To me that was a fair challenge side by side- but Aneke is a bigger unit than the Exe player. so he is flattened. No pen.
The penalty; question I'd have for the ref would be, if say, Jack Payne had made exactly the same challenge, would he have given it?
But all that said, I thought he was pretty decent overall. Especially wanted to play advantage and did that well. He signalled advantage when the lino flagged before the penalty, and was absolutely within his remit to do so. And kept his cards in his pocket until quite late in the game. Contributed to making the game a good one for the neutral to watch.
I don’t care how dog shit we are or what level we play at, if I see Charlton score goals and win then I bounce out The Valley on cloud nine and have a good mood that will last all the next day.
Up the reds. Well done the few there tonight that were patient and got behind them well
Completely this. We won, and woke up this morning happy that after weeks of rubbish, a good performance and a good win. Happy I paid for a months worth of streamed matches now. There may be real problems, but if you can't enjoy a win, it's time to look for another thing to do. Live, laugh, etc
Two things from reading this. "That one goes in we lose", maybe, but over the past couple of years the boot has been on the other foot often enough and apparently "we are simply not good enough".
Stonewall pen, I called it as soon as it happened.
Absolutely a penalty, just a shame the ref didn't blow when the assistant ref flagged for the first foul.
There was definitely a foul outside the box, but I thought it was a perfectly good shoulder charge.
I don't know the rules, or more imp. is interpretation. must be some refs on this site. Football is a contact sport. You are allowed to out muscle your opponents. To me that was a fair challenge side by side- but Aneke is a bigger unit than the Exe player. so he is flattened. No pen.
I agree. I didnt think it was a penalty at all. I wasnt even slightly worried that a penalty would be awarded when he made the challenge.
I don't understand what Aneke is supposed to do, is he not allowed to be as strong as he is? Should he only ever use 50% of his strength in case he knocks someone over?
Was impressed with Exeter who play a bit of Garnerball themselves.
Like the combo of Egbo & JRS. Dobbi was excellent at protecting the back four. Leaburn is a baller.
Am not as down in Kirk as many are. Made some poor decisions in the 2nd half, like expecting Stockley to have any pace, but he has the class for the quick pass that Leaburn has. I just don’t like we get him the ball where we should. Accusations of laziness also not merited. Was right to sub him though.
Hope Miles is OK. We need him - and Chuks - as Stockley isn’t on the same wavelength as the rest of the team and isn’t even winning headers anymore.
People don’t see the unselfish work Kirk done last night .. done a lot of covering and defensive work because Exeter pushed two men up on both flanks to stop Kirk and Raki
Was impressed with Exeter who play a bit of Garnerball themselves.
Like the combo of Egbo & JRS. Dobbi was excellent at protecting the back four. Leaburn is a baller.
Am not as down in Kirk as many are. Made some poor decisions in the 2nd half, like expecting Stockley to have any pace, but he has the class for the quick pass that Leaburn has. I just don’t like we get him the ball where we should. Accusations of laziness also not merited. Was right to sub him though.
Hope Miles is OK. We need him - and Chuks - as Stockley isn’t on the same wavelength as the rest of the team and isn’t even winning headers anymore.
People don’t see the unselfish work Kirk done last night .. done a lot of covering and defensive work because Exeter pushed two men up on both flanks to stop Kirk and Raki
I'll usually defend Kirk but that 2nd half performance was shocking
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Really enjoyed that last night.
Credit to BG as one of the criticism form Swindon fans was no plan B. well, he has switched it up mixing the nice passing with a little bit more directness and it certainly looked better. We seem to get the ball up to Stockley and Miles a lot quicker and play of that at times. The subs he made all had a positive impact as well.
Having Egbo and Sessegnon back has made a big difference as well, not getting carried away but certainly something to build on and encouraging that BG has had the courage to adapt a little so that we are still playing some nice football but looking more of a threat with it.
Let’s hope we can kick on from this and start to get some wins on the board and see where we go from there.
Cant really argue with him either - Coming back from 2-0 down (both goals really did come from their mistakes, albeit the second involved good build up from us), is a tough ask
https://londonnewsonline.co.uk/harsh-reality-of-league-one-football-exeter-interim-boss-reflects-on-4-2-loss-at-charlton-athletic/
Personally, i thought we were losing control around that period that Exeter hit the bar and overall I thought they played the better football from 30 - 75mins, but couldn’t find an end product. We were more clinical so we deserved the win.
For me, like last season when we got a win, it absolutely must be backed up by a run of victories/good performances, otherwise it’s going to mean very little and we won’t have progressed. This is the test for BG now. He looks like he’s happy with this 4-4-2 set up, and going a bit more direct, but I think we should set ourselves a mini target of winning 3 out of the next 4.
Pleased for Aneke personally, but caution the reaction to his return, anyone would’ve thought he’s the second coming. He’ll have to be managed. He got very fortunate with the run of the ball and the finish for the third. He has quality, but we don’t know how much we’ll see of it and how much we can rely on it. To put him as the savior of the season is a bit far fetched for me. For example, if Leaburn is out on Monday, are we starting Aneke. That for me would be a mistake.
let’s see how it all plays out, but an entertaining game
- Ref awarded them a penalty for a challenge not a single one of their players called for. It was a billy beef challenge but common sense would have seen the referee wave no penalty and gone back to the previous incident, claiming the linesman saw it.
- O'Connell should show more leadership than boot the ball into the stadium after the penalty. Shows how scared you are to see this game out now.
- Good ball from Dobson for Leaburn's goal. Well done from there Miles....the kind of goal Washington would score, coming from somebody with Stockley's frame. Impressive.
- Aneke. You can call that an assist (key contribution) and goal in his limited appearance. We could get more from Stockley now Aneke is back. But both need to remain fit and focused - as they also like a ruck and red card.
If they scored the one that hit bar, could have changed the dynamic of the game but overall we were very professional and would see the game out okay.
Leaburn, Dobson and (personally) the CBs were good. Good to the subs make an impact aswell.
This should be a platform to build on but we will wait and see.
When momentum was all Exeter from 1st half into 2nd they hit the underside of the bar. Stays 2-1
Chuks Aneke scores from a deflected ball that rolls into his path , it goes in off the goalkeepers foot onto post and trickles in .3-1.
Can't say we didn't have our luck last night, Exeter were good.
However if you shoot you may score- we haven't been shooting (- because of the system we've been playing)
Play to our strengths (squad strengths)
Results should improve (baring injuries)
Most of the season still to play for
Their players suit their system better and they controlled most of the game, which you would expect when they have three in midfield to our two, but they didn't create the chances we did.
Thought Kirk and Fraser had poor games. I'm a big Kirk fan but there is a real lack of effort on his recovery runs. As for Fraser, I thought he was a much more dominating, dictating presence than he has been this season. Egbo, Dobson and Sessegnon were very good.
Aneke highlights what the right type of striker could do in Garner's preferred 4-2-3-1. That touch on to CBT for our 4th was sublime. We looked a much more threatening and cohesive unit with him up top, linking and causing problems.
Hope we can shift Stockley in Jan and bring in two better-suited strikers with the money. (Doubt this will happen, though).
Minutes per goal:
Aneke - 8
Leaburn - 111
Playing 4-4-2 seems to help us create more chances, but leaves us open in midfield. Kirk and JRS offer very little defensively and this means lots of extra work for Dobson and Fraser. They seemed to cope okay yesterday, but I think it would help if one of the wide players was stronger defensively - perhaps DJ or Clare?
Hoping Leaburn's injury is nothing serious. He was excellent and the boy is becoming a man very quickly. Let's enjoy him while we can because I suspect he will be gone by the end of January.
The thing with Kirk is that he seems to have nothing in his locker to take a man on. That is pretty odd for an attacking wide player for whom we paid a tidy fee. Egbo seems more ready to take on his man than Kirk does. Maybe it's confidence. Did anybody see footage of him at Crewe where he had some more trickery we haven't seen yet?
Otherwise, well, I needed that, we all needed that. Pompey will be a big ask though, especially if Miles is out. We should brace for that.
And finally my speciality grouse. In the first half there were two minutes of additional time. There were of course no subs, and I'm pretty sure no injury related stoppage. Am I wrong? Miles was on the deck first half but got up and carried on. That should not therefore incur any extra time. Nothing happened asa result but Exeter were on top as we got to H-T. This is just so random, reeks of some kind of "personal interpretation" by somebody, and this whole thing can and needs to be automated, ASAP, and in a transparent way.
Thought Dobbo was MOTM by a stretch last night rather than Egbo (who also had a good game).
Football is a contact sport. You are allowed to out muscle your opponents.
To me that was a fair challenge side by side- but Aneke is a bigger unit than the Exe player. so he is flattened.
No pen.
But all that said, I thought he was pretty decent overall. Especially wanted to play advantage and did that well. He signalled advantage when the lino flagged before the penalty, and was absolutely within his remit to do so. And kept his cards in his pocket until quite late in the game. Contributed to making the game a good one for the neutral to watch.
Live, laugh, etc
I don't understand what Aneke is supposed to do, is he not allowed to be as strong as he is? Should he only ever use 50% of his strength in case he knocks someone over?
done last night .. done a lot of covering and defensive work because Exeter pushed two men up on both flanks to stop Kirk and Raki