been thinking a bit about this... just to come at this from another angle - is it possible that TS is valuing our league cup run (perhaps even the FA cup one as well) at some kind of premium? Like it could be a sticking point if we somehow win it there would be value in a QF potential tie against a big club..? Could a win against Brighton and a favourable draw (either way, big team, or potential "easier draw" to get us to a semi) give TS the value he is looking for? Maybe Varney is coming from the POV that big support geeing the team up to a big performance could be enough to get the delusion fool out??
Maybe potential new owners could have said "if you make it through we will give you X over what we are offering" and that is seen in TS's eyes as enough to bail out?
@Airman Brown interested in your opinion on this? How much potentially could a QF away to man u or newcastle on sky be worth potentially to TS and do you think it could make some kind of difference or am I chatting out of my arse as usual?
I don’t think the potential rewards of the EFL Cup are material to a sale of the club.
actually the more i think about it, are you sure that is the case for the sale of a club in regards to TS who doesn't have the stadium or training ground? isn't our membership in the league, this particular cup run, and player valuations all he has?
I’m not sure what you think we are going to make from a run in this competition. Even if we beat Brighton, we don’t know what the fifth round draw might be and it’s unlikely the club would make £1m extra if it got to Wembley, which is obviously not very probable.
The prize for winning it is £100k, half that as losing finalists. Nothing for losing semi-finalists.
TS would lose £1m in the time it takes to get there. He might recoup something in the January transfer market, and that’s potentially much more controllable. Personally I think it’s a game of chicken now, as far as he’s concerned, but he doesn’t have much of a hand.
I reckon if someone comes in with an upfront payment for Leaburn, he’ll take it. Even if it’s £500k
been thinking a bit about this... just to come at this from another angle - is it possible that TS is valuing our league cup run (perhaps even the FA cup one as well) at some kind of premium? Like it could be a sticking point if we somehow win it there would be value in a QF potential tie against a big club..? Could a win against Brighton and a favourable draw (either way, big team, or potential "easier draw" to get us to a semi) give TS the value he is looking for? Maybe Varney is coming from the POV that big support geeing the team up to a big performance could be enough to get the delusion fool out??
Maybe potential new owners could have said "if you make it through we will give you X over what we are offering" and that is seen in TS's eyes as enough to bail out?
@Airman Brown interested in your opinion on this? How much potentially could a QF away to man u or newcastle on sky be worth potentially to TS and do you think it could make some kind of difference or am I chatting out of my arse as usual?
I don’t think the potential rewards of the EFL Cup are material to a sale of the club.
actually the more i think about it, are you sure that is the case for the sale of a club in regards to TS who doesn't have the stadium or training ground? isn't our membership in the league, this particular cup run, and player valuations all he has?
I’m not sure what you think we are going to make from a run in this competition. Even if we beat Brighton, we don’t know what the fifth round draw might be and it’s unlikely the club would make £1m extra if it got to Wembley, which is obviously not very probable.
The prize for winning it is £100k, half that as losing finalists. Nothing for losing semi-finalists.
TS would lose £1m in the time it takes to get there. He might recoup something in the January transfer market, and that’s potentially much more controllable. Personally I think it’s a game of chicken now, as far as he’s concerned, but he doesn’t have much of a hand.
I reckon if someone comes in with an upfront payment for Leaburn, he’ll take it. Even if it’s £500k
But would Leaburn? He has to agree to any move. If I was him and the contract was right, I certainly would take any chance of getting away from this basket-case of a club.
Terms for Leaburn's coming transfer to his new club were probably sorted unofficially some time ago.
Really? I’d be surprised, information has a way of becoming public knowledge at Charlton so would be surprised that something as significant as this hasn’t leaked.
been thinking a bit about this... just to come at this from another angle - is it possible that TS is valuing our league cup run (perhaps even the FA cup one as well) at some kind of premium? Like it could be a sticking point if we somehow win it there would be value in a QF potential tie against a big club..? Could a win against Brighton and a favourable draw (either way, big team, or potential "easier draw" to get us to a semi) give TS the value he is looking for? Maybe Varney is coming from the POV that big support geeing the team up to a big performance could be enough to get the delusion fool out??
Maybe potential new owners could have said "if you make it through we will give you X over what we are offering" and that is seen in TS's eyes as enough to bail out?
@Airman Brown interested in your opinion on this? How much potentially could a QF away to man u or newcastle on sky be worth potentially to TS and do you think it could make some kind of difference or am I chatting out of my arse as usual?
I don’t think the potential rewards of the EFL Cup are material to a sale of the club.
actually the more i think about it, are you sure that is the case for the sale of a club in regards to TS who doesn't have the stadium or training ground? isn't our membership in the league, this particular cup run, and player valuations all he has?
I’m not sure what you think we are going to make from a run in this competition. Even if we beat Brighton, we don’t know what the fifth round draw might be and it’s unlikely the club would make £1m extra if it got to Wembley, which is obviously not very probable.
The prize for winning it is £100k, half that as losing finalists. Nothing for losing semi-finalists.
TS would lose £1m in the time it takes to get there. He might recoup something in the January transfer market, and that’s potentially much more controllable. Personally I think it’s a game of chicken now, as far as he’s concerned, but he doesn’t have much of a hand.
I reckon if someone comes in with an upfront payment for Leaburn, he’ll take it. Even if it’s £500k
But would Leaburn? He has to agree to any move. If I was him and the contract was right, I certainly would take any chance of getting away from this basket-case of a club.
Chances are anyone coming in with that money or more, would be a club that could pay more than we can and offer better prospects in the short term. I’m convinced he’ll go in Jan and TS will take a fee for him if he’s still in charge - of course, we’ll debate whether or not the fee was enough, but the fact he’ll be sold (imo) is another example of how badly run we’ve been under TS
been thinking a bit about this... just to come at this from another angle - is it possible that TS is valuing our league cup run (perhaps even the FA cup one as well) at some kind of premium? Like it could be a sticking point if we somehow win it there would be value in a QF potential tie against a big club..? Could a win against Brighton and a favourable draw (either way, big team, or potential "easier draw" to get us to a semi) give TS the value he is looking for? Maybe Varney is coming from the POV that big support geeing the team up to a big performance could be enough to get the delusion fool out??
Maybe potential new owners could have said "if you make it through we will give you X over what we are offering" and that is seen in TS's eyes as enough to bail out?
@Airman Brown interested in your opinion on this? How much potentially could a QF away to man u or newcastle on sky be worth potentially to TS and do you think it could make some kind of difference or am I chatting out of my arse as usual?
I don’t think the potential rewards of the EFL Cup are material to a sale of the club.
actually the more i think about it, are you sure that is the case for the sale of a club in regards to TS who doesn't have the stadium or training ground? isn't our membership in the league, this particular cup run, and player valuations all he has?
I’m not sure what you think we are going to make from a run in this competition. Even if we beat Brighton, we don’t know what the fifth round draw might be and it’s unlikely the club would make £1m extra if it got to Wembley, which is obviously not very probable.
The prize for winning it is £100k, half that as losing finalists. Nothing for losing semi-finalists.
TS would lose £1m in the time it takes to get there. He might recoup something in the January transfer market, and that’s potentially much more controllable. Personally I think it’s a game of chicken now, as far as he’s concerned, but he doesn’t have much of a hand.
I reckon if someone comes in with an upfront payment for Leaburn, he’ll take it. Even if it’s £500k
But would Leaburn? He has to agree to any move. If I was him and the contract was right, I certainly would take any chance of getting away from this basket-case of a club.
Chances are anyone coming in with that money or more, would be a club that could pay more than we can and offer better prospects in the short term. I’m convinced he’ll go in Jan and TS will take a fee for him if he’s still in charge - of course, we’ll debate whether or not the fee was enough, but the fact he’ll be sold (imo) is another example of how badly run we’ve been under TS
Totally agree. I'm completely resigned to us losing him in January. The one person I won't be blaming, when he goes, is the player.
This forum always makes me smile. 99% of the forum want Sandgaard out. Peter Varney makes a request for fans to show up at Brighton, I assume to show a potential purchaser the potential that Charlton holds and about half the comments on here are sceptical / negative.
At this point everyone except the clearly deluded want Sandgaard out. Varney is asking us to shove our hands in our pockets for a paltry £15 and come along to support the team. Maybe the sale comes off, maybe it doesn't. Maybe as Charlton fans we should stump up the £15 and do our bit to help.
I think Varney is simply trying to encourage a decent crowd size for a game against a PL team.
There's definitely something behind what he said.
I don't think he would just say that simply for the purpose of getting more fans in.
It's a bit of both. A good atmosphere and to hopefully encourage a new deal.
99% sure there is some interest. Sandgaard doesn't want to own the club anymore.
His own son got moaned at on a train, he's losing money and shooting himself in the foot. His wife has probably told him enough is enough and should give it up.
Owning a football club is not fun. If he sells us soon and holds his hands up, that would be dignified and at least showing some self respect and also care for the club in itself.
We only live once and this shouldn't be a battle or stubborn whinge fest from owners etc
Good post Dave. The dream has turned into an expensive nightmare and Thomas Sandgaard may have made his money through medical products but he can't stop the hemorrhaging of Charlton athletic which is sad after he saw off the leeches but his ego has ruined any chance of rehabilitation of the sick patient which is our nearest and dearest, Charlton athletic Football club ☹️
If a potential new owner is swayed by a large crowd against Brighton then it would suggest they are pretty clueless - getting another owner with no real knowledge or interest in football is not what we need.
However you dress it up we're a mediocre L1 side with a declining fan base.
If a potential new owner is swayed by a large crowd against Brighton then it would suggest they are pretty clueless - getting another owner with no real knowledge or interest in football is not what we need.
However you dress it up we're a mediocre L1 side with a declining fan base.
If a potential new owner is swayed by a large crowd against Brighton then it would suggest they are pretty clueless - getting another owner with no real knowledge or interest in football is not what we need.
However you dress it up we're a mediocre L1 side with a declining fan base.
Oh for Christ’s sake.🫤
I don't get the amazement at people's cynicism?
Have you been living under a rock for fifteen years?
If a potential new owner is swayed by a large crowd against Brighton then it would suggest they are pretty clueless - getting another owner with no real knowledge or interest in football is not what we need.
However you dress it up we're a mediocre L1 side with a declining fan base.
I see that differently.
Yes we are mediocre. The ‘proof’ that may be needed is that the potential remains once in a higher division.
been thinking a bit about this... just to come at this from another angle - is it possible that TS is valuing our league cup run (perhaps even the FA cup one as well) at some kind of premium? Like it could be a sticking point if we somehow win it there would be value in a QF potential tie against a big club..? Could a win against Brighton and a favourable draw (either way, big team, or potential "easier draw" to get us to a semi) give TS the value he is looking for? Maybe Varney is coming from the POV that big support geeing the team up to a big performance could be enough to get the delusion fool out??
Maybe potential new owners could have said "if you make it through we will give you X over what we are offering" and that is seen in TS's eyes as enough to bail out?
@Airman Brown interested in your opinion on this? How much potentially could a QF away to man u or newcastle on sky be worth potentially to TS and do you think it could make some kind of difference or am I chatting out of my arse as usual?
I don’t think the potential rewards of the EFL Cup are material to a sale of the club.
actually the more i think about it, are you sure that is the case for the sale of a club in regards to TS who doesn't have the stadium or training ground? isn't our membership in the league, this particular cup run, and player valuations all he has?
I’m not sure what you think we are going to make from a run in this competition. Even if we beat Brighton, we don’t know what the fifth round draw might be and it’s unlikely the club would make £1m extra if it got to Wembley, which is obviously not very probable.
The prize for winning it is £100k, half that as losing finalists. Nothing for losing semi-finalists.
TS would lose £1m in the time it takes to get there. He might recoup something in the January transfer market, and that’s potentially much more controllable. Personally I think it’s a game of chicken now, as far as he’s concerned, but he doesn’t have much of a hand.
If a potential new owner is swayed by a large crowd against Brighton then it would suggest they are pretty clueless - getting another owner with no real knowledge or interest in football is not what we need.
However you dress it up we're a mediocre L1 side with a declining fan base.
Oh for Christ’s sake.🫤
I don't get the amazement at people's cynicism?
Have you been living under a rock for fifteen years?
I’m as cynical as the next person and when it comes to negativity I can beat most of you but even I can see the sense in what PV is asking us to do. It’s like tidying your hair before an interview - it shouldn’t make any difference whatsoever to you getting the job but …….
been thinking a bit about this... just to come at this from another angle - is it possible that TS is valuing our league cup run (perhaps even the FA cup one as well) at some kind of premium? Like it could be a sticking point if we somehow win it there would be value in a QF potential tie against a big club..? Could a win against Brighton and a favourable draw (either way, big team, or potential "easier draw" to get us to a semi) give TS the value he is looking for? Maybe Varney is coming from the POV that big support geeing the team up to a big performance could be enough to get the delusion fool out??
Maybe potential new owners could have said "if you make it through we will give you X over what we are offering" and that is seen in TS's eyes as enough to bail out?
@Airman Brown interested in your opinion on this? How much potentially could a QF away to man u or newcastle on sky be worth potentially to TS and do you think it could make some kind of difference or am I chatting out of my arse as usual?
I don’t think the potential rewards of the EFL Cup are material to a sale of the club.
actually the more i think about it, are you sure that is the case for the sale of a club in regards to TS who doesn't have the stadium or training ground? isn't our membership in the league, this particular cup run, and player valuations all he has?
I’m not sure what you think we are going to make from a run in this competition. Even if we beat Brighton, we don’t know what the fifth round draw might be and it’s unlikely the club would make £1m extra if it got to Wembley, which is obviously not very probable.
The prize for winning it is £100k, half that as losing finalists. Nothing for losing semi-finalists.
TS would lose £1m in the time it takes to get there. He might recoup something in the January transfer market, and that’s potentially much more controllable. Personally I think it’s a game of chicken now, as far as he’s concerned, but he doesn’t have much of a hand.
so you are saying an away QF draw (televised) at man u or newcastle is not worth much? That was my initial question btw - i'm not talking about prize money.
If a potential new owner is swayed by a large crowd against Brighton then it would suggest they are pretty clueless - getting another owner with no real knowledge or interest in football is not what we need.
However you dress it up we're a mediocre L1 side with a declining fan base.
Oh for Christ’s sake.🫤
I don't get the amazement at people's cynicism?
Have you been living under a rock for fifteen years?
I’m as cynical as the next person and when it comes to negativity I can beat most of you but even I can see the sense in what PV is asking us to do. It’s like tidying your hair before an interview - it shouldn’t make any difference whatsoever to you getting the job but …….
Personally I go because I always go, nothing to do with Peter Varney. I don’t especially enjoy going much, and I fully expect us to get thrashed by Brighton (and Stockport), but the habit is so ingrained it will continue until such time as getting sick of the whole shebang overtakes me. I have always tried to be active in helping Charlton, but age and despair will eventually burn me out and then I won’t bother any more. I certainly do not believe there is a takeover about to happen, we are born to suffer, then we die.
been thinking a bit about this... just to come at this from another angle - is it possible that TS is valuing our league cup run (perhaps even the FA cup one as well) at some kind of premium? Like it could be a sticking point if we somehow win it there would be value in a QF potential tie against a big club..? Could a win against Brighton and a favourable draw (either way, big team, or potential "easier draw" to get us to a semi) give TS the value he is looking for? Maybe Varney is coming from the POV that big support geeing the team up to a big performance could be enough to get the delusion fool out??
Maybe potential new owners could have said "if you make it through we will give you X over what we are offering" and that is seen in TS's eyes as enough to bail out?
@Airman Brown interested in your opinion on this? How much potentially could a QF away to man u or newcastle on sky be worth potentially to TS and do you think it could make some kind of difference or am I chatting out of my arse as usual?
I don’t think the potential rewards of the EFL Cup are material to a sale of the club.
actually the more i think about it, are you sure that is the case for the sale of a club in regards to TS who doesn't have the stadium or training ground? isn't our membership in the league, this particular cup run, and player valuations all he has?
I’m not sure what you think we are going to make from a run in this competition. Even if we beat Brighton, we don’t know what the fifth round draw might be and it’s unlikely the club would make £1m extra if it got to Wembley, which is obviously not very probable.
The prize for winning it is £100k, half that as losing finalists. Nothing for losing semi-finalists.
TS would lose £1m in the time it takes to get there. He might recoup something in the January transfer market, and that’s potentially much more controllable. Personally I think it’s a game of chicken now, as far as he’s concerned, but he doesn’t have much of a hand.
so you are saying an away QF draw (televised) at man u or newcastle is not worth much? That was my initial question btw - i'm not talking about prize money.
Have you been watching our performances recently ? I’m fairly confident that unless Brighton have a pretty awful day they are going to cruise past us. It’s probably a competition they think they could win. Looking beyond that tie and counting our monetary chickens is I think pretty out there.
been thinking a bit about this... just to come at this from another angle - is it possible that TS is valuing our league cup run (perhaps even the FA cup one as well) at some kind of premium? Like it could be a sticking point if we somehow win it there would be value in a QF potential tie against a big club..? Could a win against Brighton and a favourable draw (either way, big team, or potential "easier draw" to get us to a semi) give TS the value he is looking for? Maybe Varney is coming from the POV that big support geeing the team up to a big performance could be enough to get the delusion fool out??
Maybe potential new owners could have said "if you make it through we will give you X over what we are offering" and that is seen in TS's eyes as enough to bail out?
@Airman Brown interested in your opinion on this? How much potentially could a QF away to man u or newcastle on sky be worth potentially to TS and do you think it could make some kind of difference or am I chatting out of my arse as usual?
I don’t think the potential rewards of the EFL Cup are material to a sale of the club.
actually the more i think about it, are you sure that is the case for the sale of a club in regards to TS who doesn't have the stadium or training ground? isn't our membership in the league, this particular cup run, and player valuations all he has?
I’m not sure what you think we are going to make from a run in this competition. Even if we beat Brighton, we don’t know what the fifth round draw might be and it’s unlikely the club would make £1m extra if it got to Wembley, which is obviously not very probable.
The prize for winning it is £100k, half that as losing finalists. Nothing for losing semi-finalists.
TS would lose £1m in the time it takes to get there. He might recoup something in the January transfer market, and that’s potentially much more controllable. Personally I think it’s a game of chicken now, as far as he’s concerned, but he doesn’t have much of a hand.
so you are saying an away QF draw (televised) at man u or newcastle is not worth much? That was my initial question btw - i'm not talking about prize money.
Have you been watching our performances recently ? I’m fairly confident that unless Brighton have a pretty awful day they are going to cruise past us. It’s probably a competition they think they could win. Looking beyond that tie and counting our monetary chickens is I think pretty out there.
without wishing to repeat myself, i'm not talking about our expectations, i'm talking about a deluded TS who is grasping at straws potentially.
If a potential new owner is swayed by a large crowd against Brighton then it would suggest they are pretty clueless - getting another owner with no real knowledge or interest in football is not what we need.
However you dress it up we're a mediocre L1 side with a declining fan base.
Oh for Christ’s sake.🫤
I don't get the amazement at people's cynicism?
Have you been living under a rock for fifteen years?
You must be kidding, I have felt the cynicism like everyone else…..and have stated so a number of times….particularly of late. I agree with some of the hiutb post but not necessarily the first paragraph. No one in their right mind is suggesting that any prospective buyer worth their salt is going to be entirely swayed just by a decent crowd to look at, why would anyone even remotely think that and assume they will buy the club for that reason alone. However, it would “certainly help”and shouldn’t be viewed as a fruitless exercise to try to present ourselves in the best way possible…..surely everyone can realise that. When attending a job interview you put on a smart neutral suit and tie, when selling a car you valet it and make it look as decent as possible, this is precisely the same thing. hiutb is taking his understandable cynicism a step too far, IMHO. I am and will always remain a glass half full individual, particularly when it come to my beloved Addicks.
Personally I go because I always go, nothing to do with Peter Varney. I don’t especially enjoy going much, and I fully expect us to get thrashed by Brighton (and Stockport), but the habit is so ingrained it will continue until such time as getting sick of the whole shebang overtakes me. I have always tried to be active in helping Charlton, but age and despair will eventually burn me out and then I won’t bother any more. I certainly do not believe there is a takeover about to happen, we are born to suffer, then we die.
Can this not have the opposite effect then? At a guess , I should think 95% of people on Charlton life have some sort of idea who Peter Varney is. Away from here though how many people know who PV is? If this crowd isn't as big as his hoping does it have a negative effect? The biggest selling point surely has to be that after years and years of all this sh!t we still have 9000 fans willing to part with their cash on season tickets
If a potential new owner is swayed by a large crowd against Brighton then it would suggest they are pretty clueless - getting another owner with no real knowledge or interest in football is not what we need.
However you dress it up we're a mediocre L1 side with a declining fan base.
If it is a possible buyer with no football knowledge it is not necessary a problem if they have business acumen. Unlike TS they may well have the common sense to know you bring in the appropriate knowledge to run the business.
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Roland 2013
Plenty of reasons to be optimistic 🙂
At this point everyone except the clearly deluded want Sandgaard out. Varney is asking us to shove our hands in our pockets for a paltry £15 and come along to support the team. Maybe the sale comes off, maybe it doesn't. Maybe as Charlton fans we should stump up the £15 and do our bit to help.
Good post Dave.
The dream has turned into an expensive nightmare and Thomas Sandgaard may have made his money through medical products but he can't stop the hemorrhaging of Charlton athletic which is sad after he saw off the leeches but his ego has ruined any chance of rehabilitation of the sick patient which is our nearest and dearest, Charlton athletic Football club ☹️
However you dress it up we're a mediocre L1 side with a declining fan base.
Have you been living under a rock for fifteen years?
I don’t especially enjoy going much, and I fully expect us to get thrashed by Brighton (and Stockport), but the habit is so ingrained it will continue until such time as getting sick of the whole shebang overtakes me.
I have always tried to be active in helping Charlton, but age and despair will eventually burn me out and then I won’t bother any more.
I certainly do not believe there is a takeover about to happen, we are born to suffer, then we die.
I agree with some of the hiutb post but not necessarily the first paragraph.
No one in their right mind is suggesting that any prospective buyer worth their salt is going to be entirely swayed just by a decent crowd to look at, why would anyone even remotely think that and assume they will buy the club for that reason alone.
However, it would “certainly help”and shouldn’t be viewed as a fruitless exercise to try to present ourselves in the best way possible…..surely everyone can realise that.
When attending a job interview you put on a smart neutral suit and tie, when selling a car you valet it and make it look as decent as possible, this is precisely the same thing.
hiutb is taking his understandable cynicism a step too far, IMHO.
I am and will always remain a glass half full individual, particularly when it come to my beloved Addicks.
At a guess , I should think 95% of people on Charlton life have some sort of idea who Peter Varney is.
Away from here though how many people know who PV is?
If this crowd isn't as big as his hoping does it have a negative effect?
The biggest selling point surely has to be that after years and years of all this sh!t we still have 9000 fans willing to part with their cash on season tickets