You get what you pay for in life & as we don't want to pay for players then we get shit. Loads on here said in the summer & again last month that failing to construt a proper squad means you will struggle. Holden the saviour...??? Thanks to him we now dont have proper cover for the injured full backs & the suspended CH. And then swapped one non goalscoring forward for another. Oh for the days of Killer, Super Clive or Darren Bent.
Game was proper poo. Can't believe fans cheering at half time just because we scored in injury time. Said it would end like Bolton & I was right. I even predicted 1-2 on the preview thread. But apparently I dont know what I'm talking about. Sky know their facts though. Its now 33 games......and that's under 3 different managers. I'll only praise a manager when they get that hoodoo off our back. I expect Holden to be scuttling off after his chums soon anyway so I wont have to wait long before manager no 4 has a go of turning around a 1 goal deficit.
Wont be going much anymore. Will go Saturday week as I want to see the Champions elect but after that I'll rather put pins in my eyes. Never seen such crap down The Valley in my 50 years supporting the club.
How sure are you that fewer players/a smaller squad was what the gaffer wanted or what those cutting our resources to the bone in the name of the so called money men were doing regardless of his wishes ?
I could be wrong but I'm clear on my version of this issue....
Andy Scott said so after the window shut. I mean, he could be telling lies like he did over the " I wouldn't be here if I hadn't been promised money" answer. Who knows. Cawley or Mendez could ask Holden I suppose, but he's not likely to answer truthfully either, seeing as he now has a worse squad than he had on Jan 1st.
I’m really surprised that no one has any praise for Clare, who I thought had a very good game today. He provided the few rays of light in an otherwise very poor game.
Thought he made some great runs but ultimately he’s just a really good athlete, not a good footballer.
Know what you mean, but today showed that on a good day he‘a very decent.
I didn't go today or even watch, as I'm treating the missus to a weekend away. I was gutted when I realised I was missing a home match, seems like I dodged a bullet today. Why no Leaburn today?
It may not have been a sending off, but did Innis really need to dive into that tackle? Could he not have just stayed on his feet.
Nopé because he thought he was blocking a possible shoť.
I appreciate most people weren’t watching on Charlton TV, but Inniss isnt getting fair treatment tonight. And certainly not by the officials. I thought he’d been decent by his recent standards, looks like Holden has told him to keep it simple. As for the red, I couldn’t beleive what I was watching. Ref was without question getting advice through his earpiece, having apparently decided not to even give a card. That’s exactly what Curbs and Brownie thought too. And you know what’s really worrying? Even they, professionals talking to active fellow pros all the time, didn’t know who he would be talking to. The lino? As they pointed out, lino was on the far side and had a worse view than the ref. Which leaves the 4th official.
So here’s the question. Can anyone state with 100% confidence what he duties of a 4th official are at a League 1 game?
That decision needs to be overturnsd pdq. It obviously wasnt a red card tackle as Brownie said, in which case its last man, but as the video shows the Fleetwood player was heading away from goal, and Ness was in position to cover if he’d evaded Inniss.
Look this could happen to any team but the intransparency pisses me off big time, and its about time we customers were told what 4th officials do. Do they, for example decide on the amount of injury time? Do they “assist” the ref with decision making? If so how? Only if the ref asks for help? I mean I can remember Jacko doing his nut to 4th officials for fouls given right under the guy’s nose, and all he got was a yellow card.
The rest was shite, per above. And we managed to injure Miles in training. Brilliant. We’d have won that if he’d been available.
Agree with all that bar the last part. As much as Bonne was anonymous, there was very little service to the forward and Chuks and Saki made their own chances.
It just embarrassing. We have lost to a small fishing town with 25,000 people who played us off the park and brought less than 50 fans. We had a full "strength" team and a left back (Penney) whose dive to try and get a penalty was an embarrassment to our club. Awful ref of course but we were already 2-1 down . It has never been this low. I swear.
It just embarrassing. We have lost to a small fishing town with 25,000 people who played us off the park and brought less than 50 fans. We had a full "strength" team and a left back (Penney) whose dive to try and get a penalty was an embarrassment to our club. Awful ref of course but we were already 2-1 down . It has never been this low. I swear.
I know they are a technically 'bigger' club but for me losing to Stockport from a division lower was worse.
I am not sure I have seen a worse fullback at Charlton - Penneys contributions 1) Headed the ball directly to their player to score the first goal 2 ) Lost control of the ball - and knocked it out for a throw on - we touched the ball once after that - when our keeper made a save for a corner which led to their second goal 3 ) Lost the ball in a challenge which led directly to Innis getting sent off Hopefully he Penney will be out for 6 months !!
The only upside today is how good all those who didn’t play now become in Charlton fantasy bullshit land .
imagine living in a world with scum and palace being so superior (no need to imagine it’s reality ) it feels like we’ve morphed in to the scum pathetic gates and team and some bellend fans
And how two different set ups in two windows thought that Macaulay Bonne is what we need I will never know. Must have been a Sandgaard Junior black box special
Give Andy scott the credit he deserves here and Dean Holden too for asking or agreeing to a smaller squad 🤣.
Shocker. A team of league one standard players play like a team of league one players against a team of league one players.
We can blame and point fingers, bemoan our rancid luck and the shitty finger of fate dealt out by the footballing Gods but League one level is where we be. I have reluctantly come to terms now I think. Miracles happen of course but there are no sunny uplands awaiting us anytime soon.
And, on that bright note, I am getting my head down. Nite nite fellow inmates.
I am not sure I have seen a worse fullback at Charlton - Penneys contributions
1) Headed the ball directly to their player to score the first goal
2 ) Lost control of the ball - and knocked it out for a throw on - we touched the ball once after that - when our keeper made a save for a corner which led to their second goal
3 ) Lost the ball in a challenge which led directly to Innis getting sent off
Hopefully he Penney will be out for 6 months !!
addick_for_life said:
I am not sure I have seen a worse fullback at Charlton - Penneys contributions
1) Headed the ball directly to their player to score the first goal
2 ) Lost control of the ball - and knocked it out for a throw on - we touched the ball once after that - when our keeper made a save for a corner which led to their second goal
3 ) Lost the ball in a challenge which led directly to Innis getting sent off
Hopefully he Penney will be out for 6 months !!
addick_for_life said:
I am not sure I have seen a worse fullback at Charlton - Penneys contributions
1) Headed the ball directly to their player to score the first goal
2 ) Lost control of the ball - and knocked it out for a throw on - we touched the ball once after that - when our keeper made a save for a corner which led to their second goal
3 ) Lost the ball in a challenge which led directly to Innis getting sent off
Hopefully he Penney will be out for 6 months !!
I don't wish injury upon him but the Penney will be dropped for sure.
I’m not the greatest Inniss fan but he should never have been sent off. Where I was sitting, fans were applauding for a great tackle. There again, the ref was truly awful. Just looked at the highlights (?) and can’t believe how we gifted Fleetwood their goals. Finally, big respect to the travelling Fleetwood fans.
Hold on though. We've got a lot of people I swear who said we could/might make the play offs and that we had a good transfer window......
Roll on next game and the left back we picked up is bobbins (he was in the first game we played) and we are short in Central defence and centre forward. Which we have been. Since May 2022!
Holden is a half decent manager but we are down to bare bones. Straight after the transfer window.
Michael Hector needs to be decent or we're down to at the back because Holden / the club wanted rid of Terrell Thomas.
You get what you pay for in life & as we don't want to pay for players then we get shit. Loads on here said in the summer & again last month that failing to construt a proper squad means you will struggle. Holden the saviour...??? Thanks to him we now dont have proper cover for the injured full backs & the suspended CH. And then swapped one non goalscoring forward for another. Oh for the days of Killer, Super Clive or Darren Bent.
Game was proper poo. Can't believe fans cheering at half time just because we scored in injury time. Said it would end like Bolton & I was right. I even predicted 1-2 on the preview thread. But apparently I dont know what I'm talking about. Sky know their facts though. Its now 33 games......and that's under 3 different managers. I'll only praise a manager when they get that hoodoo off our back. I expect Holden to be scuttling off after his chums soon anyway so I wont have to wait long before manager no 4 has a go of turning around a 1 goal deficit.
Wont be going much anymore. Will go Saturday week as I want to see the Champions elect but after that I'll rather put pins in my eyes. Never seen such crap down The Valley in my 50 years supporting the club.
How sure are you that fewer players/a smaller squad was what the gaffer wanted or what those cutting our resources to the bone in the name of the so called money men were doing regardless of his wishes ?
I could be wrong but I'm clear on my version of this issue....
Holden's words:-
“Essentially, we went into the start of the window with, in my opinion, a squad that was too big. We were leaving five or six players, sometimes more, at home during away games. At times we were looking to do an 11-v-11 in training - say on a Tuesday with a Saturday game on the horizon - and we were having to tell three or four players that they wouldn’t be involved in that and that they would be training with the U21s.
“We talk about building a culture, a togetherness and a spirit within the group; footballers are competitive animals and they all want to be involved. We’ve now got a group which is tighter in terms of numbers. They will all have a feeling that, if they are not quite starting, they are only one chance away from getting in. That’s important in terms of training, the discipline, the standards, the winning nature and what that looks like.
“We wanted to lower the numbers and we’ve done that. We’ve brought five players in and eight have left. We needed some balance, which I’ve touched on before. We have that with Matt Penney coming in on that left-hand side and we’ve brought players in who have played at a higher level and who know what it looks like to get promoted and what it takes to get there. I’m not talking about results; I’m talking about daily standards.
The Innis incident starts at 1:31 for anyone who wants to re-watch it. I think he might actually get the ball first, and it looks like he’s not the last man back. No idea how that’s a red.
Ridiculous descision by the ref. Innis had to make the tackle otherwise the guy could pull the trigger.
If that was Ness I am sure there would be a different narrative.
Pretty sure Solly wasn't booked or sent off mucb and he was as hard a tackler as I've known in a Charlton short. I wonder if his size worked in his favour with refs. Maybe he was also of a better standard than Innis.
Living in France I watch all the games on CharltonTV and I’m usually a pretty positive guy, but Charlton do make it difficult, don’t they?
As a bit of fun and to distract from what’s happening on- and off-pitch here is my top three commentaries from virtually every single Charlton match this season:
1: that’s a heavy first touch; 2: his first touch has let him down there; 3: and he’s given it straight back to the opponents.
I don’t think we’re going down, but mid-table mediocrity becons!
The new boys didn't cut the mustard and the debacle of the pivotal centre back position with O'Connell gone, Inniss out already and others who have a tiny handful of games behind them to cover ... I reckon we could be left wide open.
I thought Fleetwood's first goal was a cracking shot, but should have been saved. Rooney was what 24 yards out, and the ball passed MB within an arm stretch . As for the second goal - a picture tells a thousand words.
The other thing that grieves me is the way that football is played in League One. Most weeks a team (including us) will seek to disrupt the game, time waste, feign injury and use general gamesmanship. Yeah it may get you over the line to victory, but my god it does the profession no good whatsoever. It's too late for me as I am serving a life sentence, but if I were a casual observer or new supporter I'd be hard pressed to go again to witness that.
Ridiculous descision by the ref. Innis had to make the tackle otherwise the guy could pull the trigger.
If that was Ness I am sure there would be a different narrative.
Pretty sure Solly wasn't booked or sent off mucb and he was as hard a tackler as I've known in a Charlton short. I wonder if his size worked in his favour with refs. Maybe he was also of a better standard than Innis.
For the avoidance of doubt Solly was a much better player than Innis. But it wasn’t a red card yesterday.
Not much to add to my comments on the match thread. A very Charlton afternoon.
Speculative shot from outside the area (that fell to him so quickly I can't criticise the "closing down" - there was no time for a defender to get there) which flew in and that 95% of the time AMB would have saved. A defensive howler to leave a player unmarked in the six yard box and Inniss getting sent off - even though on this occasion he shouldn't have been.
I agree with Prague, who the hell made that decision?
Why don’t we shoot earlier , why do we insist on taking the extra touches that give the defenders and keeper a chance to recover ? The Fraser chance when it opened up for him , CBT when he was momentarily one on one .
I’m not the greatest Inniss fan but he should never have been sent off. Where I was sitting, fans were applauding for a great tackle. There again, the ref was truly awful. Just looked at the highlights (?) and can’t believe how we gifted Fleetwood their goals. Finally, big respect to the travelling Fleetwood fans.
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How has the ref sent him off, ref should be the one banned for showing a red card for that 🤦♂️
1) Headed the ball directly to their player to score the first goal
2 ) Lost control of the ball - and knocked it out for a throw on - we touched the ball once after that - when our keeper made a save for a corner which led to their second goal
3 ) Lost the ball in a challenge which led directly to Innis getting sent off
Hopefully he Penney will be out for 6 months !!
imagine living in a world with scum and palace being so superior (no need to imagine it’s reality )
it feels like we’ve morphed in to the scum
pathetic gates and team and some bellend fans
Weak from Fraser, either that or he trips over his team mate
I want. a VAR on his barnet.
got to be a big stewards on that
“Essentially, we went into the start of the window with, in my opinion, a squad that was too big. We were leaving five or six players, sometimes more, at home during away games. At times we were looking to do an 11-v-11 in training - say on a Tuesday with a Saturday game on the horizon - and we were having to tell three or four players that they wouldn’t be involved in that and that they would be training with the U21s.
“We talk about building a culture, a togetherness and a spirit within the group; footballers are competitive animals and they all want to be involved. We’ve now got a group which is tighter in terms of numbers. They will all have a feeling that, if they are not quite starting, they are only one chance away from getting in. That’s important in terms of training, the discipline, the standards, the winning nature and what that looks like.
“We wanted to lower the numbers and we’ve done that. We’ve brought five players in and eight have left. We needed some balance, which I’ve touched on before. We have that with Matt Penney coming in on that left-hand side and we’ve brought players in who have played at a higher level and who know what it looks like to get promoted and what it takes to get there. I’m not talking about results; I’m talking about daily standards.
https://www.charltonafc.com/news/dean-holden-assesses-winter-window
As a bit of fun and to distract from what’s happening on- and off-pitch here is my top three commentaries from virtually every single Charlton match this season:
1: that’s a heavy first touch;
2: his first touch has let him down there;
3: and he’s given it straight back to the opponents.
I don’t think we’re going down, but mid-table mediocrity becons!
The new boys didn't cut the mustard and the debacle of the pivotal centre back position with O'Connell gone, Inniss out already and others who have a tiny handful of games behind them to cover ... I reckon we could be left wide open.
I thought Fleetwood's first goal was a cracking shot, but should have been saved. Rooney was what 24 yards out, and the ball passed MB within an arm stretch . As for the second goal - a picture tells a thousand words.
The other thing that grieves me is the way that football is played in League One. Most weeks a team (including us) will seek to disrupt the game, time waste, feign injury and use general gamesmanship. Yeah it may get you over the line to victory, but my god it does the profession no good whatsoever. It's too late for me as I am serving a life sentence, but if I were a casual observer or new supporter I'd be hard pressed to go again to witness that.
Phew, I need a lie down
Speculative shot from outside the area (that fell to him so quickly I can't criticise the "closing down" - there was no time for a defender to get there) which flew in and that 95% of the time AMB would have saved. A defensive howler to leave a player unmarked in the six yard box and Inniss getting sent off - even though on this occasion he shouldn't have been.
I agree with Prague, who the hell made that decision?
Our attacks kept fizzling out due to poor decision making - should be scoring more.
One way said the stewards could man mark them!