I'd still love to see Nombe but he won't be cheap - alternative would be Smith or would like to see us go after Stansfield on a loan deal. Think him and May together would do some serious damage.
Jay Stansfield would be an absolute dream loan signing. Will be interesting to see how Fulham see fit to develop him and whether it's another year in League 1 or a championship side.
Wouldn't mind Amos as CDM depth but he's been injured a lot whilst at QPR . Think Smith will go elsewhere unfortunately.
Smith seems realistic to me, if he’s waiting for Championship offers that now looks unlikely. Are there many L1 clubs throwing big money around?
I don't see where he fits into a 352 when we already have may. Won't join to sit on the bench.
I don't know enough about him, if he's similar to May then I agree. If we have a decent budget then 3 senior strikers (counting Leaburn as 1 and excluding Aneke) is the bare minimum we need. Ideally 4 (again excluding Aneke) which will allow Kanu to go on loan.
Wouldn't mind Amos as CDM depth but he's been injured a lot whilst at QPR . Think Smith will go elsewhere unfortunately.
Smith seems realistic to me, if he’s waiting for Championship offers that now looks unlikely. Are there many L1 clubs throwing big money around?
I don't see where he fits into a 352 when we already have may. Won't join to sit on the bench.
Still room for a second striker to come in with Leaburn and Aneke missing the start of the season, no reason he can't join and play alongside May with Leaburn and Aneke to force there way back in once fit again.
True, I didn't realise he was 6ft1. Left footed too. Aneke I'd be surprised if we see again.
I'd still love to see Nombe but he won't be cheap - alternative would be Smith or would like to see us go after Stansfield on a loan deal. Think him and May together would do some serious damage.
I think stansfield is in a similar position to Rak-Sakyi. He will either be part of Fulham’s squad or on loan in the championship. Don’t think there’s any chance of him coming back to this level
is there any reason that lad who got 40 odd goals in the u21s couldn't step up to the squad this season?
Not saying as a regular or anything - if Leaburn and JRS can do it as a couple of teenagers in their first season then why not?
Because not all people age in the same way. Compare Rooney and Kane, by any metric, from 17 to 22.
Bowyer was a first team star for us at 18. Parker wasn't.
can you elaborate a bit on this? Not saying you are wrong, but are you basing this assessment on size? maturity? mindset? the "X Factor"? I don't know anything about youth football, or what means someone can "make it"
If we were still Prem and a lad like Casey came around scoring for fun in u21 competition - wouldn't we be looking for a league 1 or 2 club to loan him out to this season?
is there any reason that lad who got 40 odd goals in the u21s couldn't step up to the squad this season?
Not saying as a regular or anything - if Leaburn and JRS can do it as a couple of teenagers in their first season then why not?
Because not all people age in the same way. Compare Rooney and Kane, by any metric, from 17 to 22.
Bowyer was a first team star for us at 18. Parker wasn't.
can you elaborate a bit on this? Not saying you are wrong, but are you basing this assessment on size? maturity? mindset? the "X Factor"? I don't know anything about youth football, or what means someone can "make it"
If we were still Prem and a lad like Casey came around scoring for fun in u21 competition - wouldn't we be looking for a league 1 or 2 club to loan him out to this season?
I dunno... i'm just asking the question.
It's an impossible question to answer because there are so many variables.
Rooney was a "man" at 17, probably in the best 5 players in the world at 20. Kane couldn't get in the Leicester team at 20.
Troy Parrot, who could be an example for the second paragraph didn't really set the world alight when Spurs loaned him out to league 1 clubs. He might still come good though.
Cesc Fàbregas was a first team regular at Arsenal when he was 17, he didn't have the obvious physical advantage Rooney had.
Bowyer and Shevley were at about 80% of the player they would become when they were 18 or 19, Parker was about 60%.
There is a good interview with Nick Powell going round at the moment. At 17-18 he had the world at his feet, at 30 he has just signed for Stockport.
It's not an exact science, Bojan, is another one. Actually a lot of these played for Stoke so it's probably @bobmunro fault!
In short, if a player has done well in u18/u21 football there is no guarantee that they will "make it" and because some players are ready at 17/18 doesn't mean everyone will be. Unless your playing at 3 or 4 levels below your "natural" level most players aren't ready as teenagers. The ones that are are special.
is there any reason that lad who got 40 odd goals in the u21s couldn't step up to the squad this season?
Not saying as a regular or anything - if Leaburn and JRS can do it as a couple of teenagers in their first season then why not?
Because not all people age in the same way. Compare Rooney and Kane, by any metric, from 17 to 22.
Bowyer was a first team star for us at 18. Parker wasn't.
can you elaborate a bit on this? Not saying you are wrong, but are you basing this assessment on size? maturity? mindset? the "X Factor"? I don't know anything about youth football, or what means someone can "make it"
If we were still Prem and a lad like Casey came around scoring for fun in u21 competition - wouldn't we be looking for a league 1 or 2 club to loan him out to this season?
I dunno... i'm just asking the question.
Kanu looked lethal at youth level but as soon as he stepped up he looked like exactly what he is/was - a boy against men.
That's not to say he won't still come good but pure talent isn't enough for a breakthrough season. If you look at some of the younger ones who do make it, they are often absolute units (a la Leaburn, or Rooney) or have speed or athleticism way beyond their years.
A breakthrough season for a promising kid SHOULD be a happy unplanned bonus and not actually part of any plan.
We know the club are still in for a striker and there are strikers in our sights that very much fit the bill. Yes we’ll have competition because all of Ladapo, Smith, Nombe and JCH are all proven ready at our level. I wouldn’t rule out any of the above ending up playing for us.
is there any reason that lad who got 40 odd goals in the u21s couldn't step up to the squad this season?
Not saying as a regular or anything - if Leaburn and JRS can do it as a couple of teenagers in their first season then why not?
Because not all people age in the same way. Compare Rooney and Kane, by any metric, from 17 to 22.
Bowyer was a first team star for us at 18. Parker wasn't.
can you elaborate a bit on this? Not saying you are wrong, but are you basing this assessment on size? maturity? mindset? the "X Factor"? I don't know anything about youth football, or what means someone can "make it"
If we were still Prem and a lad like Casey came around scoring for fun in u21 competition - wouldn't we be looking for a league 1 or 2 club to loan him out to this season?
I dunno... i'm just asking the question.
Kanu looked lethal at youth level but as soon as he stepped up he looked like exactly what he is/was - a boy against men.
That's not to say he won't still come good but pure talent isn't enough for a breakthrough season. If you look at some of the younger ones who do make it, they are often absolute units (a la Leaburn, or Rooney) or have speed or athleticism way beyond their years.
A breakthrough season for a promising kid SHOULD be a happy unplanned bonus and not actually part of any plan.
Think he has suffered having to play as a lone striker.
I agree if we are playing 2 upfront then he can get 20 minutes here and there and go from there.
Speaking to some Exeter supporting family and they reckon they’d be asking £1m-£1.25m for Nombe…
I think that similar to what Peterborough will end up asking for Clarke-Harris as his contract is up next summer. I think both will end up going for less.
Speaking to some Exeter supporting family and they reckon they’d be asking £1m-£1.25m for Nombe…
I think that similar to what Peterborough will end up asking for Clarke-Harris as his contract is up next summer. I think both will end up going for less.
Yeah it's a part of the game that is transfers. Setting out a "public" price that is above market value so you can negotiate to the actual value you expected all along.
Unless your Charlton of course and flog off everyone on the cheap
I'd be amazed if we signed Stansfield from Fulham. Should get a Championship loan but if it's league one again for him it would surely be Exeter again given the Stansfield family connection having unretired his dad's former number 9 shirt for him last season.
Stansfield scored 9 league goals last season in 28 starts and 8 sub apps. Maybe his all round play is very good but that record doesn’t suggest he’ll definitely be in the Championship next season compared to someone like JRS.
Stansfield scored 9 league goals last season in 28 starts and 8 sub apps. Maybe his all round play is very good but that record doesn’t suggest he’ll definitely be in the Championship next season compared to someone like JRS.
Including a last day hatrick. Very ordinary stats! I think he gets bogged up a lot just because it's a good story.
I'm not sure how many minutes leaburn played but I'd be surprised if it was as many as stansfield and he scored more
JCH and May would be the basis for shot at promotion If he has one year left on his deal and the new owners have some cash then it could happen I guess
JCH and May would be the basis for shot at promotion If he has one year left on his deal and the new owners have some cash then it could happen I guess
It’s definitely possible. As the window closing draws nearer Peterborough will begin to be a bit more realistic as to the fee. Not necessarily that helpful though as that increases the number of clubs that will become more interested. I still think it’s probably unlikely.
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Jay Stansfield would be an absolute dream loan signing. Will be interesting to see how Fulham see fit to develop him and whether it's another year in League 1 or a championship side.
Beyond that, we'll play a minimum of 51 games, so if we're playing two upfront you could have 3 playing 30, 40 games each.
Squad game these days, we can't go in with May and Leaburn only supported by Aneke and Kanu unless we want Kanu to end up playing 30 odd games.
Any striker coming in should be backing themselves to start well and keep Leaburn on the bench when he comes back anyway.
Not saying as a regular or anything - if Leaburn and JRS can do it as a couple of teenagers in their first season then why not?
Bowyer was a first team star for us at 18. Parker wasn't.
If we were still Prem and a lad like Casey came around scoring for fun in u21 competition - wouldn't we be looking for a league 1 or 2 club to loan him out to this season?
I dunno... i'm just asking the question.
Rooney was a "man" at 17, probably in the best 5 players in the world at 20. Kane couldn't get in the Leicester team at 20.
Troy Parrot, who could be an example for the second paragraph didn't really set the world alight when Spurs loaned him out to league 1 clubs. He might still come good though.
Cesc Fàbregas was a first team regular at Arsenal when he was 17, he didn't have the obvious physical advantage Rooney had.
Bowyer and Shevley were at about 80% of the player they would become when they were 18 or 19, Parker was about 60%.
There is a good interview with Nick Powell going round at the moment. At 17-18 he had the world at his feet, at 30 he has just signed for Stockport.
There is Adrian Doherty
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/15/adrian-doherty-manchester-united-class-of-92
It's not an exact science, Bojan, is another one. Actually a lot of these played for Stoke so it's probably @bobmunro fault!In short, if a player has done well in u18/u21 football there is no guarantee that they will "make it" and because some players are ready at 17/18 doesn't mean everyone will be. Unless your playing at 3 or 4 levels below your "natural" level most players aren't ready as teenagers. The ones that are are special.
That's not to say he won't still come good but pure talent isn't enough for a breakthrough season. If you look at some of the younger ones who do make it, they are often absolute units (a la Leaburn, or Rooney) or have speed or athleticism way beyond their years.
A breakthrough season for a promising kid SHOULD be a happy unplanned bonus and not actually part of any plan.
Unless your Charlton of course and flog off everyone on the cheap
If he has one year left on his deal and the new owners have some cash then it could happen I guess
Could well be joining Knibbs at Reading.