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Only surprise there is Henry - from what I've seen he looks too slow.
Hector is an upgrade on Inniss and just the sort of experienced player we need alongside a younger player like Ness and I think Thomas is being kept on due to his end of season form and versatility covering left back.
Morgan has had plenty of chances and can't be knocked for effort but just doesn't have the consistency or quality needed to be a regular starter.
Clare is no defender and yet that is where he has played mostly for us due to injuries and lack of squad depth - we need proper defenders - youngsters if necessary to provide cover in defence rather than using players out of position. I don't think Clare is good enough to play midfield so a good idea to move him on.
I hope some of the players returning from loan can be offloaded too as apart from McGrandles none of them have done enough on loan to deserve a start in our team.11 -
A bit sorry to see Clair given the heave ho……I liked his somewhat Cavalier attitude re wanting to push play forward, would like to have seen him given a run at playing midfield where I believe his talent might have improved….there’s no doubting that was where he wanted to play and it showed.6
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He certainly knew how to pass backwards that's for sure...🙄Covered End said:
I could. When the going got tough Morgan went awol.TEL said:Only one I think I'll miss is Morgan. Could t fault his work rate.
Also, he didn't track back anywhere near enough.3 -
Would have offered Morgan/Innis a new deal. I thought Lavelle having a further year on his deal (Not guaranteed we will be able to shift him) and Thomas ability to cover LB probably made Innis redundant.Will take an wait and see approach on Morgan decision.0
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Depends I suppose if the deal we’ve offered is competitive or not. I suppose time will tellCroydon said:
Don't think option 2 sits with the fact that we've offered Hector a deal - he won't be cheap.AFKABartram said:
There’s two ways of looking at it I suppose.Elthamaddick said:Well played Deano, massive clear out there
interesting summer now1. Ruthless and encouraging that we want to replace with better players
2. Tightening budget and looking to scale back where we can
Not quite sure where I sit tbh
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Interesting to read about the conflicting reports re; deals offered to Inniss and Morgan. Likewise, I expect the Clare we bought two years ago and the wages he was on, aren’t the wages we want to pay him now (nor can afford). If Holden did offer them all new deals, albeit on lower money, that would be a bit worrying for me on 2 counts. One, he thought they still had something to offer, two, it would imply there’s a continued focus on cost cutting and that doesn’t bode well when it comes to being able to pay the wages of the sorts of players we need to get us out of this division.
You could also say that Holden has been a bit more ruthless in saying to those players, you can stay, but you’ll be on less money and see less game time so I can use what I’ve saved on you, to put toward better. Not renewing Clare and offering a deal to Hector May imply that.We’ll all have our views, and some may be disappointed to see them go. For me, I won’t miss any of them. I wish Morgan good luck given he came through our youth system, but ultimately, if he wants a career where he can make an impact, I think that lies in league one. Wouldn’t be surprised if Clare got another league one team, not top end, and depending on what that club could offer him re: wages. Inniss, imo would be better off pursuing a career as a scaffolder, but can see him at somewhere like Sutton next season, maybe even Bromley.The big challenge is do we have incoming owners who know what and how much it will take to get promoted. A repeat of the Jan window under CM (supposedly) and albeit it was a Jan window, would be a disaster, and a repeat of last summer’s window would be just as big a disaster
The other elephants in the room are the returning loanees. Only McGrandles imo has a shot of playing his way into Holden’s plans, leaving Mansfield, Kirk and Lavelle taking up room adding very little. It’s hard to believe any of them will be given another shot. Then we’ve got the injured elephant, Aneke. Our squad is a mess even if we had kept or keep some of the out of contract players on.2 -
Without exactly elaborating, Garner and others have spoken about an attitude/culture problem at the club.
I just hope that it is swept away with the players leaving and replaced with a new positive belief by the new arrivals.17 -
personally, I think the priority now should be to get some of those retained out the door; Kirk, DJ, Lavelle. That’s the clear out we really need imo40
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Does anyone really believe Holden had much of a say in who did or didn't get offered a new contract?0
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It's the same reason that Chris Powell told us back in 2011 ..... major clearout in order to change the mentality in the squad.Chunes said:
Nonetheless it's very positive news. We can't keep doing what we're doing and expecting different results.
It goes beyond just ability, the mentality on the pitch over the past few seasons has been diabolical.
And I really trust Holden, with his psychological approach, to judge who he wants in his camp.
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Spot on, just because we’ve offered Hector a deal doesn’t mean we’ve offered a good deal nor that he’s signed the deal. I reckon there’s still a decent chance he ends up somewhere better than Charlton.AFKABartram said:
Depends I suppose if the deal we’ve offered is competitive or not. I suppose time will tellCroydon said:
Don't think option 2 sits with the fact that we've offered Hector a deal - he won't be cheap.AFKABartram said:
There’s two ways of looking at it I suppose.Elthamaddick said:Well played Deano, massive clear out there
interesting summer now1. Ruthless and encouraging that we want to replace with better players
2. Tightening budget and looking to scale back where we can
Not quite sure where I sit tbh
We needed a clear out, we've been asking for a clear out, we're getting a clear out. Only positive imo4 -
Who says we are keeping both ?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Surprised we're keeping both AMB and Woolacott- both will want a starting place.talalsrightfoot said:Big clear out and honestly not too disapointed either way.
Innis, Bonne and Gilbey wasnt shocking tbh.
Clare and Morgan have been hot and cold this season but will miss Clares versatility as other C Lifers have pointed out.
Harness i thought would be in with a shout as assumed neither AMB or Wollacoot would accept being number 20 -
Negotiating / Offering the likes of Hector a contract, makes it at least look like we're not just keeping the grand-a-weekers and pushing the boat out a bit. Assuming he's being offered an improved deal and not less money 🤷♂️Rob7Lee said:Does anyone really believe Holden had much of a say in who did or didn't get offered a new contract?0 -
Rob7Lee said:Does anyone really believe Holden had much of a say in who did or didn't get offered a new contract?
I think Dean Holden had a say but probably not the wages on any new contracts.0 -
There’s a few people who don’t seem to be quite understanding what the released list is… If they’re in contract, you can’t just get rid of them.
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Not sure his problem was red mist - more the lack of a footballing brain.EveshamAddick said:
Inniss gave us some much needed height at the back and considerably more grit - unfortunately he didn’t really turn up with many goals from the back, his injury record was terrible, and had a real problem with the red mist.thickandthin63 said:Surprised Morgan has gone,seeing as how regularly he played under Holden,Disappointed about Innis as I liked him,but there you go.Just hope Hector and Thomas sign or we are in trouble at CB.The clear out that many people wanted has happened,I await with some trepidation their replacements.3 -
Yup my mistake I forgot we resigned him on a 3yr contract. A stupid piece of business and now we're stuck with him. Can only hope he has overcome his injury issues and can actually get through preseason without any reoccurrence!Covered End said:
Chucks has a contract.Redmidland said:Wow that's a clear out and not before time. Garner saw Morgan as a 10, Holden gets rid! Innis has surprised me as I saw an improvement in his game (not the hot headedness) when playing alongside Hector.
I hope Hector signs for us, but outside of that I'm reserving judgement until I see what players are coming in. Would we offer a contract to Seesegnon once his deal with Fulham has expired? Glad to see the back of Bonne, and Gilbey. Well done to Holden, now let's get new owners and give Holden who he needs by spending some cash!
Finally why keep Chucks? I see no point with his injury record.
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Always struck me as a player who didn't want to play right back, hence his desire to always get away from that position whenever he was playing.SoundAsa£ said:A bit sorry to see Clair given the heave ho……I liked his somewhat Cavalier attitude re wanting to push play forward, would like to have seen him given a run at playing midfield where I believe his talent might have improved….there’s no doubting that was where he wanted to play and it showed.2 -
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Yes.Rob7Lee said:Does anyone really believe Holden had much of a say in who did or didn't get offered a new contract?17 -
Redmidland said:
Yup my mistake I forgot we resigned him on a 3yr contract. A stupid piece of business and now we're stuck with him. Can only hope he has overcome his injury issues and can actually get through preseason without any reoccurrence!Covered End said:
Chucks has a contract.Redmidland said:Wow that's a clear out and not before time. Garner saw Morgan as a 10, Holden gets rid! Innis has surprised me as I saw an improvement in his game (not the hot headedness) when playing alongside Hector.
I hope Hector signs for us, but outside of that I'm reserving judgement until I see what players are coming in. Would we offer a contract to Seesegnon once his deal with Fulham has expired? Glad to see the back of Bonne, and Gilbey. Well done to Holden, now let's get new owners and give Holden who he needs by spending some cash!
Finally why keep Chucks? I see no point with his injury record.
3 and a half year deal - only 2 more years to go!Redmidland said:
Yup my mistake I forgot we resigned him on a 3yr contract. A stupid piece of business and now we're stuck with him. Can only hope he has overcome his injury issues and can actually get through preseason without any reoccurrence!Covered End said:
Chucks has a contract.Redmidland said:Wow that's a clear out and not before time. Garner saw Morgan as a 10, Holden gets rid! Innis has surprised me as I saw an improvement in his game (not the hot headedness) when playing alongside Hector.
I hope Hector signs for us, but outside of that I'm reserving judgement until I see what players are coming in. Would we offer a contract to Seesegnon once his deal with Fulham has expired? Glad to see the back of Bonne, and Gilbey. Well done to Holden, now let's get new owners and give Holden who he needs by spending some cash!
Finally why keep Chucks? I see no point with his injury record.
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I feel a little sorry for Albie, as he always gave his all and I don't think anyone worked out what was his best role. He needs a manager and a club where he is given a long run in a defined role - unfortunately, Charlton is not suited for undertaking such an experiment.5
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I don't. He has had plenty of chances to show what he could do and didn't take any of them.sm said:I feel a little sorry for Albie, as he always gave his all and I don't think anyone worked out what was his best role. He needs a manager and a club where he is given a long run in a defined role - unfortunately, Charlton is not suited for undertaking such an experiment.
I would be interested if anyone, who wanted him to stay, could tell me what he does consistently well. I hope he goes on and has a successful career but I'm not holding my breath.5 -
If you added up the weekly wages , of players that have just been let go how much will that knock off the wage bill, and have we reached break even yet?0
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5 Red Cards, Inniss should be a Door supervisor rather than playing football.1
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I'm not getting excited until I see who we replace them with, given the reaction to last year's list at the time, and how the replacement efforts panned out.AFKABartram said:
There’s two ways of looking at it I suppose.Elthamaddick said:Well played Deano, massive clear out there
interesting summer now1. Ruthless and encouraging that we want to replace with better players
2. Tightening budget and looking to scale back where we can
Not quite sure where I sit tbh
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Clare worked well with JRS down the right. With JRS gone then no need to keep Clare.SoundAsa£ said:A bit sorry to see Clair given the heave ho……I liked his somewhat Cavalier attitude re wanting to push play forward, would like to have seen him given a run at playing midfield where I believe his talent might have improved….there’s no doubting that was where he wanted to play and it showed.0 -
Not even close. I think the last accounts suggested we were losing £10M an year excluding income from transfer fees. Based on that we would need to reduce wages by circa £200k per week to break even. The salaries of the players released won’t even touch the sides.Mendonca In Asdas said:If you added up the weekly wages , of players that have just been let go how much will that knock off the wage bill, and have we reached break even yet?Breaking even is a total fallacy for a club like us in L1.7 -
Yeah, I dont expect either Hector or Thomas to be here next season. Hector can certainly get better elsewhere.se9addick said:
Spot on, just because we’ve offered Hector a deal doesn’t mean we’ve offered a good deal nor that he’s signed the deal. I reckon there’s still a decent chance he ends up somewhere better than Charlton.AFKABartram said:
Depends I suppose if the deal we’ve offered is competitive or not. I suppose time will tellCroydon said:
Don't think option 2 sits with the fact that we've offered Hector a deal - he won't be cheap.AFKABartram said:
There’s two ways of looking at it I suppose.Elthamaddick said:Well played Deano, massive clear out there
interesting summer now1. Ruthless and encouraging that we want to replace with better players
2. Tightening budget and looking to scale back where we can
Not quite sure where I sit tbh
We needed a clear out, we've been asking for a clear out, we're getting a clear out. Only positive imo0
