1. Ruthless and encouraging that we want to replace with better players
2. Tightening budget and looking to scale back where we can
Not quite sure where I sit tbh
Don't think option 2 sits with the fact that we've offered Hector a deal - he won't be cheap.
We needed a clear out, we've been asking for a clear out, we're getting a clear out. Only positive imo
Depends I suppose if the deal we’ve offered is competitive or not. I suppose time will tell
Spot on, just because we’ve offered Hector a deal doesn’t mean we’ve offered a good deal nor that he’s signed the deal. I reckon there’s still a decent chance he ends up somewhere better than Charlton.
Yeah, I dont expect either Hector or Thomas to be here next season. Hector can certainly get better elsewhere.
Thomas is a possibility, I wouldn’t over pay him though. Hector will have (much) better offers, I would imagine the only thing that might keep him here is if his personal situation dictates that it’s better for him.
Well this has shocked me a bit ! Like most I was calling for it to happen and havent got any complaints re any of the released list. On a personal not I'm chuffed Albie has gone ( I wish him well wherever he ends up ) if only because it will stop the "he will come good, he is only young" cries on here 🙄 I think he will join JJ myself. This could be a massive positive or a massive negative depending on the level of signings we bring in to replace them
It will obviously depend on who comes in to replace those who are being let go.
But I view this released/retained list as hugely positive for the direction of the team.
My feelings on Gilbey, Clare, Inniss and Morgan speak for themselves, added to the fact that we’re offering a contract to the best of the out of contract lot and that leaves me feeling positive about what’s to come. I do tend to believe that Dean has control over who gets an offer and who doesn’t, and that this isn’t just cost cutting.
We could realistically end up with less squad depth and get worse without these players. However, if we keep too many of them we’ll continue to tread water in mid table of this league.
You have to take the chance and move on elements of the squad. That allows you to look to bring in better and move up the table next year. Every club has to do it every summer to improve. If you stand still, you’re going backwards.
We needed something drastic because 10th-13th in League One isn’t good enough for Charlton Athletic, and that’s what these players have led us to.
If you added up the weekly wages , of players that have just been let go how much will that knock off the wage bill, and have we reached break even yet?
You could have no first team squad and we still wouldn't break even.
Could we have offered Henry a new contract on not particularly good terms so he either accepts low wages or he gets released and we ensure we get compensation from whoever picks him up. Didn't we do similar with Fosu a few years back?
1. Ruthless and encouraging that we want to replace with better players
2. Tightening budget and looking to scale back where we can
Not quite sure where I sit tbh
I'm not getting excited until I see who we replace them with, given the reaction to last year's list at the time, and how the replacement efforts panned out.
Agreed, I was ok with Washington going, until I realised he wasn't to be replaced.
Before the season starts I think we’ll see at least 5 more departures, with 1/2 of those players ones we wanted to keep. I’d love to think these changes are a positive sign but after recent years I can’t help but feel we’ll be fighting relegation next year. Surely we’re due a change of luck?!
I must say I'm surprised the clear out is being greeted so positively as it seemed quite a few were advocating to keep this lot as 'squad players.'
Nonetheless it's very positive news. We can't keep doing what we're doing and expecting different results. It goes beyond just ability, the mentality on the pitch over the past few seasons has been diabolical. And I really trust Holden, with his psychological approach, to judge who he wants in his camp.
Saying a player is no more than a squad player ain't quite the same as saying you want to keep them as a squad player
I wasn't referencing you, Gibbo. But there were discussions with a few posters who felt the above way, and also felt a proper rebuild was too ambitious. I'd be interested to hear why they feel different now.
Depending on our budget for next season, Hector is the only player I’d have offered a contract to.
I think Clare and Morgan wouldn’t have been the worst keeps at all, but I take it as a positive that we’ve moved them on. I think McGrandles is a better option than Morgan, so at the worst we already potentially have back up for that ‘box to box’ position - and I really liked Clare as a human being, but he was just not the required standard.
Bit miffed around Thomas. Again he’s not been terrible, has shown some versatility, and maybe Holden is looking to play a 3-5-2 and wants him on/to cover the left hand side of that. However just can’t help but feel we could roll the dice with a potential better replacement.
Henry I’m a bit meh on as well. I’d rather play Mitchell in that position than him.
1. Ruthless and encouraging that we want to replace with better players
2. Tightening budget and looking to scale back where we can
Not quite sure where I sit tbh
I'm not getting excited until I see who we replace them with, given the reaction to last year's list at the time, and how the replacement efforts panned out.
Agreed, I was ok with Washington going, until I realised he wasn't to be replaced.
They couldn't wait to get his wage off the books ( rumoured to be £10,000 a week) so he sought pastures new. He told a friend of mine at Bexleyheath Golf Club but did not disclose the actual wage.
Guys manage your expectations with regard to Zach Mitchell. Undoubtedly an excellent prospect, but still young and inexperienced in men's football. Maybe he will start next season and simply be as good as Joe Gomez for 46 games I would be delighted but I would be surprised. He still needs to develop and get the right kind of experience, even Lucas Ness has a bit of a way to go. Elewere might be a pick ahead of Mitchell in the near future. We need a first pick main man type of bloke at the centre of defence, and as I type this I am not sure who that might be.
General consensus - and my feelings too - seem to be pretty positive about the decisions made.
FWIW I feel Morgan has had enough chances, whereas I guess they feel Henry deserves a bit longer. Though Henry doesn't look the part (to me), there's some logic in not being too hasty to discard him, whereas Albie just hasn't pushed on. The other departures all make sense - minor tinkering was never going to be enough.
Am surprised about Barker, he looked a real prospect, and he's been a regular in an overperforming team...
Sorry about Morgan not because he delivered but because there is a player in there somewhere, but it's the right decision.
Sorry to see Nathan Harness go and Charlie Barker who made a good story when needed. I wonder if this means Woollacot has decided to stay and fight for his place.
Pleased for Roddy it seems his place was not purely down to nepotism as suggested by many earlier in the season.
Thanks to Innis and Clare. Innis may have been an error red card waiting to happen but he played with his heart on his sleeve for the club but you cannot miss the games he has through injury or suspension. Clare came to us because Karl kept on playing him in defence only for him to spend most of his time in defence.
For Morgan, Barker, Clare,Innis and Harness I hope they get clubs that helps develop them and rebuilds or builds their careers.
Could we have offered Henry a new contract on not particularly good terms so he either accepts low wages or he gets released and we ensure we get compensation from whoever picks him up. Didn't we do similar with Fosu a few years back?
Just sometimes you have to read posts earlier in the thread.
And without Inniss we’ll need another physical presence who’s dominant in the air, or else we may get bullied by long ball sides with a lump up front.
Otherwise reasonably happy, so long as our recruitment is good (which at the moment I don’t expect it to be). A player like Clare is useful on the bench, and it wouldn’t surprise me if we end up with worse.
Bold decision to let Morgan go, but I’ve never really seen him as promotion material.
Gilbeys anti Charlton rant was unforgivable but it would be unfair to forget that he was the most badly affected of our players during the Covid pandemic.
Gilbeys anti Charlton rant was unforgivable but it would be unfair to forget that he was the most badly affected of our players during the Covid pandemic.
General consensus - and my feelings too - seem to be pretty positive about the decisions made.
FWIW I feel Morgan has had enough chances, whereas I guess they feel Henry deserves a bit longer. Though Henry doesn't look the part (to me), there's some logic in not being too hasty to discard him, whereas Albie just hasn't pushed on. The other departures all make sense - minor tinkering was never going to be enough.
Am surprised about Barker, he looked a real prospect, and he's been a regular in an overperforming team...
Have to admit Barker's departure was a bit of a shock to me. I've only heard good things about him.
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This could be a massive positive or a massive negative depending on the level of signings we bring in to replace them
But I view this released/retained list as hugely positive for the direction of the team.
My feelings on Gilbey, Clare, Inniss and Morgan speak for themselves, added to the fact that we’re offering a contract to the best of the out of contract lot and that leaves me feeling positive about what’s to come. I do tend to believe that Dean has control over who gets an offer and who doesn’t, and that this isn’t just cost cutting.
We could realistically end up with less squad depth and get worse without these players. However, if we keep too many of them we’ll continue to tread water in mid table of this league.
You have to take the chance and move on elements of the squad. That allows you to look to bring in better and move up the table next year. Every club has to do it every summer to improve. If you stand still, you’re going backwards.
I think Clare and Morgan wouldn’t have been the worst keeps at all, but I take it as a positive that we’ve moved them on. I think McGrandles is a better option than Morgan, so at the worst we already potentially have back up for that ‘box to box’ position - and I really liked Clare as a human being, but he was just not the required standard.
Bit miffed around Thomas. Again he’s not been terrible, has shown some versatility, and maybe Holden is looking to play a 3-5-2 and wants him on/to cover the left hand side of that. However just can’t help but feel we could roll the dice with a potential better replacement.
Henry I’m a bit meh on as well. I’d rather play Mitchell in that position than him.
Undoubtedly an excellent prospect, but still young and inexperienced in men's football.
Maybe he will start next season and simply be as good as Joe Gomez for 46 games I would be delighted but I would be surprised.
He still needs to develop and get the right kind of experience, even Lucas Ness has a bit of a way to go. Elewere might be a pick ahead of Mitchell in the near future.
We need a first pick main man type of bloke at the centre of defence, and as I type this I am not sure who that might be.
FWIW I feel Morgan has had enough chances, whereas I guess they feel Henry deserves a bit longer. Though Henry doesn't look the part (to me), there's some logic in not being too hasty to discard him, whereas Albie just hasn't pushed on. The other departures all make sense - minor tinkering was never going to be enough.
Am surprised about Barker, he looked a real prospect, and he's been a regular in an overperforming team...
Sorry to see Nathan Harness go and Charlie Barker who made a good story when needed. I wonder if this means Woollacot has decided to stay and fight for his place.
Pleased for Roddy it seems his place was not purely down to nepotism as suggested by many earlier in the season.
Thanks to Innis and Clare. Innis may have been an error red card waiting to happen but he played with his heart on his sleeve for the club but you cannot miss the games he has through injury or suspension. Clare came to us because Karl kept on playing him in defence only for him to spend most of his time in defence.
For Morgan, Barker, Clare,Innis and Harness I hope they get clubs that helps develop them and rebuilds or builds their careers.
Bonne and Gilbey don't care?