I am not a scientific expert, but my understanding of the renewed interest in the Moon is to see if there is ice there. Presumably the 'south pole' of the Moon is the bit furthest away from the Sun, and the idea is to see if the ice (presumably a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen) could become a conduit to sustain some kind of human existence there. At least I think that's supposed to be the purpose of all this.
If as expected there’s ice then the constituent parts of water - Hydrogen and oxygen can be split and there’s a ready made supply of fuel to enable the moon to act as a launch pad for further exploration.
About as likely as Elon Musk's people on Mars pipe dream. It would require factories to be set up away from our earth with factories to support factories. In theory, if there is enough will, money and time, it may be possible but I see this whole moon landing thing as at best scientific research and at the other end a bit of flag waving. We are years away from moon bases if at all. We have an abundance of water on our planet but struggle to make water usable and to pipe it where its needed and thats not just a cost issue. As for hydrogen manufacture for fuel, thats a stage up from mining ice on another world, to water production and obviously you would need fuel to do the former to get the latter. I watched the landing yesterday and appreciated a fantastic achievement by India who have now joined a very elite club one that Russia failed in despite their resources.
Stop thinking short termism. Nobody is suggesting it’s an overnight project but I’ve no doubt in 100 years we’ll have bases on the moon and probably mars. Where were we 100 years technologically ? Imagine what might be the advances 100 , 200 , 300 years from now. It will definitely happen.
If it happens you can be an "I told you so" I like the idea of mankind reaching out beyond our planet but I cant get my head around the logistics alone and certainly not future tech needed that we haven't even thought we need yet.
No. Can you imagine an Indian cricket forum breating the English for spending money subsidising theatres when there are people going to food banks? It's ridiculous.
No. Can you imagine an Indian cricket forum breating the English for spending money subsidising theatres when there are people going to food banks? It's ridiculous.
Someone put the thread up & we have put our views it's how these things work & you must have thought it was OK to discuss this matter going by the amount of post you have posted
Sure. I'm just disagreeing with some of those views and expressing surprise at how judgemental people seem to be about how another country spends a tiny percentage of its funds.
Sure. I'm just disagreeing with some of those views and expressing surprise at how judgemental people seem to be about how another country spends a tiny percentage of its funds.
I think we are judgemental because we see it as wrong to spend money on a rocket rather then allowing people to die It might as you say a tiny amount but it wouldn't have been cheap I just think it could have been better spent
Sure. I'm just disagreeing with some of those views and expressing surprise at how judgemental people seem to be about how another country spends a tiny percentage of its funds.
I think we are judgemental because we see it as wrong to spend money on a rocket rather then allowing people to die It might as you say a tiny amount but it wouldn't have been cheap I just think it could have been better spent
Not sure it's a binary choice between 'rocket on the moon' and 'poverty being eradicated'.
But I guess this thread is just a way for people to tell India to get back into their place I assume.
Not allowed expenditure on Space Exploration because that's a big boy thing for developed countries?
Sure. I'm just disagreeing with some of those views and expressing surprise at how judgemental people seem to be about how another country spends a tiny percentage of its funds.
I think we are judgemental because we see it as wrong to spend money on a rocket rather then allowing people to die It might as you say a tiny amount but it wouldn't have been cheap I just think it could have been better spent
Not sure it's a binary choice between 'rocket on the moon' and 'poverty being eradicated'.
But I guess this thread is just a way for people to tell India to get back into their place I assume.
Not allowed expenditure on Space Exploration because that's a big boy thing for developed countries?
UK has a space program. UK has poverty. India has a space program. India has poverty.
I assume those knocking the latter are also uncomfortable with the former? Not just Johnny foreigner bashing, right?
Personally, I'm not sure what I think. When it comes to potentially extending the existence of our species the cost/benefit calculator is complicated.
Poverty in India is very different to poverty in the UK. Actual poverty if very different to relative poverty. Not sure the percentage of people in India who don't have a home or if they have one that doesn't have electricity, plumbing and running water let alone hot and cold running water
It does seem odd that we send India £30 million+ in aid cash, rising to £60 million in a couple of years.
Worldwide aid to India is over $2.5 billion a year.
why is it odd? There's hundreds of millions in poverty in india.
You don't think it's odd that India would have spent many millions on this stunt, when they could have been dealing with their own poverty issue?
the two aren't mutually exclusive from one another.I'd actually arguethat the pursuit of technological advancement is in itself a form of improving the lives of their citizens.
No. Can you imagine an Indian cricket forum breating the English for spending money subsidising theatres when there are people going to food banks? It's ridiculous.
Do India send us aid, either to our gov, or privately? If so, I am sure they would have similar debates on India Life. if not, it’s not a fair comparison.
As above, I think people are only forming an opinion on how India spend their money, because it has historically included our donations. If it had not, I suspect most people would not give a flying…
In other words, it’s more a grumble about our historical and current aid policy.
As above, I think people are only forming an opinion on how India spend their money, because it has historically included our donations. If it had not, I suspect most people would not give a flying…
In other words, it’s more a grumble about our historical and current aid policy.
I would hazard a guess that £0 of our money goes to the India Space Project. Hope that helps.
As above, I think people are only forming an opinion on how India spend their money, because it has historically included our donations. If it had not, I suspect most people would not give a flying…
In other words, it’s more a grumble about our historical and current aid policy.
I would hazard a guess that £0 of our money goes to the India Space Project. Hope that helps.
Right, but I think the point people are trying to make is that perhaps India would require less aid if they focused more on eradicating poverty, rather than sending people to the moon. But I think you already knew that.
As above, I think people are only forming an opinion on how India spend their money, because it has historically included our donations. If it had not, I suspect most people would not give a flying…
In other words, it’s more a grumble about our historical and current aid policy.
I would hazard a guess that £0 of our money goes to the India Space Project. Hope that helps.
Right, but I think the point people are trying to make is that perhaps India would require less aid if they focused more on eradicating poverty, rather than sending people to the moon. But I think you already knew that.
Except that they didn't send any people to the moon, the project cost $75m and will genrate 100s of times that in inward investment, income from space alunches and good PR which will help eradicate poverty much quicker and to a much greater extent than spending $75m directly on it.
And as pointed out numerous times (not that facts seem to matter), the Indian Government has refused all British aid since 2015.
"A Foreign Office spokesperson said: “Since 2015 the UK has given no financial aid to the government of India. Most of our funding now is focused on business investments which help create new markets and jobs for the UK, as well as India. UK investments are also helping tackle shared challenges such as climate change.”"
If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her.
Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
Instead of questioning how a sovereign state spends their money, maybe we should be asking how they achieved this for $75m when we spent £1.6bn on a dirty old barge! Maybe they can include some productivity lessons in the new trade deal.
If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her.
Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
You might be surprised how much aid China receives as a developing nation too
Even if the aid stopped in 2015, some people would still find something to get annoyed about this rather than see it as the very impressive achievement it is.
If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her.
Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
If you had a friend who was in desperate need of money and, from time to find, you gave him a small gift to help alleviate his short-term problems, and then found out his estranged father bought himself a new car, would you refuse to help him further?
If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her.
Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
You might be surprised how much aid China receives as a developing nation too
This is unfortunately not a member's only area so I have to be careful what I post here. (Am I the only one that misses the old HoC section?😅) I don't think some of the decisions "certain people" make are correct or decent. Just think who decide how and where the money is spent. That's the saddest part of the issue.
Hope you know what I mean. And I'll have to delete this post tomorrow.
If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her.
Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
If you had a friend who was in desperate need of money and, from time to find, you gave him a small gift to help alleviate his short-term problems, and then found out his estranged father bought himself a new car, would you refuse to help him further?
If you give money to help a friend who claims to have some financial difficulties in life and later you find out this friend spends money on luxury products rather than basic daily expenses, what would you do? I would definitely stop giving any more money to him/her.
Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
But the aid for the UK doesn't go to the India Government.
If you had a friend who was spending money on cigarettes, but wasn't feeding their children sufficiently, you might buy the children food
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I like the idea of mankind reaching out beyond our planet but I cant get my head around the logistics alone and certainly not future tech needed that we haven't even thought we need yet.
& you must have thought it was OK to discuss this matter going by the amount of post you have posted
Why don't they cancel their bid and sort out their priorities?
*puts pint down* (likely to be Stella or Cider )
But I guess this thread is just a way for people to tell India to get back into their place I assume.
Not allowed expenditure on Space Exploration because that's a big boy thing for developed countries?
I bet they wished they hadn't bothered now! It's caused absolute bollox on CL...
In other words, it’s more a grumble about our historical and current aid policy.
Oh noooooooah!
And as pointed out numerous times (not that facts seem to matter), the Indian Government has refused all British aid since 2015.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/mar/14/uk-aid-india-human-rights-democracy-watchdog
"A Foreign Office spokesperson said: “Since 2015 the UK has given no financial aid to the government of India. Most of our funding now is focused on business investments which help create new markets and jobs for the UK, as well as India. UK investments are also helping tackle shared challenges such as climate change.”"
Some of you may argue that a nation is not a person and the relationship between countries is more complicated than that between people but this is how I see the issue and why some of you feel the need to stop the financial aid to India, which I think is a very natural reaction.
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Hope you know what I mean. And I'll have to delete this post tomorrow.
If you had a friend who was spending money on cigarettes, but wasn't feeding their children sufficiently, you might buy the children food