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India on The Moon

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  • seth plum said:
    I sort of thought aid to India was some kind of compensation for squeezing the juice out of the place during colonial times.
    Have you read a Passage to India? It looks at the country from all sides, including criticism of the Empire but also the advantages it brought
    A passage to India is a source of information I suppose, but maybe there are other perspectives.
    My assumption is that ‘advantages’ were all for the colonialists,
    Maybe the people there were not entirely persuaded that the British were beneficial.
    Does ‘A Passage to India’ cover the so called ‘Indian Mutiny’?
    Mutiny no less, how very dare they.
  • edited August 2023
    seth plum said:
    I sort of thought aid to India was some kind of compensation for squeezing the juice out of the place during colonial times.
    Have you read a Passage to India? It looks at the country from all sides, including criticism of the Empire but also the advantages it brought
     :D 
    It did bring advantages. The railways, cars, buildngs etc etc , and in my experience out there the average person loves us. To be honest bit too much as i found it embarrassing women getting up for me to offer me their seat in 2nd class on a train.

    But i must admit even though its wrong it did make me laugh when i asked the guide what all the holes were inside the Taj Mahal and he said "that's where all the rubys and emeralds were before your soldiers stole them". 

    If you want to see some real live Empire visit Kodi Canal or Shimla or another hill station - theyre like Devon in India. Cottages Gymkhana and cream teas to this day.
    2 Points: 

    1. The advantages that it may have provided (I didn't claim there weren't) were heavily outweighed by the negatives of British rule. 

    2. Other countries have been able to build railways, cars and other buildings without needing to be ruled by a western nation.
    It isn't the case that India couldn't have done it without our help. In actual fact India was a lot richer and had a higher GDP before British rule, than afterwards. 

    But it's off topic so I'm just responding to your post. 


    Having looked into it a little (I am not an expert in Indian history, notably the period of and the impact of the BE but I have read and studied A Passage to India which is a very interesting read), there are many debates (by expert historians) about the balance between the advantages and the disadvantages. And unsurprisingly, they are not in agreement and certainly many not saying one 'heavily outweighed the other. But I haven't see any of them misrepresent what another has said or concluded by merely pointed out there were 2 sides to the argument!
    So you've read one book and decided there's a balance of advantages and disadvantages. I'd suggest you read a bit more and, in particular, look at some Indian viewpoints of the Empire.

    I've already linked a book above that could help. 

    The historical viewpoint tends to be the British Empire weren't the worst Empire in the context of the World at the time (see France, the Dutch or other Nations for that), but you would struggle to find a single credible historian arguing that the British Empire was a good thing for India on the whole. 
  • So back to the moon....  I understand the lander has a built in seisometer, to investigate and monitor potential moonquakes?

    (This post was carefully vetted, so as to ensure it cannot be hijacked by resident CL blow hards)
    That's very discriminatory - surely it should be orbitalplanetarysatellitequakes.

  • edited August 2023
    seth plum said:
    I sort of thought aid to India was some kind of compensation for squeezing the juice out of the place during colonial times.
    That just about sums up your thought process for most things...
    Rude. Letting yourself down. 

    Dispute his points, sure. Ad hominem attack = weak and not exactly an example of sophisticated thought processes. 

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    On topic - what can we gain by ascertaining the existence or otherwise of earthquakes on the moon?
  • I understand Japan has a mission to the Moon expected to ‘resolve’ very soon. I think the main purpose for the Japanese expedition is to explore landing techniques and issues.
    The Indian effort will concentrate on gaining chemical and mineral knowledge.
    The game changer would be if there was evidence of methane, as that would suggest organic material, possibly some kind of life.
  • seth plum said:
    I sort of thought aid to India was some kind of compensation for squeezing the juice out of the place during colonial times.
    Have you read a Passage to India? It looks at the country from all sides, including criticism of the Empire but also the advantages it brought
     :D 
    It did bring advantages. The railways, cars, buildngs etc etc , and in my experience out there the average person loves us. To be honest bit too much as i found it embarrassing women getting up for me to offer me their seat in 2nd class on a train.

    But i must admit even though its wrong it did make me laugh when i asked the guide what all the holes were inside the Taj Mahal and he said "that's where all the rubys and emeralds were before your soldiers stole them". 

    If you want to see some real live Empire visit Kodi Canal or Shimla or another hill station - theyre like Devon in India. Cottages Gymkhana and cream teas to this day.
    2 Points: 

    1. The advantages that it may have provided (I didn't claim there weren't) were heavily outweighed by the negatives of British rule. 

    2. Other countries have been able to build railways, cars and other buildings without needing to be ruled by a western nation.
    It isn't the case that India couldn't have done it without our help. In actual fact India was a lot richer and had a higher GDP before British rule, than afterwards. 

    But it's off topic so I'm just responding to your post. 


    Having looked into it a little (I am not an expert in Indian history, notably the period of and the impact of the BE but I have read and studied A Passage to India which is a very interesting read), there are many debates (by expert historians) about the balance between the advantages and the disadvantages. And unsurprisingly, they are not in agreement and certainly many not saying one 'heavily outweighed the other. But I haven't see any of them misrepresent what another has said or concluded by merely pointed out there were 2 sides to the argument!
    So you've read one book and decided there's a balance of advantages and disadvantages. I'd suggest you read a bit more and, in particular, look at some Indian viewpoints of the Empire.

    I've already linked a book above that could help. 

    The historical viewpoint tends to be the British Empire weren't the worst Empire in the context of the World at the time (see France, the Dutch or other Nations for that), but you would struggle to find a single credible historian arguing that the British Empire was a good thing for India on the whole. 
    There you go again, you just can't help yourself, can you? Yes, I have mentioned a book, which is only a novel. But where did I say I had just read one book and decided anything?  

    Thanks for your suggestion about 'reading a bit more' and 'look at some Indian viewpoints' - because I hadn't thought of those!! 
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