People trying to find the perfect manager .. never going to happen .. all managers have a good spell and poor spell .. Nathen Jones excellent at Luton but very poor at Stoke and Southampton but he will wanted by the fans .Ainsworth everybody would have taken him from Wycombe but now don’t go there because of a few months at QPR … Appleton was the same good and bad and so will the next manager … you just hope he clicks with us and it’s a good spell ?
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
You missed premier League Leicester 100% 🤣
Lost what was it, 6 games at Blackburn, 2 in one of those Blackpool spells! Portsmouth were in Admin. Also worked under Venkys and Oyston I think ( not sure tbh)
You missed Oxford and Lincoln that amounted to far more games than for those other clubs where he wasn't good, a many of which were at L1 level.
Most definitely is not a serial loser statistically, but you believe what you want to believe. Personally I'm just glad he's gone, but he never was first choice anyway.
I would be surprised if he got another chance in League 1 at least as a No1. Feels like he could probably end up as a first team coach at a championship club possibly.
Everything that happened at Blackpool with him sounds very very similar to how it went wrong for him here.
Salford would probably be the next sort of place you'd expect to see him rock up, but thats solely based on his Manchester links
I know a coach/ manager has influence. But with the money they are paid, I would hope that the ones pulling on the shirt know a few basics In goal- I have to stop the ball going in the net. I give the defence confidence by dominating the penalty area. Defenders - little tip those players in the different colour shirts have a job of putting the ball in that net behind you. Stop them doing it. midfielders- now this is a bit trickier for you. First job do a bit of defenders job, but sorry a bit more. You need to get the ball to the blokes up front for them to put the ball in the net( other end to your goalkeeper) a little bonus, but do not worry to much, you can also put the ball in the net. Now forwards , thanks Alfie you doing ok. I know it’s hard but you have to put the ball in the net more times than the other team. With that lot behind you it is at present an impossible task.
anyway, no need for a manager, I have told them what to do. Or I suspect as much as others have said.
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
He is the definition of someone, who uses his mates in the media, and his connection to United to sell a myth that he's a good manager
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
I don't think they did, they just hoped.
No one half decent would (or will) touch us with our farcical set-up.
Maybe part of the selection process involves choosing a yes man manager that does what Scott says. Hence we seem to be recruiting soy boys mainly. I can't imagine these passive aggressive types actually inviting a John Terry no nonsense hard b****cks into the building. Adkins, Garner, Alperton ~ they're all "nice". We've tried every form of "nice" and it doesn't work. It certainly doesn't work in the real world so why should it in fantasy soccer world?
Yo dumb dumb, Powell was nice. That worked well enough. Curbs was comparatively nice. Was Garner nice? I maintain Adkins was sacked too early.
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
I know a coach/ manager has influence. But with the money they are paid, I would hope that the ones pulling on the shirt know a few basics In goal- I have to stop the ball going in the net. I give the defence confidence by dominating the penalty area. Defenders - little tip those players in the different colour shirts have a job of putting the ball in that net behind you. Stop them doing it. midfielders- now this is a bit trickier for you. First job do a bit of defenders job, but sorry a bit more. You need to get the ball to the blokes up front for them to put the ball in the net( other end to your goalkeeper) a little bonus, but do not worry to much, you can also put the ball in the net. Now forwards , thanks Alfie you doing ok. I know it’s hard but you have to put the ball in the net more times than the other team. With that lot behind you it is at present an impossible task.
anyway, no need for a manager, I have told them what to do. Or I suspect as much as others have said.
I think you make a good point. It is the way to be successful. In itself it is obvious but getting the right mix of players to do that is less easy. What doesn't help is stupid people trying to be clever. That is a bit unfair, I mean people stupid about football. People who think they know something nobody else does. Sandgaard was a case in point. I remember that Sheffield Wednesday home game with him strutting his guitar and feeling despair because I could see the obvious, that there were not enough goals in the team! I didn't need a super computer to tell me that. You could work it out using Wiki and the back of a fag packet.
I think of managers like Warnock and indeed Evans now at Stevenage. Not well liked, possibly a bit eccentric and indeed not the cup of tea of all players. But given the challenge they look at what they have and how they can get a team that does those simple things you have identified. They don't do it once, they do it multiple times. Once you can be lucky and inherit the players. That may mean you don't play pretty football or are a bit dirty if you can't get the players who have those qualities, they tend to cost more, but you have a plan and work to it. Their way isn't the only way but the manager, however they want to play, has to know how to get to that point. It is a big reason why I think the formula at our level is find a manager who knows how to do that and back him. Not a head coach, but a manager.
It is also why I am generally for promoting from within. Give them a chance as we did Curbs and they sink or swim but it is easy to move on to the next one if they sink and you are likely to find a good one sooner or later. The pond we fish in for experienced managers is full of failed ones. If I was looking in that pond, I would be looking for reasons they have failed that might not be their fault and indeed at their successes. Did they turn crap into gold like Powell did for example. It is all there if you look hard enough. Why did Duff fail at Swansea, Why has Jones failed in recent jobs? I would want to understand that before I appoint them. I certainly wouldn't be looking to interview them, all the information I need would already be out there. I can imagine Rodwell interviewing Appleton and you basically have one bullshitter, bullshitting another.
Corey's agent elaborating on what he said the other day, proves he's not got a clue really...
As one of the replies said it came across like he had insider info, but from reading that tweet all he’s seen is a club constantly sack managers and continuing to fail. It’s right that we can’t keep changing manager but as an agent posting vague tweet it doesn’t come across like that.
We need to give a manager time, but we need to see progress along the way, learning from mistakes, improving individuals etc. After decent form initially we got worse under MA so he had to go.
Ghana has sacked Chris Hughton after an early exit from the Africa Cup of Nations.
No thanks, he's terrible too
Yeah not for me. By all accounts a great guy from speaking to Brighton fans but managerially his time has gone.
Yeah seems a lovely bloke
We don't need a lovely bloke. We need a hard-nosed bastard that can keep us in League One and then build a side for a possible promotion push next year
I'll go for that. I think some fans want it both ways. They want a cultural Marxist woke FC where we are the most right on as you can possibly get bending to every last virtue signalling cack in the cosmos. And then we also want a no nonsense hard nosed Neil Warnock (def not woke!) to blast us back into the championshiposphere. Can't have both. I'll take the latter!
Corey's agent elaborating on what he said the other day, proves he's not got a clue really...
What I've taken from that is Corey needs a better agent because that was a tough read. How on earth does that guy negotiate contracts?!
I can't see much wrong in what he has said. Maybe he could have said it better and he didn't have any answers but it doesn't suggest he isn't a good agent. That would be a matter for his clients surely. He made a throw away comment which sounded like he knew something, which he didn't, and he corrected it.
Appleton is a fantastic manager, just needs to work on his communication, acting, tactical awareness, man management , media management, touch line presence , substitutions, formations, player instructions, fan relations, tattoos , clapping, set piece drills, defensive instructions , game management and transfers.
That’s harsh, I need to defend him here as he did show some promise - his tattoos are at least mid table League 1 standard.
Ooo I dunno, I like tattoos and I'd have his down as national league standard at best.
It's always beyond me when people who are bankrolled have shoddy tats, why go cheap on something there for life
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
Because statistically he's won more games than he's lost in his managerial career, even after managing us. At least that's my simple answer. It is the truth.
What's crazy is having watched back my old video to compare now to then, I literally photoshopped a thumbnail with a 'to do list' with his only job being to finish mid-table, and he wouldn't have even been able to manage that. Some bloke.
MuttleyCAFC - you are on my wave length. As I said in an earlier post, why did they sack Appleton? ( I am not disagreeing with the decision) but in order to move on and hopefully get it right you need to know what went wrong and why. To say we lost too many games is to simple, it’s again why and what was Appleton not doing right. i am still not over the Directors podcast where Elliott spouted rubbish and Rodwell gave textbook answers.
We need to be realistic, not all clubs are in the Premier League, not all clubs are top of the table. But with the resources we have, ground, fan base, hinterland of local talent we should be better than we are.
I have to admit I do not have the money to buy the club and solve problems. As we know Sandagard has £100M and that is not enough! Our Belgium friend is one of the problems. He had mad ideas -remember Thurman in goal and Laporte standing on the pitch, but him owning all the meaningful assets is a huge problem. i think we have to have an anticipation of being a top League one team with a aspiration of the Championship. That is why your suggestion of internal promotions and go from there.
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
Because statistically he's won more games than he's lost in his managerial career, even after managing us. At least that's my simple answer. It is the truth.
Technically yes, although only by 8 (169 wins to 161 losses) and its not hard to imagine he was on course to change that if he hadn't been sacked here.
If he's not a "loser" statistically you can't honestly say he's much of a winner either by the same metric.
For me the numbers are irrelevant anyway. The fans had absolutely no faith in him and I'm far from convinced the players did either. The evidence suggests that he just wasn't doing very well at his job of training players and planning tactics to win games of football, simple as that.
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
It's even harder to understand why Blackpool employed him twice ???
Ghana has sacked Chris Hughton after an early exit from the Africa Cup of Nations.
No thanks, he's terrible too
Yeah not for me. By all accounts a great guy from speaking to Brighton fans but managerially his time has gone.
Yeah seems a lovely bloke
We don't need a lovely bloke. We need a hard-nosed bastard that can keep us in League One and then build a side for a possible promotion push next year
I'll go for that. I think some fans want it both ways. They want a cultural Marxist woke FC where we are the most right on as you can possibly get bending to every last virtue signalling cack in the cosmos. And then we also want a no nonsense hard nosed Neil Warnock (def not woke!) to blast us back into the championshiposphere. Can't have both. I'll take the latter!
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
Because statistically he's won more games than he's lost in his managerial career, even after managing us. At least that's my simple answer. It is the truth.
Technically yes, although only by 8 (169 wins to 161 losses) and its not hard to imagine he was on course to change that if he hadn't been sacked here.
If he's not a "loser" statistically you can't honestly say he's much of a winner either by the same metric.
For me the numbers are irrelevant anyway. The fans had absolutely no faith in him and I'm far from convinced the players did either. The evidence suggests that he just wasn't doing very well at his job of training players and planning tactics to win games of football, simple as that.
Overall he looks like more of a winner than loser on that metric doesn't he? but I agree not on others. I'm not trying to defend his appointment, but if people are claiming his track record, which isn't bad in L1, should have ruled him out of contention for the job, I disagree.
In any case, for all I know, he was the only one interviewed prepared to take the job, but no more from me on this. Enough already. He's gone and best forgotten.
Andy Scott.....Technical Director...says it all really.
Why ? Why does there have to be someone to blame if MA .. was the best available then so be it …. Richard Murray made a number of poor calls ..
Scott said Appleton was the stand out candidate. If you look at Appleton's record as a manager it's largely very very poor. Do you believe Scott will get it right this time.?
Sorry, but I disagree. Over many more games his win ratio is equal to Powell's. Is his record considered largely poor? No, because with us it was more than 50%.
Appleton's is much worse with us, very poor, and he's paid the price. But it's a myth to say he is/was a serial loser. I'm far more concerned about about Scott's track record in doing what he does?
Appleton's win %
at Charlton 28.6% at Portsmouth 25.5% at Blackburn 26.7% at Blackpool 16.7% at Blackpool again 24.1%
He most definitely is a serial loser. Why the board ever thought he would be a successful appointment is beyond me.
Looking at this it's hard to understand how anyone can say he's not a loser.
It's even harder to understand why Blackpool employed him twice ???
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Lost what was it, 6 games at Blackburn, 2 in one of those Blackpool spells! Portsmouth were in Admin. Also worked under Venkys and Oyston I think ( not sure tbh)
You missed Oxford and Lincoln that amounted to far more games than for those other clubs where he wasn't good, a many of which were at L1 level.
Most definitely is not a serial loser statistically, but you believe what you want to believe. Personally I'm just glad he's gone, but he never was first choice anyway.
In goal- I have to stop the ball going in the net. I give the defence confidence by dominating the penalty area.
Defenders - little tip those players in the different colour shirts have a job of putting the ball in that net behind you. Stop them doing it.
midfielders- now this is a bit trickier for you. First job do a bit of defenders job, but sorry a bit more. You need to get the ball to the blokes up front for them to put the ball in the net( other end to your goalkeeper) a little bonus, but do not worry to much, you can also put the ball in the net.
Now forwards , thanks Alfie you doing ok. I know it’s hard but you have to put the ball in the net more times than the other team. With that lot behind you it is at present an impossible task.
anyway, no need for a manager, I have told them what to do. Or I suspect as much as others have said.
No one half decent would (or will) touch us with our farcical set-up.
Corey's agent elaborating on what he said the other day, proves he's not got a clue really...
I think of managers like Warnock and indeed Evans now at Stevenage. Not well liked, possibly a bit eccentric and indeed not the cup of tea of all players. But given the challenge they look at what they have and how they can get a team that does those simple things you have identified. They don't do it once, they do it multiple times. Once you can be lucky and inherit the players. That may mean you don't play pretty football or are a bit dirty if you can't get the players who have those qualities, they tend to cost more, but you have a plan and work to it. Their way isn't the only way but the manager, however they want to play, has to know how to get to that point. It is a big reason why I think the formula at our level is find a manager who knows how to do that and back him. Not a head coach, but a manager.
It is also why I am generally for promoting from within. Give them a chance as we did Curbs and they sink or swim but it is easy to move on to the next one if they sink and you are likely to find a good one sooner or later. The pond we fish in for experienced managers is full of failed ones. If I was looking in that pond, I would be looking for reasons they have failed that might not be their fault and indeed at their successes. Did they turn crap into gold like Powell did for example. It is all there if you look hard enough. Why did Duff fail at Swansea, Why has Jones failed in recent jobs? I would want to understand that before I appoint them. I certainly wouldn't be looking to interview them, all the information I need would already be out there. I can imagine Rodwell interviewing Appleton and you basically have one bullshitter, bullshitting another.
We need to give a manager time, but we need to see progress along the way, learning from mistakes, improving individuals etc. After decent form initially we got worse under MA so he had to go.
It's always beyond me when people who are bankrolled have shoddy tats, why go cheap on something there for life
He was simply not good enough. That's it.
What's crazy is having watched back my old video to compare now to then, I literally photoshopped a thumbnail with a 'to do list' with his only job being to finish mid-table, and he wouldn't have even been able to manage that. Some bloke.
i am still not over the Directors podcast where Elliott spouted rubbish and Rodwell gave textbook answers.
i think we have to have an anticipation of being a top League one team with a aspiration of the Championship. That is why your suggestion of internal promotions and go from there.
If he's not a "loser" statistically you can't honestly say he's much of a winner either by the same metric.
For me the numbers are irrelevant anyway. The fans had absolutely no faith in him and I'm far from convinced the players did either. The evidence suggests that he just wasn't doing very well at his job of training players and planning tactics to win games of football, simple as that.
In any case, for all I know, he was the only one interviewed prepared to take the job, but no more from me on this. Enough already. He's gone and best forgotten.