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Got it. So we learn after the event (October) how our budget/forecast compares to other teams.PragueAddick said:
Yes, the budget. Similar to whát nearly all businesses produce.valleynick66 said:
So you are saying it’s their forecast spend for the current season?Henry Irving said:
I think it's the budget for the current season that is shared in Octobervalleynick66 said:
Thank you.PragueAddick said:
I know something about this. I've mentioned this before so apologies to others who've read it before!valleynick66 said:
Still curious what the definition of ‘budget’ is in this context.PragueAddick said:Thanks for such a comprehensive write up @Henry Irving, very generous and collaborative spirit on display there 😉.
If you could pin things on here as you can on Twitter profiles, I'd suggest it should be this comment from CM:
"The EFL provide us with all the other teams budgets in October so we'll know for sure than but based on previous figures we're 4th in first team budget and 5th in wages."Their forecast for the coming season on some key metrics or actual /management accounts for last season or something else?
Also not sure why it’s shared or how it is used.Interesting regardless.
A few years back when I was on the Trust board I went to interview Erik Samuelson, the AFCW fan who was a finance bod and then CEO. He told me about it. The EFL clubs had agreed to share it, but only by division. He explained that it was very useful to set his own player wage budget. It helped them set a budget that would be 4th lowest in the division (then L1) and gave the manager a big incentive to finish 5th bottom. He turned his laptop screen towards me for a nano-second, just eneough for me to see it existed.
But that was I think 8 years ago, and I couldn't remember more details of how it was done, and now CM has filled in the gaps. It is basically the operating budget they submit, and it sounds like their cost-line descriptions are agreed for consistency. The clubs are anonymised but CEO's can guess. Especially this year for club no.1.
Now obviously clubs have to set their budgets for the coming season before this comes out so they use the previous season's data, making their own guesses about the changes based on who was promoted/relegated, and any other info such as new splashy ownership (or new distress, e.g.Reading).
I think it's an excellent idea myself.So to be clear each club shares its actual from last season on some pre defined categories / basis of calculation?And the reason CM says we are 4th (?) biggest spenders is because we assume this year will be similar to last year ?
But I guess at some point a team will spend more or less than previously.0 -
I'm running 3 days late so it's probably been mentioned a few times, Steve Davies is an Orient supporterfenaddick said:Let’s start the petition now, Steve Davis for Chairman!0 -
Joking mateGribbo said:
Why scared mate?blackpool72 said:
Gribb's scared of the mighty Elf.Gribbo said:
Lol, okayElfsborgAddick said:
Let's give it two years and continue this conversation.Gribbo said:
Yeah because it's a well known fact that clubs where Directors / Owners / Senior management have no connections to the playing staff whatsoever, are that much more successfulElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
I do take your point as an aside.
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Elfs is tiny.
Private joke between him and me.2 -
He said they are estimating 4th biggest now but will know for sure in October when they get the official figures from the EFL.valleynick66 said:
Got it. So we learn after the event (October) how our budget/forecast compares to other teams.PragueAddick said:
Yes, the budget. Similar to whát nearly all businesses produce.valleynick66 said:
So you are saying it’s their forecast spend for the current season?Henry Irving said:
I think it's the budget for the current season that is shared in Octobervalleynick66 said:
Thank you.PragueAddick said:
I know something about this. I've mentioned this before so apologies to others who've read it before!valleynick66 said:
Still curious what the definition of ‘budget’ is in this context.PragueAddick said:Thanks for such a comprehensive write up @Henry Irving, very generous and collaborative spirit on display there 😉.
If you could pin things on here as you can on Twitter profiles, I'd suggest it should be this comment from CM:
"The EFL provide us with all the other teams budgets in October so we'll know for sure than but based on previous figures we're 4th in first team budget and 5th in wages."Their forecast for the coming season on some key metrics or actual /management accounts for last season or something else?
Also not sure why it’s shared or how it is used.Interesting regardless.
A few years back when I was on the Trust board I went to interview Erik Samuelson, the AFCW fan who was a finance bod and then CEO. He told me about it. The EFL clubs had agreed to share it, but only by division. He explained that it was very useful to set his own player wage budget. It helped them set a budget that would be 4th lowest in the division (then L1) and gave the manager a big incentive to finish 5th bottom. He turned his laptop screen towards me for a nano-second, just eneough for me to see it existed.
But that was I think 8 years ago, and I couldn't remember more details of how it was done, and now CM has filled in the gaps. It is basically the operating budget they submit, and it sounds like their cost-line descriptions are agreed for consistency. The clubs are anonymised but CEO's can guess. Especially this year for club no.1.
Now obviously clubs have to set their budgets for the coming season before this comes out so they use the previous season's data, making their own guesses about the changes based on who was promoted/relegated, and any other info such as new splashy ownership (or new distress, e.g.Reading).
I think it's an excellent idea myself.So to be clear each club shares its actual from last season on some pre defined categories / basis of calculation?And the reason CM says we are 4th (?) biggest spenders is because we assume this year will be similar to last year ?
But I guess at some point a team will spend more or less than previously.
Of course, if Liverpool sell Gomez our numbers might change and so might the budget at other clubs but for now it's an indication of where we are compared to other lge 1 clubs.1 -
I *think* that's him running down the stairs at the full time whistle. I'd rather see him passionate like that than not giving a toss like RD did.
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Tell that to the Wrexham lot...ElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
***Edit, wtf is he on the pitch? Good grief.1 -
Poor old @Gribboblackpool72 said:
Joking mateGribbo said:
Why scared mate?blackpool72 said:
Gribb's scared of the mighty Elf.Gribbo said:
Lol, okayElfsborgAddick said:
Let's give it two years and continue this conversation.Gribbo said:
Yeah because it's a well known fact that clubs where Directors / Owners / Senior management have no connections to the playing staff whatsoever, are that much more successfulElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
I do take your point as an aside.
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Elfs is tiny.
Private joke between him and me.0 -
Yeah, silly old meElfsborgAddick said:
Poor old Gribboblackpool72 said:
Joking mateGribbo said:
Why scared mate?blackpool72 said:
Gribb's scared of the mighty Elf.Gribbo said:
Lol, okayElfsborgAddick said:
Let's give it two years and continue this conversation.Gribbo said:
Yeah because it's a well known fact that clubs where Directors / Owners / Senior management have no connections to the playing staff whatsoever, are that much more successfulElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
I do take your point as an aside.
🤣
Elfs is tiny.
Private joke between him and me.2 -
And Birmingham.995632 said:
Tell that to the Wrexham lot...ElfsborgAddick said:
Players do not need to know the directors imo, they are of no importance to a player.fenaddick said:Watch the video and he's just stood next to Tracey Leaburn clapping the players off until A Mitchell and Aneke come by and give him a hug, it's really not a big deal and I'd much rather our players know the higher ups than have no idea who they are.
***Edit, wtf is he on the pitch? Good grief.
And Brighton.
And just about any club that has any kind of success at Wembley (as we once did), when the owners etc. are all over the players as they got up to lift the cup (as our owners once did).
List goes on
Knocking Methven and the others for getting involved with the celebrating when we win is ludicrous imo27 -
Love that CM was on the pitch.7
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I have no doubt Charlie has a real connection with us. Why not. Did we think Richard Murray was faking his delight in that famous photo with Kins lifting the trophy ? Was Sir Chris disingenuous in his passion for us just because he’s a spurs fan to Murray’s Wolves. One thing we can say about Methven and that he’s a football man. I’m chuffed he’s passion for us is on display.12
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Let's not forget, not that long ago, certain Charlton supporters were criticising CM for being at Wembley, wearing an Oxford shirt, as they won promotion to the Championship...ShootersHillGuru said:I have no doubt Charlie has a real connection with us. Why not. Did we think Richard Murray was faking his delight in that famous photo with Kins lifting the trophy ? Was Sir Chris disingenuous in his passion for us just because he’s a spurs fan to Murray’s Wolves. One thing we can say about Methven and that he’s a football man. I’m chuffed he’s passion for us is on display.
Seems like he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't...10 -
Out of interest, why?J BLOCK said:Love that CM was on the pitch.He described himself two days earlier as not getting involved in any way on the football side, he was ‘just the budgets guy’5 -
By that didnt he mean with regards to the football side of the business? Surely he didn't mean he wouldn't, under any circumstance, wait in the wings and celebrate with the "football" players etc. as they leave the pitch.AFKABartram said:
Out of interest, why?J BLOCK said:Love that CM was on the pitch.He described himself two days earlier as not getting involved in any way on the football side, he was ‘just the budgets guy’10 -
AFKABartram said:
Out of interest, why?J BLOCK said:Love that CM was on the pitch.He described himself two days earlier as not getting involved in any way on the football side, he was ‘just the budgets guy’
None of us on here is involved in any way on the football side - just sayin'
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I think he meant on major football decisions. He's got 'skin in the game' apparently. We can forgive him for a little jubilation can't we?AFKABartram said:
Out of interest, why?J BLOCK said:Love that CM was on the pitch.He described himself two days earlier as not getting involved in any way on the football side, he was ‘just the budgets guy’
Or are we saying he should be confined to the office at all times?
When did we become so hard nosed? ;-)8 -
I didn’t offer an opinion, I just asked to understand why someone loved it that he run on the pitchcarly burn said:
I think he meant on major football decisions. He's got 'skin in the game' apparently. We can forgive him for a little jubilation can't we?AFKABartram said:
Out of interest, why?J BLOCK said:Love that CM was on the pitch.He described himself two days earlier as not getting involved in any way on the football side, he was ‘just the budgets guy’
Or are we saying he should be confined to the office at all times?
When did we become so hard nosed? ;-)0 -
Not answering for J Block, but the reason I liked it is because it obviously shows a bit of passion. Same as when tne US contingentwere over with their families the other week, jumping about and celebrating the goal. Each to their own, but I genuinely can't see what's not to like about it, and would personally be a lot more concerned if there was no involvement from the owners at all.AFKABartram said:
I didn’t offer an opinion, I just asked to understand why someone loved it that he run on the pitchcarly burn said:
I think he meant on major football decisions. He's got 'skin in the game' apparently. We can forgive him for a little jubilation can't we?AFKABartram said:
Out of interest, why?J BLOCK said:Love that CM was on the pitch.He described himself two days earlier as not getting involved in any way on the football side, he was ‘just the budgets guy’
Or are we saying he should be confined to the office at all times?
When did we become so hard nosed? ;-)14 -
Passion v Attention - to be discussed in the next xx pages of this thread.4
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Agree think Methven should stay off the pitch but I liked fenaddicks post because I hadn't seen the video. (Not that you have remarked on people liking his postRothko said:
huge load of so fucking whatfenaddick said:
It's at the end of this, about 2:17 https://x.com/CAFCofficial/status/1843587531280929066Rothko said:what video?
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I think that CM will definitely get excited and pleased when we win, he has shares in the club and if we are successful and get promoted, especially if by some miracle we get into the Premier League, his shares will be worth a lot more.
His heart may be with Oxford but his wallet is with us
Not that I blame him4 -
We're definitely a tough old crowd. Unless you're an ex player, returning to help take points off us, then you have to show them the utmost respect and possible even give them their own round of applause0
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No view, but if you didn’t run down the stairs at the final whistle you!d struggle get through the crowd coming up.0
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😂 the bloke just can’t win with our fans ! Shows a bit of passion and gets slated ! If he sat motionless seemingly not caring then he is obviously an Oxford mole 😂 😂 😂18
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Yes, but we need to remember it's only a few people that have said it.AndyG said:😂 the bloke just can’t win with our fans ! Shows a bit of passion and gets slated ! If he sat motionless seemingly not caring then he is obviously an Oxford mole 😂 😂 😂
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Shows passion, shows he cares, shows he has a relationship with the players. Refreshing to see at Charlton.AFKABartram said:
Out of interest, why?J BLOCK said:Love that CM was on the pitch.He described himself two days earlier as not getting involved in any way on the football side, he was ‘just the budgets guy’Slightly off topic, but I also absolutely loved the yanks celebrating when they were over. Having people involved who genuinely care about something we are all so passionate about, gives me a good feeling.12 -
Can someone please verify that Charley Methven was actually ‘on’ the pitch…..I thought he was on the pitch surround, next to the tunnel?charltonbob said:
Agree think Methven should stay off the pitch but I liked fenaddicks post because I hadn't seen the video. (Not that you have remarked on people liking his postRothko said:
huge load of so fucking whatfenaddick said:
It's at the end of this, about 2:17 https://x.com/CAFCofficial/status/1843587531280929066Rothko said:what video?)0 -
Definately on the pitch, see the video.SoundAsa£ said:
Can someone please verify that Charley Methven was actually ‘on’ the pitch…..I thought he was on the pitch surround, next to the tunnel?charltonbob said:
Agree think Methven should stay off the pitch but I liked fenaddicks post because I hadn't seen the video. (Not that you have remarked on people liking his postRothko said:
huge load of so fucking whatfenaddick said:
It's at the end of this, about 2:17 https://x.com/CAFCofficial/status/1843587531280929066Rothko said:what video?)1 -
I’d feel like I was cheating celebrating publicly any other clubs success , I want failure everywhere but Charlton
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Considering we’ve had appalling ownership over the years I think Charlie going on the pitch shouldn’t be a major issue lol8
