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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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You're right, we'd almost certainly know about it. The press would probably describe it as a fairytale.NabySarr said:
Actually pathetic that anyone wanted him sacked this season. What he’s achieved in 2 years is incredible, doubt there’s another team in the football league that has progressed that much in that timeScoham said:
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I know it can be a bit frustrating when Jones repeatedly tells us in interviews we have to remember where we've come from, but this is pretty amazing.Scoham said:
And for those of us that had been going most weeks that year, whilst the football we play now might not be to everyone's taste: it's a whole lot better than what was on offer during that period and the prior years, which was the dreaded combination of bad football and bad results, too.14 -
The thing is, it will always ultimately come down to how we play, blaming the result on other factors is only valid if we have played well/ok, otherwise we haven’t got a leg to stand on as we just played shit and done ourselves no favours.superclive98 said:
While the Millwall capitulation was unforgivable, I don't think the Pompey defeat was anywhere near as bad as nany are saying. We didn't play well but various factors conspired against us.soapboxsam said:The Red Robin said:A good battling point. Stoke and QPR home performances were also very good. Which makes Millwall away and Pompey at home even more baffling.
Both Millwall and Pompey played very well on the day and scored good goals as well as poor defensive play by Cafc which also saw mistakes from Kaminski.
Thomas is in credit over the season but dropped a clanger against Portsmouth.
The Millwall game saw everyone lose their battles and played poorly with only TC anywhere near the required standard.
Back in August On the NTT20 podcast with George Elek and Ali Maxwell both thought Charlton could stay up but wondered if the Charlton fans could accept losing around 19 games in their 1st season back in the Championship.
We have lost 13 so 19 will probably be about the number we will lose with 13 matches to go.
My prediction back in early August that Charlton would finish 17th and 10 points ahead of the 22nd position could still come to fruition but only if we have no repeat of the terrible performance against Millwall and the shocking 1st half against Pompey.
We could have gone one up in the first minute but unfortunately it was Harry Clarke that went through and not someone like Sonny Carey.
The referee then proceeded to penalise our players every time they got anywhere near the Pompey players, brandishing yellow cards as if they were going out of fashion.
The real turning point was the huge cock-up by Kaminski, which just compounded the situation. Our players looked shell-shocked after that and never really recovered.0 -
Those other factors affected how well/badly we played though. I cannot accept that anyone believes that the performance of the referee didn't change the outcome of the game.Sword65pf said:
The thing is, it will always ultimately come down to how we play, blaming the result on other factors is only valid if we have played well/ok, otherwise we haven’t got a leg to stand on as we just played shit and done ourselves no favours.superclive98 said:
While the Millwall capitulation was unforgivable, I don't think the Pompey defeat was anywhere near as bad as nany are saying. We didn't play well but various factors conspired against us.soapboxsam said:The Red Robin said:A good battling point. Stoke and QPR home performances were also very good. Which makes Millwall away and Pompey at home even more baffling.
Both Millwall and Pompey played very well on the day and scored good goals as well as poor defensive play by Cafc which also saw mistakes from Kaminski.
Thomas is in credit over the season but dropped a clanger against Portsmouth.
The Millwall game saw everyone lose their battles and played poorly with only TC anywhere near the required standard.
Back in August On the NTT20 podcast with George Elek and Ali Maxwell both thought Charlton could stay up but wondered if the Charlton fans could accept losing around 19 games in their 1st season back in the Championship.
We have lost 13 so 19 will probably be about the number we will lose with 13 matches to go.
My prediction back in early August that Charlton would finish 17th and 10 points ahead of the 22nd position could still come to fruition but only if we have no repeat of the terrible performance against Millwall and the shocking 1st half against Pompey.
We could have gone one up in the first minute but unfortunately it was Harry Clarke that went through and not someone like Sonny Carey.
The referee then proceeded to penalise our players every time they got anywhere near the Pompey players, brandishing yellow cards as if they were going out of fashion.
The real turning point was the huge cock-up by Kaminski, which just compounded the situation. Our players looked shell-shocked after that and never really recovered.
He penalised us every time we challenged for the ball and then after Kaminski's mistake for the first goal, he gave a ridiculous penalty against us.
We never recovered after that and it's no wonder our performance didn't improve. The players were probably worried about the cards turning from yellow to red.2 -
The 'saved us from League Two' is somewhat accurate, but it ignores the fact that any semi-competent manager would have not had us in that trouble in the first place with the squad we had. We had a generational collapse of morale under Appleton; it's maybe the only time I've genuinely felt a Charlton manager has 'lost the dressing room'. If Holden had been retained we'd have been nowhere near that position7
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It felt like we were cursed and would never get better. Every new manager, every new transfer window, and we would still be utterly crap. We had players who were not trying, three managers in a row talking about "professionalism and discipline problems" in the squad. It was miserable. NJ came in and has turned the whole club around. I don't understand anyone who has called for him to be sacked 2-3 times now. Why spin that managerial merry-go-round when this guy has proved he can deliver. League One mediocrity is a very short trip away.elbiglad said:
I know it can be a bit frustrating when Jones repeatedly tells us in interviews we have to remember where we've come from, but this is pretty amazing.Scoham said:
And for those of us that had been going most weeks that year, whilst the football we play now might not be to everyone's taste: it's a whole lot better than what was on offer during that period and the prior years, which was the dreaded combination of bad football and bad results, too.
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We wasn’t good enough, gave them a goal head start, pompey played way better, we got what we deserved.superclive98 said:
Those other factors affected how well/badly we played though. I cannot accept that anyone believes that the performance of the referee didn't change the outcome of the game.Sword65pf said:
The thing is, it will always ultimately come down to how we play, blaming the result on other factors is only valid if we have played well/ok, otherwise we haven’t got a leg to stand on as we just played shit and done ourselves no favours.superclive98 said:
While the Millwall capitulation was unforgivable, I don't think the Pompey defeat was anywhere near as bad as nany are saying. We didn't play well but various factors conspired against us.soapboxsam said:The Red Robin said:A good battling point. Stoke and QPR home performances were also very good. Which makes Millwall away and Pompey at home even more baffling.
Both Millwall and Pompey played very well on the day and scored good goals as well as poor defensive play by Cafc which also saw mistakes from Kaminski.
Thomas is in credit over the season but dropped a clanger against Portsmouth.
The Millwall game saw everyone lose their battles and played poorly with only TC anywhere near the required standard.
Back in August On the NTT20 podcast with George Elek and Ali Maxwell both thought Charlton could stay up but wondered if the Charlton fans could accept losing around 19 games in their 1st season back in the Championship.
We have lost 13 so 19 will probably be about the number we will lose with 13 matches to go.
My prediction back in early August that Charlton would finish 17th and 10 points ahead of the 22nd position could still come to fruition but only if we have no repeat of the terrible performance against Millwall and the shocking 1st half against Pompey.
We could have gone one up in the first minute but unfortunately it was Harry Clarke that went through and not someone like Sonny Carey.
The referee then proceeded to penalise our players every time they got anywhere near the Pompey players, brandishing yellow cards as if they were going out of fashion.
The real turning point was the huge cock-up by Kaminski, which just compounded the situation. Our players looked shell-shocked after that and never really recovered.
He penalised us every time we challenged for the ball and then after Kaminski's mistake for the first goal, he gave a ridiculous penalty against us.
We never recovered after that and it's no wonder our performance didn't improve. The players were probably worried about the cards turning from yellow to red.0 -
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Fair point. They were probably a better team than us at the time though, and I’m not sure it’s really the same spending £40m vs what we’ve doneCaptainRobbo said:1 -
No, but i doubt we would now be anywhere near our current position either. Somewhere in the L1 upper-mid table playoff contenders most likely.Leuth said:The 'saved us from League Two' is somewhat accurate, but it ignores the fact that any semi-competent manager would have not had us in that trouble in the first place with the squad we had. We had a generational collapse of morale under Appleton; it's maybe the only time I've genuinely felt a Charlton manager has 'lost the dressing room'. If Holden had been retained we'd have been nowhere near that position3 -
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CaptainRobbo said:
What happens when we draw?Gravesend_Addick said:This thread makes me chuckle.
The Jones in crowd are on here when we win.
The Jones out crowd are on here when we lose.
Football fans are a fickle bunch
Gets the benefit of the doubt until the next game.
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Jones first starting XILeuth said:The 'saved us from League Two' is somewhat accurate, but it ignores the fact that any semi-competent manager would have not had us in that trouble in the first place with the squad we had. We had a generational collapse of morale under Appleton; it's maybe the only time I've genuinely felt a Charlton manager has 'lost the dressing room'. If Holden had been retained we'd have been nowhere near that position
Isted - NL football
Jones- Was in dreadful form month before
Thomas- NL football
Macca- Dreadful when he joined
Tennai Watson- Average L1 side
Edun- Average L1 side
Louis Watson- L2 football
Bakinson- Orient side battling L1 relegation
Coventry- Good player
may- Good player
Ladapo- L2 football
Lloyd Jones got injured early on, so besides Dobson May Coventry and Small (only signed because of Jones) that squad definitely was capable of going down. The fact we only lost 2 in 14 with that squad is seriously impressive7 -
I think Holden is partially responsible. Wasn’t he overly concerned with being everyone’s mate and the training wasn’t as intense as it needed to be?Leuth said:The 'saved us from League Two' is somewhat accurate, but it ignores the fact that any semi-competent manager would have not had us in that trouble in the first place with the squad we had. We had a generational collapse of morale under Appleton; it's maybe the only time I've genuinely felt a Charlton manager has 'lost the dressing room'. If Holden had been retained we'd have been nowhere near that positionHe started that season with a win against promoted Orient and five straight losses in all comps, including the last three with a goal in the last 5 minutes. The team clearly wasn’t fit enough and it would’ve only been exacerbated the longer he stayed around.
May not have been as bad as it was under Appleton but I can’t claim that as confidently as others can.5 -
If you are going to build something, build it from the defence. We are up there with the best in terms of clean sheets. That has to be the rock where we progress from. What has happened this season is injuries have affected the defence but that is sorting itself out. We can't afford to concede but we are good at keeping teams out. With a lot of games still to play, we should be looking at building on that and if we do, relehation won't be an issue.
Today is a big game as the gap to West Brom would be 9 points away with a win or 3 points with a defeat. 9 points will take a lot of catching.1 -
Fucking come on. Who wants this? Who wants this. We're going down and Jones will never find serious employment again8
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At least wait til the game's finished!1
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It will finish 3-0.crookester said:At least wait til the game's finished!6 -
Must not criticise. “Who would you have instead?…zzzzzz”2
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I have no idea what some of you expected from this season. We have a low budget and we’re six points above the drop with 12.5 games to go. I would have bitten your hand off for that in July13
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I'm not saying it isn't sh1t btw, just that there's a lot of time to turn it around. Be my guest on 90 mins
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We don't need to finish six points above the dropLeuth said:
We're not going to finish six points above the dropfenaddick said:I have no idea what some of you expected from this season. We have a low budget and we’re six points above the drop with 12.5 games to go. I would have bitten your hand off for that in July5 -
I do hope events humiliate me tonight, but don't hold your breath.
Unless Coventry comes on and plays like peak Roy Keane, then I'm still right5 -
Would also say it’s absolutely pathetic that people think it’s pathetic to criticise him, when you see that first half showing and tactics… whether you are pro Jones or not, surely anyone, anyone, can see that criticism and concerns about him are fully vindicatedNabySarr said:
Actually pathetic that anyone wanted him sacked this season. What he’s achieved in 2 years is incredible, doubt there’s another team in the football league that has progressed that much in that timeScoham said:
that half was utterly utterly pathetic
turned up at a broken battered down and out team and not even attempted to pass the ball out of our third, no system no offence no strategy for possession. They do not attempt to play any football! Are they even training with balls or are they doing the Mike Bassett thing and just training without balls based on positioning
COME ON JONES SHUT ME UP AND TRANSFORM IT
Second half needs to be 100x better0 -
Just want to be able to watch a football team that doesn't look like they actively don't want the ball for large parts of the game.
Is that too much to ask?1 -
The difference is between criticising NJ and saying he should be sacked.paulsturgess said:
Would also say it’s absolutely pathetic that people think it’s pathetic to criticise him, when you see that first half showing and tactics… whether you are pro Jones or not, surely anyone, anyone, can see that criticism and concerns about him are fully vindicatedNabySarr said:
Actually pathetic that anyone wanted him sacked this season. What he’s achieved in 2 years is incredible, doubt there’s another team in the football league that has progressed that much in that timeScoham said:7 -
Is any kind of identity or plan when in possession too much to ask?fenaddick said:I have no idea what some of you expected from this season. We have a low budget and we’re six points above the drop with 12.5 games to go. I would have bitten your hand off for that in July0 -
I’d take peak Kishishev.Leuth said:I do hope events humiliate me tonight, but don't hold your breath.
Unless Coventry comes on and plays like peak Roy Keane, then I'm still right0 -
I'm not saying it's perfect or we can't improve but we're still in a better position than most of us expectedThe Red Robin said:
Is any kind of identity or plan when in possession too much to ask?fenaddick said:I have no idea what some of you expected from this season. We have a low budget and we’re six points above the drop with 12.5 games to go. I would have bitten your hand off for that in July1 -
Many on here don’t see the difference and/or think his name is sacrosanct and any criticism is Charlton life treason and should be punished by deathChunes said:
The difference is between criticising NJ and saying he should be sacked.paulsturgess said:
Would also say it’s absolutely pathetic that people think it’s pathetic to criticise him, when you see that first half showing and tactics… whether you are pro Jones or not, surely anyone, anyone, can see that criticism and concerns about him are fully vindicatedNabySarr said:
Actually pathetic that anyone wanted him sacked this season. What he’s achieved in 2 years is incredible, doubt there’s another team in the football league that has progressed that much in that timeScoham said:
he got us promoted for which I’m eternally grateful but fuck me if you’ve watched us this season you can’t be of sound mind if you can’t at least empathise with people wondering or raising the question as to whether he’s the man for the long term3
