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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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It's just so easy, isn't it?Nicholas said:
Forget all this budget bollocks, are you telling me we are not better then, Sheff W, Oxford, WBA, Blackburn, Pompey. Are you telling me we are not just as good or there or there abouts with the likes Norwich, Stoke, Swansea, QPR, Watford, Derby, PNE ,Bristol City even poxy Hull.superclive98 said:
Perhaps because we are realists.Nadou said:I'm amazed at how many people say they don't care what the football is like. If the result is all that matters, they could stay at home and check the result at the end of the game.
I really don't know what you expected with us being promoted via the play-offs and having one of the smallest budgets in the division.
Would you be happy if we tried to play expansive football with players that aren't up to it and got picked off week in week out and were now in the drop zone?
Everyone on here makes out that all of us who are not Jones fans are the negative ones but it's not, it's the ones who enjoy watching the shit he serves up every week that are. I beleive this squad should be finising mid table easily. I beleive we should be attacking the shit teams down the bottom and actually try and beat them. I think we should be more reserved against the other midtable teams that I said said we are as good as, and I think we should play Jones ball against the big teams who we know are much better then us, soak it up and hope for the best. That should def not be every game though.10 -
Mid table easy?Nicholas said:
Forget all this budget bollocks, are you telling me we are not better then, Sheff W, Oxford, WBA, Blackburn, Pompey. Are you telling me we are not just as good or there or there abouts with the likes Norwich, Stoke, Swansea, QPR, Watford, Derby, PNE ,Bristol City even poxy Hull.superclive98 said:
Perhaps because we are realists.Nadou said:I'm amazed at how many people say they don't care what the football is like. If the result is all that matters, they could stay at home and check the result at the end of the game.
I really don't know what you expected with us being promoted via the play-offs and having one of the smallest budgets in the division.
Would you be happy if we tried to play expansive football with players that aren't up to it and got picked off week in week out and were now in the drop zone?
Everyone on here makes out that all of us who are not Jones fans are the negative ones but it's not, it's the ones who enjoy watching the shit he serves up every week that are. I beleive this squad should be finising mid table easily. I beleive we should be attacking the shit teams down the bottom and actually try and beat them. I think we should be more reserved against the other midtable teams that I said said we are as good as, and I think we should play Jones ball against the big teams who we know are much better then us, soak it up and hope for the best. That should def not be every game though.Kaminski - Relegated at Champ
Ramsay - No previous Champ football
jones - No previous Champ football.
bell - Relegated at Champ.
Clarke- Ipswich 4th choice RB
Coventry - 1/2 season at champ football.
Doc- Released from a midtable champ side
Carey- No previous Champ football
Leaburn- No previous champ football
Dykes- Sold to L1 by a Champ side.
Should we have attacked West Brom tonight absolutely. Are you delusional for thinking we’re suddenly good Midtable championship level after 5 years in L1 absolutely17 -
We are going to stay up thoughWillmoreTheRed said:Still in the we should of sacked him 10 games ago camp, I’ll get pelted for it but I don’t think his style of football will keep us up.4 -
WillmoreTheRed said:Still in the we should of sacked him 10 games ago camp, I’ll get pelted for it but I don’t think his style of football will keep us up.Well seeing that we've gone from 20th > 17th and the gap has gone from 5-pts to 7-pts in those ten gamesYou've already got that one wrong then havent you...12
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I am the ultimate pragmatist, so I don’t give a flying fuck how we play, as long as we stay up. Walking out of the Den I thought we were proper fucked, and now we’re not.
if we’re still stinking the place out in a years time, then I’ll worry, but I don’t think we will, but give me dull and staying up every day this season15 -
I think Jones has done an amazing job to get this team to where we are currently, but it's a tough tough watch.11
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I believe we'll stay up and be able to say the season has been a success.
However, with the football that Jones has served up I do not think will see us become a play-off challenging team.5 -
I remember many League One seasons where I felt we should be in the promotion race. But with the power of hindsight, I look back at the teams we were playing back then... The likes of Gilbey, Innis, Hector, Gunter, Bogle, Ben Watson, Lavelle, DJ, MacG, Ness... etc. These teams were never getting promoted because they were not good enough.
If NJ keeps us up, I'm pretty sure we will look back on this team in a few years and wonder how he did it.
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No one sensible would within 2 years, especially considering who’s coming down from the Premier League, and the mega investment clubs like Wrexham, Birmingham and Southampton will have over the summer, plus clubs who have been here for a while.ElfsborgAddick said:I believe we'll stay up and be able to say the season has been a success.
However, with the football that Jones has served up I do not think will see us become a play-off challenging team.This is a long term turnaround project, mid table alrightness with a bit of added spice would be a result next year. We are still light years behind the other established clubs in this league10 -
That was grim viewing. I refuse to believe NJ is actively telling this team to play that negatively. The frustration from Jones, the coaches, and half the players is obvious every time we turn backwards under zero pressure. Clarke practically looks ready to explode whenever we double back yet again.The theory behind the system makes sense, patient build-up, probing for mistakes, but the reality is painful. Our players don’t keep possession well enough, don’t pass cleanly enough and seem to panic at the first sign of trouble before hoofing it upfield. Jones’ reactions to those long balls say everything.Given these recurring issues, a tactical change may be necessary. The larger concern, however, is whether the current squad is equipped to implement an alternative system effectively at this level, or is it simply a case of better the devil you know?6
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I do not disagree with your post, what I would say is that this 'long term turnaround project' may see us go down rather than get into the play-offs.Rothko said:
No one sensible would within 2 years, especially considering who’s coming down from the Premier League, and the mega investment clubs like Wrexham, Birmingham and Southampton will have over the summer, plus clubs who have been here for a while.ElfsborgAddick said:I believe we'll stay up and be able to say the season has been a success.
However, with the football that Jones has served up I do not think will see us become a play-off challenging team.This is a long term turnaround project, mid table alrightness with a bit of added spice would be a result next year. We are still light years behind the other established clubs in this league3 -
There does appear to be a very strong narrative change these last few games... From... "Jones cant get results" to... "I don't like how we're getting results"12
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Just hope Chapple has been racking up the air miles finding a couple of quality CMs that aren't just workhorses for the summer.10
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If you watched Jones during the game or in his post match interview, it is pretty clear he is very frustrated with the performance.It is his team at the end of the day: he picks it, trains them, and has to motivate them. But it’s clear he is not happy with what the players produced.4
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Agreed. Certain people seem to be trying to change the narrative from "he's got to go because he will take us down", to "he's got to go because his style of football is crap".ForeverAddickted said:There does appear to be a very strong narrative change these last few games... From... "Jones cant get results" to... "I don't like how we're getting results"
Two totally different things.11 -
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Dont think it will ever change0 -
Some of our fans are an embarrassment and deserve to get relegated back to league 1 and stay there.2 years ago 20th in league 1, tonight 17th in the championship and still moaning because we didn’t play well enough in our away draw. The entitlement is crazy. To have called for his head once is silly, to do it again this season is just embarrassing. To still be moaning after tonight, honestly just fuck off because you’ll never be happy18
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I think the quality of our players is 3rd or 4th worst in the division, therefore we are over achieving at present, and I'm just happy to stay in the division by hook or by crook... this year. Then naturally everyone will want progression in terms of quality of players and style of play.
However, while I credit Jones for over achieving with these players, our transfer business with fees has been exceptionally poor, and Jones is at least partially responsible for that too.
Our midfielders are simply not good enough to play good football in this division. Coady is a stop-gap solution to keep us up, fine.
We don't have a single attacker that could be considered "good" for the division. Thats a big problem.
The key thing Jones could POTENTIALLY do to have us playing better football is to have attacking threats down both sides of the pitch. We started the season off well with Apter and TC attacking both flanks. As soon as Bree came in, Jones suddenly favored having a more solid and less attacking option down the right. That plan brought us short term points from Bree doing well, but since that initial burst our football has been ugly and attritional.
We fell into our successful formation last season when Small got shoe horned onto the right.
Anyway I can see the arguments for and against it, but next season regardless of division we need to go back to having attack down both flanks.2 -
Agree with this. This season is all about staying up, so even if we finish 21st and stay up on goal difference then it's job done.fenaddick said:
All about context. In the context of staying up I don't particularly care, going forward I will care moreNadou said:I'm amazed at how many people say they don't care what the football is like. If the result is all that matters, they could stay at home and check the result at the end of the game.
We all know the football is terrible, we all want us to play better football, we all want a midfielder who can put his foot on the ball and control a game, we all want to see someone creating things. But let's stay up first and then hopefully that progression will come next season.5 -
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We are one of the shit teams down the bottom!Nicholas said:
Forget all this budget bollocks, are you telling me we are not better then, Sheff W, Oxford, WBA, Blackburn, Pompey. Are you telling me we are not just as good or there or there abouts with the likes Norwich, Stoke, Swansea, QPR, Watford, Derby, PNE ,Bristol City even poxy Hull.superclive98 said:
Perhaps because we are realists.Nadou said:I'm amazed at how many people say they don't care what the football is like. If the result is all that matters, they could stay at home and check the result at the end of the game.
I really don't know what you expected with us being promoted via the play-offs and having one of the smallest budgets in the division.
Would you be happy if we tried to play expansive football with players that aren't up to it and got picked off week in week out and were now in the drop zone?
Everyone on here makes out that all of us who are not Jones fans are the negative ones but it's not, it's the ones who enjoy watching the shit he serves up every week that are. I beleive this squad should be finising mid table easily. I beleive we should be attacking the shit teams down the bottom and actually try and beat them. I think we should be more reserved against the other midtable teams that I said said we are as good as, and I think we should play Jones ball against the big teams who we know are much better then us, soak it up and hope for the best. That should def not be every game though.
Also yes we are currently better than Sheff W (beat them), Oxford (beat them), WBA (4 points off them) and Blackburn (4 points off them). We're above all of those teams so i'm not sure what point you're trying to make?
Some of the other clubs you've named are longstanding Championship sides with much bigger wage bills than us. Derby have a striker who cost 7m, Norwich spent almost 30m. On many occasions this season we have matched teams like that, we beat Watford and Stoke, we got draws against Bristol city, Swansea, QPR, Derby, Hull.
But as a newly promoted side, in what world do you think we are seriously "as good or there or thereabouts with poxy Hull". They are 4th, third highest scorers in the division and are six points off automatic promotion with a game in hand. Give your head a wobble.23 -
We have several game plans none of which involve being able to pass the ball, possibly because no one can reliably pass the ball.
1) the ultra defensive - got a showing against Swansea, 6 defenders with Ramsay at RWB
2) the defensive nick a goal 5 back type A - two tall lads up top, wing backs mostly defensive lump and hope
3) the slightly less defensive nick a goal 5 back type B - two tall lads up top, wingers involved in final third (at oppo goal end), creates some chances
4) the alternative striker nick a goal 5 back type C - TC, kelman or godden instead of leaburn
5) the above arent working variation - try a back 4 and wingers, used also when we are a goal down and havent quite capitulated yet
The main issue seems to be that we don't often have the quality to pass through midfield and if our wingbacks don't or can't get past the defence we are toothless until we move to 5). Teams now know the variations and set up to frustrate us.
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This. It really is that simple.fenaddick said:
All about context. In the context of staying up I don't particularly care, going forward I will care moreNadou said:I'm amazed at how many people say they don't care what the football is like. If the result is all that matters, they could stay at home and check the result at the end of the game.0 -
NJ mentioned “an incident” before the game in his post match presser, I wonder what that was?0
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Probably the coach getting stuck in traffic and them walking.Diebythesword said:NJ mentioned “an incident” before the game in his post match presser, I wonder what that was?0 -
I read they were stuck in traffic and had to walk, must be the 34th time its happened this season.Diebythesword said:NJ mentioned “an incident” before the game in his post match presser, I wonder what that was?
The football is turgid, but unfortunately thats just his style. Itl be exactly the same next season, just hopefully with slightly better players.
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Eh? You honestly can’t see or understand why people are moaning after that?NabySarr said:Some of our fans are an embarrassment and deserve to get relegated back to league 1 and stay there.2 years ago 20th in league 1, tonight 17th in the championship and still moaning because we didn’t play well enough in our away draw. The entitlement is crazy. To have called for his head once is silly, to do it again this season is just embarrassing. To still be moaning after tonight, honestly just fuck off because you’ll never be happyA late post so will assume benefit of the doubt you must have had a few during the course of the evening cos that is unhinged1 -
Moan about the performance, fine - calling for Jones’ head after one defeat in 6 seem off. I think some people are just entrenched in their views, tis the way of the world.paulsturgess said:
Eh? You honestly can’t see or understand why people are moaning after that?NabySarr said:Some of our fans are an embarrassment and deserve to get relegated back to league 1 and stay there.2 years ago 20th in league 1, tonight 17th in the championship and still moaning because we didn’t play well enough in our away draw. The entitlement is crazy. To have called for his head once is silly, to do it again this season is just embarrassing. To still be moaning after tonight, honestly just fuck off because you’ll never be happyA late post so will assume benefit of the doubt you must have had a few during the course of the evening cos that is unhinged
I remember people “moaning” about our style of football when we won the league with Powell.13 -
Agree with this. We've been shipwrecked and lost at sea for a decade and surviving marooned on a desert island is all that matters this season.fenaddick said:
All about context. In the context of staying up I don't particularly care, going forward I will care moreNadou said:I'm amazed at how many people say they don't care what the football is like. If the result is all that matters, they could stay at home and check the result at the end of the game.
Can improve the home comforts herein in future seasons but literally all that matters is ensuring this League One squad that crept up in the playoffs and were favourites for the drop before a ball had been kicked survives for another go next year.
Jones is doing what it takes to grind out enough points against more competent and lavish squads to literally go against the odds and keep us in the league for another go next year. It doesn't mean that will bw perpetual season after season. This season should be viewed in isolation without extrapolating it to future ones and expecting it'll be years of dire football.
If this was his/ our third or even second consecutive term in the championship I'd be equally unaccepting and fed up with turgid, negative and rigid anti football tactics but it's not. We've taken 4 points off west brom this season including a massive one last night at theirs and drew witn a Southampton team away that battered us at home.
17th in the league with a 7 point gap this morning and i would have bitten hands off for that at start of the season.
Yes we may be able to go out more positively and win games but equally that may backfire and we lose as valiant losers who gave it a go and end up in a more perilous position.
It's ugly boring and frustrating but pragmatic and objectively is so far on track to achieve the season's objective of staying up.
Grinding out shit performances but collecting points is the name of the game this season and is not indicative of future performances.
Jones lives by the sword and if it fails and we go down then he'll no doubt suffer the consequences. But if he keeps us up no matter how ugly he's taken the first major step of establishing us as a championship side after being a league one also ran for over a decade and that will likely earn him a bigger budget, attract better quality of squad and permit him to be less pragmatic and rigid with his team selections and tactics if so. And if not then he'll not succeed. But for now as grim as it is fir 90 mins the bigger picture of keeping us up is on track and that's literally all that matters this season in isolation.11 -
Did that really ever happen ? BwP was the bollox and we finished with over 100 points.WSS said:paulsturgess said:
Eh? You honestly can’t see or understand why people are moaning after that?NabySarr said:Some of our fans are an embarrassment and deserve to get relegated back to league 1 and stay there.2 years ago 20th in league 1, tonight 17th in the championship and still moaning because we didn’t play well enough in our away draw. The entitlement is crazy. To have called for his head once is silly, to do it again this season is just embarrassing. To still be moaning after tonight, honestly just fuck off because you’ll never be happyA late post so will assume benefit of the doubt you must have had a few during the course of the evening cos that is unhinged
I remember people “moaning” about our style of football when we won the league with Powell.2
