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I am going to say it!! Yes I am, Nathan Jones......................
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It did. I remember one poster in particular, I think he was called scabbyhorse, always complaining about the style even when we won. To be fair he was consistent on it. The knives came out a little bit on here when we went through that very brief wobble in March and a few people poked their heads up to say this was always coming and we would be overtaken by the Sheffield clubs because our football style was terrible. Also worth remembering that BWP didn't score between 19th November and 22nd February and there were plenty on here asking why Powell wouldn't drop his favourite, asking what Paul Hayes had done to get dropped and generally bemoaning selection choices. More than a few weekly complaints as well that Dale Stephens dropped too deep and we looked a better team with Andy Hughes in there instead of him.shine166 said:
Did that really ever happen ? BwP was the bollox and we finished with over 100 points.WSS said:paulsturgess said:
Eh? You honestly can’t see or understand why people are moaning after that?NabySarr said:Some of our fans are an embarrassment and deserve to get relegated back to league 1 and stay there.2 years ago 20th in league 1, tonight 17th in the championship and still moaning because we didn’t play well enough in our away draw. The entitlement is crazy. To have called for his head once is silly, to do it again this season is just embarrassing. To still be moaning after tonight, honestly just fuck off because you’ll never be happyA late post so will assume benefit of the doubt you must have had a few during the course of the evening cos that is unhinged
I remember people “moaning” about our style of football when we won the league with Powell.8 -
It 100% happened and was the usual posters. We played very ugly football at times, but had a really good forward pairing. Powell even said something along the lines of "sometimes you have to play ugly to grind out games".paulsturgess said:
Yeh really not sure about that. The only hint of meaningful complaint I can remember from that season was the Stevenage game when Powell tried to be a bit too clever and put Morrison RB instead of Sollyshine166 said:
Did that really ever happen ? BwP was the bollox and we finished with over 100 points.WSS said:paulsturgess said:
Eh? You honestly can’t see or understand why people are moaning after that?NabySarr said:Some of our fans are an embarrassment and deserve to get relegated back to league 1 and stay there.2 years ago 20th in league 1, tonight 17th in the championship and still moaning because we didn’t play well enough in our away draw. The entitlement is crazy. To have called for his head once is silly, to do it again this season is just embarrassing. To still be moaning after tonight, honestly just fuck off because you’ll never be happyA late post so will assume benefit of the doubt you must have had a few during the course of the evening cos that is unhinged
I remember people “moaning” about our style of football when we won the league with Powell.0 -
Garrymanilow said:
It did. I remember one poster in particular, I think he was called scabbyhorse, always complaining about the style even when we won. To be fair he was consistent on it. The knives came out a little bit on here when we went through that very brief wobble in March and a few people poked their heads up to say this was always coming and we would be overtaken by the Sheffield clubs because our football style was terrible. Also worth remembering that BWP didn't score between 19th November and 22nd February and there were plenty on here asking why Powell wouldn't drop his favourite, asking what Paul Hayes had done to get dropped and generally bemoaning selection choices. More than a few weekly complaints as well that Dale Stephens dropped too deep and we looked a better team with Andy Hughes in there instead of him.shine166 said:
Did that really ever happen ? BwP was the bollox and we finished with over 100 points.WSS said:paulsturgess said:
Eh? You honestly can’t see or understand why people are moaning after that?NabySarr said:Some of our fans are an embarrassment and deserve to get relegated back to league 1 and stay there.2 years ago 20th in league 1, tonight 17th in the championship and still moaning because we didn’t play well enough in our away draw. The entitlement is crazy. To have called for his head once is silly, to do it again this season is just embarrassing. To still be moaning after tonight, honestly just fuck off because you’ll never be happyA late post so will assume benefit of the doubt you must have had a few during the course of the evening cos that is unhinged
I remember people “moaning” about our style of football when we won the league with Powell.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/57193/powells-football-is-terrible/p1
Some comments on the first page:
"Making do with the midfield he's got. We don't really have a ball player central midfielder that's any good."
"He's hardly had a bomb to spend in the summer , compared to Lomas."
"This side reminds me of the team that got relegated to league one.
Devoid of ideas , very little quality ( the only quality was stuck on the bench ) and we are so negative .
It's depressing."
"I don't care if he hasn't got the players at his disposal. Anyone can get a team of people playing good, pass and move football. For a couple of years now the football we've played has been nothing more than boring and workman like performance's"2 -
Nicholas said:
Who mentioned Jones out?? 99% are sick of these awful performences week after week and are moaning about that.WSS said:
Moan about the performance, fine - calling for Jones’ head after one defeat in 6 seem off. I think some people are just entrenched in their views, tie the way of the world.paulsturgess said:
Eh? You honestly can’t see or understand why people are moaning after that?NabySarr said:Some of our fans are an embarrassment and deserve to get relegated back to league 1 and stay there.2 years ago 20th in league 1, tonight 17th in the championship and still moaning because we didn’t play well enough in our away draw. The entitlement is crazy. To have called for his head once is silly, to do it again this season is just embarrassing. To still be moaning after tonight, honestly just fuck off because you’ll never be happyA late post so will assume benefit of the doubt you must have had a few during the course of the evening cos that is unhinged
I remember people “moaning” about our style of football when we won the league with Powell.
Yes he got us promoted last year but only after people ripped the shit out of the exact same we play now against the likes of Bristol Rovers, Exeter and Crawley. He finally went a bit more attacking and the rest is history. No one is expecting free flowing attacking football, just a tiny bit of actual football would be nice.
You can tell everyone has had enough the Valley has the league 1 crowd look about it again. It's also very hard for the fans who travel up and down the country who spend shit loads of money to watch that so called football. I suggest a load on here try and see how long they last.
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I'm not sure if Jones can play another style of football. We have a very limited squad which is set up to play with limited possession and trying to nick a result.
I think the failure of our opponents to take their chances has helped us - we seem to have been outplayed in a number of games.
It will be an achievement to stay up but if we play like this next season we'll definitely be in a relegation battle.
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Did Nathan say after the match that people say he can change his formation etc? It sounded like he's been reading Charlton life! Although you could say it was just another one of his little digs... Bless him.0
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Playing devil's advocate a little here, but during the latter part of last season when Jones had us grinding out 1-0 wins on our way to the play offs there were very little complaints about the style of play we were using to get the job done.
Now we're in the league above and pretty much using the same defence-first approach to grind out the points needed to survive which is our single objective this season (giving us the chance to regroup and rebuild in the summer), and it's a different story on here...
It's not about loyalty - these days promotion into the Championship is a big leap for any team and unless you've got the finances of a Wrexham/Birmingham, 90% of managers are going to take the same approach to that first season. The likes of Powell/Bowyer etc didn't give us particularly attractive attacking sides during promotion seasons, let alone that first season in the league above.
I've no doubt that Jones wants us to be more attacking/fluid but with the squad and at this point in the season his aim is the same as ours - just do whatever it takes to avoid relegation, simple as that.2 -
His Luton sides played really good attacking football, once they were established in the leagues they were in7
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Not sure it’s that simple. Without injuries in key positions we wouldn’t have been in one this season. If we play the same way with an improved squad we will probably be mid table, though I’m sure that won’t be enough for some on here!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I'm not sure if Jones can play another style of football. We have a very limited squad which is set up to play with limited possession and trying to nick a result.
I think the failure of our opponents to take their chances has helped us - we seem to have been outplayed in a number of games.
It will be an achievement to stay up but if we play like this next season we'll definitely be in a relegation battle.0 -
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No one is ridiculing you, you're a grown man and you can do whatever you want with your money.raytreacy said:
Exactly this. I have supported the Club for 65 years home and away. I put a four figure sum into the the VIP scheme to get us back to the Valley. I spent a five figure sum buying Charlton shares which were declared valueless. I have always wanted what is best for the Club. I honestly believe that if we want to take the club forward next season we need a new manager and one who can play more progresively. I know that a lot of posters are loyal to Jones and that is admirable. But I don’t think he is the right man. I should be able to voice that opinion without ridicule.paulsturgess said:
99% of people have no interest or concern in being proved right. I can't tell you how ecstatically happy I was to be proved wrong last seasonNabySarr said:
This thread is full of people wanting him sacked recently. Sure it will be active again next season when people want to be wrong a 3rd timeNicholas said:Yeah and no one has mentioned it this season. Last season I wanted him gone and it wont be long before I want him out again if this dross continues. He has done the same as last season and divided the fans, some believe crap football crap tactics, the others believe necessary tactics to keep us in the division. The majority of fans who hate his tactics don't want him gone, just want him to be a bit more positive.
people desperately want the club and the team to succeed and when alarm bells start sounding they react, it's natural and reasonable
I think what people might struggle to understand though is why after having a ST through the countless awful managers we've had (Fraeye, Slade, Garner, Appleton etc) and the many years we've spent with terrible owners as well as being absolutely shite in league one, is it now when we're on the verge of our highest league finish for 11 years that you've decided enough is enough and you won't renew your ST?13 -
Agree with most of the comments on here re: staying up is all that counts this season and doesn't matter how we achieve it but surely Jones can see that Dykes and Leaburn doesn't work as front two?3
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I do wonder what the future is for Nathan Jones' style of football in a wider sense. He used to be a bit of a throwback with his aggressive teams but he worked in a cross-pitch high press to the hardcore defensive style and it was a real shock to the system for EFL teams at the time when the fashion was becoming more focused on passing out from the back and more technical football. That's why Jones' style was able to see him go from low down in L2 to the Championship Play-Off spots without too much trouble. English football is going through a new phase now though where physical strength and fitness is becoming the central point of the game and the top teams are relying on power, set pieces, stamina and outfighting their opponents instead of control. Arsenal and City at the top are playing with big centre backs they have roughly converted into full backs and asking them to push on, asking for huge work rate from their wingers and try to control key moments in games rather than the game itself. That filters down and now we're seeing teams become much more used to a high press, much more physically capable of dealing with clogging and being quite happy themselves to play percentage balls and sledgehammer through the middle rather than drag a team around the pitch. If you can defend well and keep the ball out of your goal then you're always going to be ok so I don't think it's anything like the end of the road for Jones but I do wonder if we will see the kind of heights his football was able to reach again as long as the fashion in English football remains focused on power and fitness. Until football twists again it might be that Jonesball treads water and there isn't really a massive upside where the team can evolve beyond a certain point. We'll see8
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It worked at Leicester and on Saturday though. If it had failed every time and we were still trying it then that would be stupid but it worked as recently as the weekendkinveachyaddick said:Agree with most of the comments on here re: staying up is all that counts this season and doesn't matter how we achieve it but surely Jones can see that Dykes and Leaburn doesn't work as front two?0 -
I think the weekend is a different context, Leaburn came off the bench against less fresh defenders. I don't mind big man/big man at the end of the game but I don't want it from the startNabySarr said:
It worked at Leicester and on Saturday though. If it had failed every time and we were still trying it then that would be stupid but it worked as recently as the weekendkinveachyaddick said:Agree with most of the comments on here re: staying up is all that counts this season and doesn't matter how we achieve it but surely Jones can see that Dykes and Leaburn doesn't work as front two?3 -
Not sure this rings true. We've been inconsistent all season with very few decent scoreline wins. 🟢Win ⚪Draw 🔴LossNabySarr said:
Not sure it’s that simple. Without injuries in key positions we wouldn’t have been in one this season. If we play the same way with an improved squad we will probably be mid table, though I’m sure that won’t be enough for some on here!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I'm not sure if Jones can play another style of football. We have a very limited squad which is set up to play with limited possession and trying to nick a result.
I think the failure of our opponents to take their chances has helped us - we seem to have been outplayed in a number of games.
It will be an achievement to stay up but if we play like this next season we'll definitely be in a relegation battle.August
Watford 0–1 Charlton 🟢
Bristol City 0–0 Charlton ⚪
Charlton 0–1 Leicester City 🔴
QPR 3–1 Charlton 🔴September
Charlton 1–1 Millwall ⚪
Sheffield United 0–1 Charlton 🟢
Charlton 3–0 Blackburn ⚪
Derby County 1–1 Charlton ⚪October
Preston North End 2–0 Charlton 🔴
Charlton 2–1 Sheffield Wednesday 🟢
Ipswich Town 0–3 Charlton 🟢
Hull City 1–1 Charlton ⚪November
Charlton 1–1 Swansea ⚪
Charlton 1–0 West Brom 🟢
Wrexham 1–0 Charlton 🔴
Charlton 1–5 Southampton 🔴
Stoke City 3–0 Charlton 🔴
Coventry City 3–1 Charlton 🔴December
Charlton 1–2 Middlesbrough 🔴
Birmingham City 1–1 Charlton ⚪
Charlton 1–0 Oxford United 🟢
Norwich City 1–0 Charlton 🔴
Portsmouth 2–1 Charlton 🔴
Charlton 1–1 Coventry ⚪
Blackburn 2–2 Charlton ⚪January
Charlton 1–0 Sheffield United 🟢
Charlton 1–2 Derby 🔴
Millwall 4–0 Charlton 🔴
Leicester City 0–2 Charlton 🟢February (to date)
Charlton 0–0 QPR ⚪
Charlton 1–0 Stoke 🟢
Charlton 1–3 Portsmouth 🔴
Southampton 1–1 Charlton ⚪
West Brom 1–1 Charlton ⚪So we have only won three games by two goals or more. Blackburn at home, Ipswich away and Leicester away.
As for games missed - I think this is about right:
- Edwards missed 27 games so far I think?
- Ramsay missed 5 games
- Bell has missed 10 games
- Jones has missed 0 games
- Leaburn has missed 2 games (2 more he was on the bench)
- Godden has missed 28 games
- Burke has missed 17 games (4 more he was on the bench)
- Kelman has missed 7 games (3 more on the bench)
I think that's all our injured players across this season. Surely Godden, Burke and Edwards haven't had THAT much of an affect?2 -
No it didn't. He started with Dykes and TC on Saturday.NabySarr said:
It worked at Leicester and on Saturday though. If it had failed every time and we were still trying it then that would be stupid but it worked as recently as the weekendkinveachyaddick said:Agree with most of the comments on here re: staying up is all that counts this season and doesn't matter how we achieve it but surely Jones can see that Dykes and Leaburn doesn't work as front two?1 -
kinveachyaddick said:
No it didn't. He started with Dykes and TC on Saturday.NabySarr said:
It worked at Leicester and on Saturday though. If it had failed every time and we were still trying it then that would be stupid but it worked as recently as the weekendkinveachyaddick said:Agree with most of the comments on here re: staying up is all that counts this season and doesn't matter how we achieve it but surely Jones can see that Dykes and Leaburn doesn't work as front two?Leaburn came on for TC minute later we score because Southampton had to have both centrebacks marking both central strikers instead of having one free giving Carey more space on the edge of the box hence safe to say it worked0 -
That middle section where we had no left back had a huge effect. It’s just Edwards really, but if he hadn’t have got a bad injury or we had better cover then we’d have loads more points and be comfortably safe by now. We should have a better squad next season, so playing the same way we should be safe againDazzler21 said:
Not sure this rings true. We've been inconsistent all season with very few decent scoreline wins. 🟢Win ⚪Draw 🔴LossNabySarr said:
Not sure it’s that simple. Without injuries in key positions we wouldn’t have been in one this season. If we play the same way with an improved squad we will probably be mid table, though I’m sure that won’t be enough for some on here!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I'm not sure if Jones can play another style of football. We have a very limited squad which is set up to play with limited possession and trying to nick a result.
I think the failure of our opponents to take their chances has helped us - we seem to have been outplayed in a number of games.
It will be an achievement to stay up but if we play like this next season we'll definitely be in a relegation battle.August
Watford 0–1 Charlton 🟢
Bristol City 0–0 Charlton ⚪
Charlton 0–1 Leicester City 🔴
QPR 3–1 Charlton 🔴September
Charlton 1–1 Millwall ⚪
Sheffield United 0–1 Charlton 🟢
Charlton 3–0 Blackburn ⚪
Derby County 1–1 Charlton ⚪October
Preston North End 2–0 Charlton 🔴
Charlton 2–1 Sheffield Wednesday 🟢
Ipswich Town 0–3 Charlton 🟢
Hull City 1–1 Charlton ⚪November
Charlton 1–1 Swansea ⚪
Charlton 1–0 West Brom 🟢
Wrexham 1–0 Charlton 🔴
Charlton 1–5 Southampton 🔴
Stoke City 3–0 Charlton 🔴
Coventry City 3–1 Charlton 🔴December
Charlton 1–2 Middlesbrough 🔴
Birmingham City 1–1 Charlton ⚪
Charlton 1–0 Oxford United 🟢
Norwich City 1–0 Charlton 🔴
Portsmouth 2–1 Charlton 🔴
Charlton 1–1 Coventry ⚪
Blackburn 2–2 Charlton ⚪January
Charlton 1–0 Sheffield United 🟢
Charlton 1–2 Derby 🔴
Millwall 4–0 Charlton 🔴
Leicester City 0–2 Charlton 🟢February (to date)
Charlton 0–0 QPR ⚪
Charlton 1–0 Stoke 🟢
Charlton 1–3 Portsmouth 🔴
Southampton 1–1 Charlton ⚪
West Brom 1–1 Charlton ⚪So we have only won three games by two goals or more. Blackburn at home, Ipswich away and Leicester away.
As for games missed - I think this is about right:
- Edwards missed 27 games so far I think?
- Ramsay missed 5 games
- Bell has missed 10 games
- Jones has missed 0 games
- Leaburn has missed 2 games (2 more he was on the bench)
- Godden has missed 28 games
- Burke has missed 17 games (4 more he was on the bench)
- Kelman has missed 7 games (3 more on the bench)
I think that's all our injured players across this season. Surely Godden, Burke and Edwards haven't had THAT much of an affect?5 -
Yeah sorry long overdue but been meaning to thank you for getting us that promotion last year with your complaints - don't know why Jones has been getting all the creditNicholas said:
Who mentioned Jones out?? 99% are sick of these awful performences week after week and are moaning about that.WSS said:
Moan about the performance, fine - calling for Jones’ head after one defeat in 6 seem off. I think some people are just entrenched in their views, tie the way of the world.paulsturgess said:
Eh? You honestly can’t see or understand why people are moaning after that?NabySarr said:Some of our fans are an embarrassment and deserve to get relegated back to league 1 and stay there.2 years ago 20th in league 1, tonight 17th in the championship and still moaning because we didn’t play well enough in our away draw. The entitlement is crazy. To have called for his head once is silly, to do it again this season is just embarrassing. To still be moaning after tonight, honestly just fuck off because you’ll never be happyA late post so will assume benefit of the doubt you must have had a few during the course of the evening cos that is unhinged
I remember people “moaning” about our style of football when we won the league with Powell.
Yes he got us promoted last year but only after people ripped the shit out of the exact same we play now against the likes of Bristol Rovers, Exeter and Crawley. He finally went a bit more attacking and the rest is history. No one is expecting free flowing attacking football, just a tiny bit of actual football would be nice.
You can tell everyone has had enough the Valley has the league 1 crowd look about it again. It's also very hard for the fans who travel up and down the country who spend shit loads of money to watch that so called football. I suggest a load on here try and see how long they last.5 -
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Burke no, but Edwards definitely, and not having last seasons top scorer for practically the entire season is a big miss as well. Also the 10 games that Bell missed can't be underestimated either, he's one of the most important players in our team.Dazzler21 said:
Not sure this rings true. We've been inconsistent all season with very few decent scoreline wins. 🟢Win ⚪Draw 🔴LossNabySarr said:
Not sure it’s that simple. Without injuries in key positions we wouldn’t have been in one this season. If we play the same way with an improved squad we will probably be mid table, though I’m sure that won’t be enough for some on here!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I'm not sure if Jones can play another style of football. We have a very limited squad which is set up to play with limited possession and trying to nick a result.
I think the failure of our opponents to take their chances has helped us - we seem to have been outplayed in a number of games.
It will be an achievement to stay up but if we play like this next season we'll definitely be in a relegation battle.August
Watford 0–1 Charlton 🟢
Bristol City 0–0 Charlton ⚪
Charlton 0–1 Leicester City 🔴
QPR 3–1 Charlton 🔴September
Charlton 1–1 Millwall ⚪
Sheffield United 0–1 Charlton 🟢
Charlton 3–0 Blackburn ⚪
Derby County 1–1 Charlton ⚪October
Preston North End 2–0 Charlton 🔴
Charlton 2–1 Sheffield Wednesday 🟢
Ipswich Town 0–3 Charlton 🟢
Hull City 1–1 Charlton ⚪November
Charlton 1–1 Swansea ⚪
Charlton 1–0 West Brom 🟢
Wrexham 1–0 Charlton 🔴
Charlton 1–5 Southampton 🔴
Stoke City 3–0 Charlton 🔴
Coventry City 3–1 Charlton 🔴December
Charlton 1–2 Middlesbrough 🔴
Birmingham City 1–1 Charlton ⚪
Charlton 1–0 Oxford United 🟢
Norwich City 1–0 Charlton 🔴
Portsmouth 2–1 Charlton 🔴
Charlton 1–1 Coventry ⚪
Blackburn 2–2 Charlton ⚪January
Charlton 1–0 Sheffield United 🟢
Charlton 1–2 Derby 🔴
Millwall 4–0 Charlton 🔴
Leicester City 0–2 Charlton 🟢February (to date)
Charlton 0–0 QPR ⚪
Charlton 1–0 Stoke 🟢
Charlton 1–3 Portsmouth 🔴
Southampton 1–1 Charlton ⚪
West Brom 1–1 Charlton ⚪So we have only won three games by two goals or more. Blackburn at home, Ipswich away and Leicester away.
As for games missed - I think this is about right:
- Edwards missed 27 games so far I think?
- Ramsay missed 5 games
- Bell has missed 10 games
- Jones has missed 0 games
- Leaburn has missed 2 games (2 more he was on the bench)
- Godden has missed 28 games
- Burke has missed 17 games (4 more he was on the bench)
- Kelman has missed 7 games (3 more on the bench)
I think that's all our injured players across this season. Surely Godden, Burke and Edwards haven't had THAT much of an affect?4 -
It's more about the combination of injuries at one time than just the players themselves though. When Edwards was out injured we were ok because Bell is so good he covered Gillesphey's lack of pace. Edwards got injured against Blackburn and we only lost one game in that period but once Bell got injured against Swansea we survived the West Brom game and then really struggled for a period where we had non-LWBs playing at LWB which piled much more pressure on Gillesphey than he could handle at this level. We were 1-0 up against Coventry when Bell returned too early and then collapsed after he went off. If you look at something like the Saints game we had no Bell, no Edwards, no Bree - which meant two wingers at WB - no Kelman, no Burke, no Godden and Gough, Laq and Fullah on the bench. We're always going to be inconsistent but I think once we lost too many players at once we lost that momentum we brought up with us and got exposed in key areas. The big killer for us was the fact our squad just can't cope with both Edwards and Bell being out at the same timeDazzler21 said:
Not sure this rings true. We've been inconsistent all season with very few decent scoreline wins. 🟢Win ⚪Draw 🔴LoseNabySarr said:
Not sure it’s that simple. Without injuries in key positions we wouldn’t have been in one this season. If we play the same way with an improved squad we will probably be mid table, though I’m sure that won’t be enough for some on here!hoof_it_up_to_benty said:I'm not sure if Jones can play another style of football. We have a very limited squad which is set up to play with limited possession and trying to nick a result.
I think the failure of our opponents to take their chances has helped us - we seem to have been outplayed in a number of games.
It will be an achievement to stay up but if we play like this next season we'll definitely be in a relegation battle.
As for games missed - I think this is about right:
- Edwards missed 27 games so far I think?
- Ramsay missed 5 games
- Bell has missed 10 games
- Jones has missed 0 games
- Leaburn has missed 2 games (2 more he was on the bench)
- Godden has missed 28 games
- Burke has missed 17 games (4 more he was on the bench)
- Kelman has missed 7 games (3 more on the bench)
I think that's all our injured players across this season. Surely Godden, Burke and Edwards haven't had THAT much of an affect?3 -
Jones press conference after tells you he doesn't want to play this way he wants more quality but we don't hold that.
It is what it is with our budget and if we stay up he deserves all the plaudits.
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These are generally nonsensefenaddick said:
I don't particularly like it as a framework as there's a lot of guesswork involved but here is Transfermarkt's opinion of the lowest 10 squads by squad value. It suggests our squad is pretty weak compared to those we are scrapping it out withpaulsturgess said:We have a low budget but don't think we definitively have a bottom 3 budget, Preston have a similar or maybe even lower budget than us and actually budget is highly relevant but ultimately you have to judge a teams performance Vs the players available to them on the pitch not their budget
we have Campbell, Leaburn and Carey for example who probably worth £10m + between them but cost nothing budget or wages (not to mention LJ) but I still have an expectation on a manager with those resources available to achieve from them, conversely some of the top teams have very highly paid / costly dead wood lingering about but doesn't necessarily make it easy if they're dealt that hand
personally I think the players and team we have are, or could be performing better than we have been, that's my opinion and therefore I'd like to see Jones get more from them, whilst also being conscious that i'm sure there are many managers out there who'd get them doing worse
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I'm not saying it's reliable but it is the best we have given how impossible it would be to have a forensic knowledge of every squad. Of those 9 teams above us I'd be curious to know which you think have a worse squad than we dopaulsturgess said:
These are generally nonsensefenaddick said:
I don't particularly like it as a framework as there's a lot of guesswork involved but here is Transfermarkt's opinion of the lowest 10 squads by squad value. It suggests our squad is pretty weak compared to those we are scrapping it out withpaulsturgess said:We have a low budget but don't think we definitively have a bottom 3 budget, Preston have a similar or maybe even lower budget than us and actually budget is highly relevant but ultimately you have to judge a teams performance Vs the players available to them on the pitch not their budget
we have Campbell, Leaburn and Carey for example who probably worth £10m + between them but cost nothing budget or wages (not to mention LJ) but I still have an expectation on a manager with those resources available to achieve from them, conversely some of the top teams have very highly paid / costly dead wood lingering about but doesn't necessarily make it easy if they're dealt that hand
personally I think the players and team we have are, or could be performing better than we have been, that's my opinion and therefore I'd like to see Jones get more from them, whilst also being conscious that i'm sure there are many managers out there who'd get them doing worse0 -
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I mean they've got a team that has been cultivated at this level for years. Still a no though as we'd just be Millwall in red shirts then.superclive98 said:Serious question for all those that hate the way we play: -
Would you be happy to switch the entire Millwall team/squad and manager, if you like, for ours?0 -
Whilst I'd be the first to admit to being critical of Jonesball at times (though fully conceding its a pragmatic necessity), I will go as far as acknowledging that I think saying he doesn't want or hope for better football and technique might be slightly harsh.
Even if he did want to play passing, exciting style, our midfield options are/were the likes of Doherty, Anderson, Coventry and Coady. None of them are exactly playmaker, for all their other strengths. And yes that does raise the question of buying a player who does fit the requirements but then you have to find one who is actually willing to sign for us, which in at least one known case (Galbraith) was rebuffed.
I do not apologize at all for finding the football we play tedious and limited. But I equally don't disagree that it's to a certain extent forced on us, and I'm not calling for Jones head any time soon. However if next season we're still playing the same tiresome football with the same limited players then I think it's fair to ask questions.
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I'd love to know who people genuinely think we could get in to replace Jones
Whatever happens this season (and I think we'll be ok) he's earned the right at another crack next season9 -
We spent decent enough money on 3 players this summer. Two are now out on loan and one can't get in our side4
