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Away fans housed in West Stand Upper - Testing in 25/26 season
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If current Upper-West season ticket holders are unhappy with this idea & potentially don't renew for next season the club could lose income rather than save money.ElfsborgAddick said:
My old season ticket was in the section they'd want to pass over to the away fans.clive said:
YesChris_from_Sidcup said:Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
I'd not be pleased being moved on 'x' occasions.
It would also be a nightmare for the ticket office sorting this successfully.
When they did this for the Bournemouth game there was loads of problems.
I ended up getting hospitality for the Rotherham home game the following season as an apology.9 -
Keep it for away fans, police it and resource it appropriately depending on attendance. Would be sad to see it empty always good to gauge the away support if I am honest. Multi billionaires are worried about this penny pinching ffs ???? It's the change found down the back of their fcuking sofas ......7
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No it says:DOUCHER said:
No it doesn’t say that, it talks about home fans in there possibly - you’ve assumed it will be shutvalleynick66 said:
That’s isn’t the suggestion.DOUCHER said:
Not bothered for a few games really tbh and if it gives us flexibility to use the JS as well or give an extra area for away fans if they can sell extra then it makes sense - bothers me more seeing half full east and west standsvalleynick66 said:
Why would you want to see an empty stand ?DOUCHER said:
Yes but only when we play the minnows I think is what it’s saying - makes sense to meclive said:
YesChris_from_Sidcup said:Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
It means you move a few home supporters to accommodate a few away supporters to save a few quid.It’s nonsense. A true lose lose scenario.The stand will be fully closed.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Standand temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
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Good idea.Get away fans out from behind a goal.Pardew said it years ago.0
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Let's hope it doesn't go ahead then. If we don't go up , i'm all for it.Callumcafc said:This won’t go ahead if we get promoted.0 -
if the North Lower was terracing this this would be idealcabbie8 said:I’d like to see the north upper fans/noise closer to the pitch and situated in the north lower. I had a conversation with Bowyer previously and he wanted this to happen for same reasons0 -
If they are dedicated fans i'm sure they will relocate . I'm sure a few will kick off but to have home fans behind both goals would be great .clive said:
If current Upper-West season ticket holders are unhappy with this idea & potentially don't renew for next season the club could lose income rather than save money.ElfsborgAddick said:
My old season ticket was in the section they'd want to pass over to the away fans.clive said:
YesChris_from_Sidcup said:Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
I'd not be pleased being moved on 'x' occasions.
It would also be a nightmare for the ticket office sorting this successfully.
When they did this for the Bournemouth game there was loads of problems.
I ended up getting hospitality for the Rotherham home game the following season as an apology.2 -
I've often wondered why people get season tickets in that part of the Upper West. I understand not wanting to be in a crowded area, but it's SO empty up there7
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Given this would probably only be done for teams like Crawley, Burton, Stevenage etc who bring 200 fans and would be the west stand block(s) nearest the JS stand, how many home fans would this impact?clive said:
If current Upper-West season ticket holders are unhappy with this idea & potentially don't renew for next season the club could lose income rather than save money.ElfsborgAddick said:
My old season ticket was in the section they'd want to pass over to the away fans.clive said:
YesChris_from_Sidcup said:Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
I'd not be pleased being moved on 'x' occasions.
It would also be a nightmare for the ticket office sorting this successfully.
When they did this for the Bournemouth game there was loads of problems.
I ended up getting hospitality for the Rotherham home game the following season as an apology.
There can't be too many fans who have a ST there? And if your ST is there then why, aren't you lonely stuck over there?
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The idea appears to be one end will be closed so home fans will only be behind one goalBedsaddick said:
If they are dedicated fans i'm sure they will relocate . I'm sure a few will kick off but to have home fans behind both goals would be great .clive said:
If current Upper-West season ticket holders are unhappy with this idea & potentially don't renew for next season the club could lose income rather than save money.ElfsborgAddick said:
My old season ticket was in the section they'd want to pass over to the away fans.clive said:
YesChris_from_Sidcup said:Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
I'd not be pleased being moved on 'x' occasions.
It would also be a nightmare for the ticket office sorting this successfully.
When they did this for the Bournemouth game there was loads of problems.
I ended up getting hospitality for the Rotherham home game the following season as an apology.7 -
This is irrational, but fans (particularly relatively hardcore, ST owning fans) of football teams are irrational by nature. There’s nothing rational about our love for a professional sports organisation…Chris_from_Sidcup said:
Given this would probably only be done for teams like Crawley, Burton, Stevenage etc who bring 200 fans and would be the west stand block(s) nearest the JS stand, how many home fans would this impact?clive said:
If current Upper-West season ticket holders are unhappy with this idea & potentially don't renew for next season the club could lose income rather than save money.ElfsborgAddick said:
My old season ticket was in the section they'd want to pass over to the away fans.clive said:
YesChris_from_Sidcup said:Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
I'd not be pleased being moved on 'x' occasions.
It would also be a nightmare for the ticket office sorting this successfully.
When they did this for the Bournemouth game there was loads of problems.
I ended up getting hospitality for the Rotherham home game the following season as an apology.
There can't be too many fans who have a ST there? And if your ST is there then why, aren't you lonely stuck over there?
…so with that prelude over, even though I know it’s irrational, I would be annoyed if I got moved out of my long held ST seat even if for a couple of games a season to accommodate away fans. There’s something about the emotional attachment of having a spot in the stadium that feels like yours. The people around you, the view, the route to my seat - all of it connects me to something really important.The goodwill of the fans of this club, after the decade+ of dross that we’ve had to endure is nothing short of extraordinary and we underestimate it at our peril.10 -
Everyone will have their reasons and many won't agree on why and just accept people should move regardless.killerandflash said:I've often wondered why people get season tickets in that part of the Upper West. I understand not wanting to be in a crowded area, but it's SO empty up there
After years of match-by-match tickets I got my first season ticket in the West Upper with Grandparents. They didn't follow football much but wanted to spend time with me, it was where they wanted to sit whilst taking me, a youngster. I have then only had a season-ticket there even though they are not with us anymore. I have sat all around the ground but that is where we sat, and I still do. I follow the same football rituals we did when I was going match by match and with a season-ticket with them. I do them now with my oldest.
Sometimes people have reasons and it doesn't bother us that is is 'boring' or 'SO empty'. We do things we want to do for our own reasons.
For what it is worth, I probably will renew in the same seats I've always had in the West Upper. I will see what the club propose and see how it works if it works. I get the reasoning and want The Valley to hold a great atmosphere. I'm not against moving necessarily and appreciate they have reached out before renewing but you cant be sure of everything and just accept it.
Saying all of the above, this season we've had an increase in free tickets around us and those that attend under those incentives don't always care about the football. A few times we've had seat slamming all the way through and shouting for another team (not even the team we are playing) so it hasn't been as it used to be and affected the enjoyment of the match. This could be the kick needed to move, potentially.
And after I posted the above, I feel like @se9addick posted as well.13 -
Probably season ticket holders.valleynick66 said:
Why would you want to see an empty stand ?DOUCHER said:
Yes but only when we play the minnows I think is what it’s saying - makes sense to meclive said:
YesChris_from_Sidcup said:Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
It means you move a few home supporters to accommodate a few away supporters to save a few quid.It’s nonsense. A true lose lose scenario.
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What if we get palarse in the cup ?ArmchairAddick said:I always think you should look at this in the "what if it was me" view. If I was going to be stuffed up in a corner at an away game I wouldn't bother going.
I think the game atmosphere overall is going to suffer if you leave the Jimmy Seed empty. Having people opposite to shout at is much more fun 😆
Edit: shout not shoot 😜 although .....0 -
I remember as a kid in the early 90s being in the back section of the Jimmy Seed and the away fans being in the front section? Am I imagining this?pettgra said:I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end.
No wonder I kept getting beaten up.0 -
Pompey had a couple of blocks in our anniversary game a few years back?ElfsborgAddick said:
Virtually impossible to implement.cafc_se7 said:I actually think the East Stand is the better place to have away fans but would mean the need for extra stewarding for segregation.0 -
In other news the newly replaced floodlight bulbs will have individual switches so we need only switch on the minimum needed for 3pm matches in the 2nd half and once the clocks change.We will also close the food concession stands in the east stand for evening games when hardly anyone turns up.Finally supporters can contribute to the cost saving at our new go fund me page.But don’t worry all is well financially. 😆1
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If this isn't done to then house home fans in the Jimmy Seed stand then it is absolute tin pot behaviour from the club. Only 3 open stands is a huge no no.9
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they will need extra stewarding for the south end of the West stand upper, as you can get to the north end and center line seats easily.cafc_se7 said:I actually think the East Stand is the better place to have away fans but would mean the need for extra stewarding for segregation.
I would guess they are doing this to force those of us there to the more expensive seats in the upper west.0 - Sponsored links:
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Methven will return & tell us how he left us in a much better position than when he arrived.valleynick66 said:
How we know when we achieve this ?se9addick said:I look forward to us “becoming the UK's most cohesive, sustainable community-driven club”.
3 cheers for Charlie boy2 -
I like the side on view from above, and being close to the action at one end. I hate the view from behind the goals.killerandflash said:I've often wondered why people get season tickets in that part of the Upper West. I understand not wanting to be in a crowded area, but it's SO empty up there1 -
One of the few still there. Hmm. I guess we know where it's coming from.Airman Brown said:
The only access likely for home supporters to the JS Stand is via the Bartram Gate. I can’t see why you’d bother as very few Charlton fans will want to sit there for preference. Using the upper west would facilitate higher prices if they jacked them up in home areas too. The cost saving on small numbers won’t be that significant so there will be more to it.DOUCHER said:
Airman's gonna throw a spanner in the works, i can feel it coming but on the face of it, if workable, it could also allow us to give big away teams the jimmy seed and a bit of the west upper if we get into the championshipElfsborgAddick said:I think in the long term it could be a good idea to gradually get more Charlton fans behind the other goal, it would be easy with access.
The acoustics are much better there so hopefully could create a better atmosphere.
I would say for games where less than a thousand away supporters are expected using the West Upper could work out well. Not too difficult to police and supporters coaches park in the same place.
Plus we'd be able to charge them more being along the side.
People like to tinker because they can. Warrick was the guy who wanted to close stands when he turned up.0 -
Thought they were in the temporary West Stand ?cafc_se7 said:
Pompey had a couple of blocks in our anniversary game a few years back?ElfsborgAddick said:
Virtually impossible to implement.cafc_se7 said:I actually think the East Stand is the better place to have away fans but would mean the need for extra stewarding for segregation.
Edit sorry was thinking of our first game back at The Valley0 -
Be interesting to know what the clubs determination for a small allocation would be for away fans. Anything fewer than a thousand and that would probably include about 15+ teams in league one.0
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I see some of those to be moved next season will be the 16-20 year old group. Wonder were they would move those as one block.0
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I would never knock anyone having genuine attachment to their seat, I've had the same one in the Curbs since 1994.Markg2004 said:
Everyone will have their reasons and many won't agree on why and just accept people should move regardless.killerandflash said:I've often wondered why people get season tickets in that part of the Upper West. I understand not wanting to be in a crowded area, but it's SO empty up there
After years of match-by-match tickets I got my first season ticket in the West Upper with Grandparents. They didn't follow football much but wanted to spend time with me, it was where they wanted to sit whilst taking me, a youngster. I have then only had a season-ticket there even though they are not with us anymore. I have sat all around the ground but that is where we sat, and I still do. I follow the same football rituals we did when I was going match by match and with a season-ticket with them. I do them now with my oldest.
Sometimes people have reasons and it doesn't bother us that is is 'boring' or 'SO empty'. We do things we want to do for our own reasons.
For what it is worth, I probably will renew in the same seats I've always had in the West Upper. I will see what the club propose and see how it works if it works. I get the reasoning and want The Valley to hold a great atmosphere. I'm not against moving necessarily and appreciate they have reached out before renewing but you cant be sure of everything and just accept it.
Saying all of the above, this season we've had an increase in free tickets around us and those that attend under those incentives don't always care about the football. A few times we've had seat slamming all the way through and shouting for another team (not even the team we are playing) so it hasn't been as it used to be and affected the enjoyment of the match. This could be the kick needed to move, potentially.
And after I posted the above, I feel like @se9addick posted as well.
But of all the areas of the ground, it's a dull one, with hardly anyone there. Hence freebies being shoved up there.
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We don't sell out the other 3 stands as it is so why would we want to start moving people from already partially filled stands 🤷♂️.shine166 said:Makes sense if you put home fans in there, not to leave it empty though.5 -
I had a game of chess up there during one game.killerandflash said:I've often wondered why people get season tickets in that part of the Upper West. I understand not wanting to be in a crowded area, but it's SO empty up there2
