I've often wondered why people get season tickets in that part of the Upper West. I understand not wanting to be in a crowded area, but it's SO empty up there
Everyone will have their reasons and many won't agree on why and just accept people should move regardless.
After years of match-by-match tickets I got my first season ticket in the West Upper with Grandparents. They didn't follow football much but wanted to spend time with me, it was where they wanted to sit whilst taking me, a youngster. I have then only had a season-ticket there even though they are not with us anymore. I have sat all around the ground but that is where we sat, and I still do. I follow the same football rituals we did when I was going match by match and with a season-ticket with them. I do them now with my oldest.
Sometimes people have reasons and it doesn't bother us that is is 'boring' or 'SO empty'. We do things we want to do for our own reasons.
For what it is worth, I probably will renew in the same seats I've always had in the West Upper. I will see what the club propose and see how it works if it works. I get the reasoning and want The Valley to hold a great atmosphere. I'm not against moving necessarily and appreciate they have reached out before renewing but you cant be sure of everything and just accept it.
Saying all of the above, this season we've had an increase in free tickets around us and those that attend under those incentives don't always care about the football. A few times we've had seat slamming all the way through and shouting for another team (not even the team we are playing) so it hasn't been as it used to be and affected the enjoyment of the match. This could be the kick needed to move, potentially.
And after I posted the above, I feel like @se9addick posted as well.
I would never knock anyone having genuine attachment to their seat, I've had the same one in the Curbs since 1994.
But of all the areas of the ground, it's a dull one, with hardly anyone there. Hence freebies being shoved up there.
I’m certain a lot of freebies are shoved in the Curbs…
I've often wondered why people get season tickets in that part of the Upper West. I understand not wanting to be in a crowded area, but it's SO empty up there
I wonder what the capacity of this area of the upper west is
Lets say it’s 5/600 surely means that if they are looking at sticking 200 Rotherham fans there on a Tuesday night if we stay in this league then they could also put 5/600 Leicester fans there on top of the 3000 behind the goal if we got promoted
I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end. No wonder I kept getting beaten up.
I remember as a kid in the early 90s being in the back section of the Jimmy Seed and the away fans being in the front section? Am I imagining this?
First full season back I had a season ticket in the middle of the front row of the back half of the Jimmy Seed. The away fans had the front quarter nearest the West stand (and therefore the police box)
I always think you should look at this in the "what if it was me" view. If I was going to be stuffed up in a corner at an away game I wouldn't bother going.
I think the game atmosphere overall is going to suffer if you leave the Jimmy Seed empty. Having people opposite to shout at is much more fun 😆
I actually think the East Stand is the better place to have away fans but would mean the need for extra stewarding for segregation.
they will need extra stewarding for the south end of the West stand upper, as you can get to the north end and center line seats easily. I would guess they are doing this to force those of us there to the more expensive seats in the upper west.
There are surely no more than 100 S/T holders in The Upper West near the Jimmy Seed? I doubt even that tbh. There are hundreds of empty seats in The Upper West in the cheaper areas near the Upper North. Overall there can't usually be more than about 500 in the Upper West in total and it holds @3,000.
Not read the whole thread. But I think it’s a shame when away fans anywhere get shoved up in the gods. Trips to Newcastle and Sunderland are now far less enjoyable than they used to be. Away fans are important to football and should be better treated imo
Not read the whole thread. But I think it’s a shame when away fans anywhere get shoved up in the gods. Trips to Newcastle and Sunderland are now far less enjoyable than they used to be. Away fans are important to football and should be better treated imo
If it happens for a season or two fans will start to vote with their feet, and even though they are away fans it’s still income. Unless we are using the Jimmy Seed for our own fans then I’d say leave the away fans where they are.
Fuck the away fans, as I said before if long term it means better facilities in the JS and fans behind both goals then I'm all for it. I personally would give away fans the end 2 blocks Upper and Lower of the the West Stand, and if they aren't selling many, just the upper
Fuck the away fans, as I said before if long term it means better facilities in the JS and fans behind both goals then I'm all for it. I personally would give away fans the end 2 blocks Upper and Lower of the the West Stand, and if they aren't selling many, just the upper
West Lower wouldn't be possible at all due to the corporate boxes.
Think in an ideal world a new JS stand filling in both corners with away fans in what would one day be a South West corner would be ideal.
Fuck the away fans, as I said before if long term it means better facilities in the JS and fans behind both goals then I'm all for it. I personally would give away fans the end 2 blocks Upper and Lower of the the West Stand, and if they aren't selling many, just the upper
That would not work in the West Lower due to the toilet facilities there.
I have been supporting Charlton for over sixty years and I never knew that the JS stand was the home end. No wonder I kept getting beaten up.
When we returned to The Valley 5 Dec 1992 and onwards away fans were housed in the west stand but only hundreds. When the new stands were builted away fans were returned to the Jimmy Seed stand.
In principle it's not a bad idea in L1, lots of teams only bring a few hundred and hardly make any noise. Ultimately due to us being shit for so long the valley is too big for us to fill all 4 sides.
Logistically seems a bit of a nightmare to segragate the West stand though
Is the intention to stick away fans from smaller clubs in the west stand, so that the JS can be closed? Or so that we can put home fans in the JS?
If it's to totally close the JS then i think it's a bit shit. I'd rather see 200 Crawley fans in the away end than have a totally empty stand.
Yes
For a few games next season against clubs with smaller away support, we may close the Jimmy Seed Stand and temporarily place away fans in the south end of the West Stand Upper.
Tinpot cost saving exercise from the 'billionaires'
Fuck the away fans, as I said before if long term it means better facilities in the JS and fans behind both goals then I'm all for it. I personally would give away fans the end 2 blocks Upper and Lower of the the West Stand, and if they aren't selling many, just the upper
I'm not seeing any link here. Why might it mean better facilities in the JS?
Fuck the away fans, as I said before if long term it means better facilities in the JS and fans behind both goals then I'm all for it. I personally would give away fans the end 2 blocks Upper and Lower of the the West Stand, and if they aren't selling many, just the upper
I'm not seeing any link here. Why might it mean better facilities in the JS?
As I said earlier the longer term plan may well be to remodel the JS stand, it's the easiest of the 4 sides to rebuild and will have scope to add corporate boxes (something we severely lack compared to many modern stadiums)
If anyone here has ever been to the BayArena, I can see a similar structure to that being built at that end.
That looks very nice Sam, but I'm afraid it looks to me like it's more fantasy that reality. Some questions:
Why might the long term aim be to remodel the stand?
Who would build it, the club or the absentee owner?
Whatever the answer to Question 1, how would that work?
Why would they build it; what's in it for them?
If that was the aim, why wouldn't it be mentioned in this round of 'testing'? Surely such a carrot would make it easier to deal with any concerns from current West Stand season ticket holders.
Sorry to say, but it just looks to me as if the board want to cut a few pennies by closing a stand. There's no mention of 'development' in the club's message. I think that's for a very good reason. The two key words in that statement are 'sustainable' and 'efficient'; both are by-words for penny pinching.
So really why change it. Away fans deserve a decent seat behind their team. We should be hospitable because we welcome them to our club. And that should be behind a goal.
We change sides at half time.
It should be the covered end Vs the Jimmy Seed vocally. Us Vs our opposition and they should feel welcomed and enjoy the day as much as we do
We have had so much success with our opposition in the Jimmy Seed stand. How about updating it and improving their experience rather than shuffling them over to the side like some baseball team or NFL game?
I've spoken to someone senior at the club and they referred back to the statement on the club website.
They reiterated that by no means are they suggesting shutting the Jimmy Seed.
They are, the person said, just looking to consult and get opinions while being fair and transparent with two blocks of season ticket holders.
I pointed out the logistical problems around segregation, access to toilets and kiosks and that very few teams that would bring so few fans outside the Bristol St Motors Trophy.
Their response was that "We are only talking about 2 blocks at the Jimmy Seed stand end for maybe a few games to test the idea. No one is talking about closing stands or relocating the whole stand".
I've spoken to someone senior at the club and they referred back to the statement on the club website.
They reiterated that by no means are they suggesting shutting the Jimmy Seed.
They are, the person said, just looking to consult and get opinions while being fair and transparent with two blocks of season ticket holders.
I pointed out the logistical problems around segregation, access to toilets and kiosks and that very few teams that would bring so few fans outside the Bristol St Motors Trophy.
Their response was that "We are only talking about 2 blocks at the Jimmy Seed stand end for maybe a few games to test the idea. No one is talking about closing stands or relocating the whole stand".
Fuck the away fans, as I said before if long term it means better facilities in the JS and fans behind both goals then I'm all for it. I personally would give away fans the end 2 blocks Upper and Lower of the the West Stand, and if they aren't selling many, just the upper
I'm not seeing any link here. Why might it mean better facilities in the JS?
As I said earlier the longer term plan may well be to remodel the JS stand, it's the easiest of the 4 sides to rebuild and will have scope to add corporate boxes (something we severely lack compared to many modern stadiums)
If anyone here has ever been to the BayArena, I can see a similar structure to that being built at that end.
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Move everyone from East to Jimmy Seed, close East. Bigger stand = bigger savings.
Lets say it’s 5/600 surely means that if they are looking at sticking 200 Rotherham fans there on a Tuesday night if we stay in this league then they could also put 5/600 Leicester fans there on top of the 3000 behind the goal if we got promoted
I doubt even that tbh.
There are hundreds of empty seats in The Upper West in the cheaper areas near the Upper North.
Overall there can't usually be more than about 500 in the Upper West in total and it holds @3,000.
Think in an ideal world a new JS stand filling in both corners with away fans in what would one day be a South West corner would be ideal.
Logistically seems a bit of a nightmare to segragate the West stand though
If anyone here has ever been to the BayArena, I can see a similar structure to that being built at that end.
- Why might the long term aim be to remodel the stand?
- Who would build it, the club or the absentee owner?
- Whatever the answer to Question 1, how would that work?
- Why would they build it; what's in it for them?
- If that was the aim, why wouldn't it be mentioned in this round of 'testing'? Surely such a carrot would make it easier to deal with any concerns from current West Stand season ticket holders.
Sorry to say, but it just looks to me as if the board want to cut a few pennies by closing a stand. There's no mention of 'development' in the club's message. I think that's for a very good reason. The two key words in that statement are 'sustainable' and 'efficient'; both are by-words for penny pinching.They reiterated that by no means are they suggesting shutting the Jimmy Seed.
They are, the person said, just looking to consult and get opinions while being fair and transparent with two blocks of season ticket holders.
I pointed out the logistical problems around segregation, access to toilets and kiosks and that very few teams that would bring so few fans outside the Bristol St Motors Trophy.
Their response was that "We are only talking about 2 blocks at the Jimmy Seed stand end for maybe a few games to test the idea. No one is talking about closing stands or relocating the whole stand".
What do they need to learn we dont already know?