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  • @nthlondonaddick I'm just watching a discussion on BBC News channel, I think it will make your blood boil - some woman is saying there are only 3K of them in Calais so we should just let them all in. She could do with hearing your awful story.


    It's these fools that need to be stopped from speaking and actually face it sit in that car at midnight in the clip I posted with a child and then talk,

    Until you see it for your own eyes and by that I mean as a freight passenger, see what we face, see the damage see men who dont share a language but share an experience stand shoulder to shoulder in keeping each other as safe as you can

    People can quote from Google and newspapers and sound informed but my offer stands when stack clears I will personally pay and drive you to them at night and drop you off where you can offer your support face to face,

    But you won't come back with all your possessions or even your body without harm,

    But those probably would say what do you expect after what they have been through
  • iainment said:

    But you voted with your feet and became an economic migrant. To my mind then you've decided this is not the place for you.
    Worry about where you live and pay taxes.
    This might be the most stupid thing I've seen on this forum.

    You do realise you have also posted on topics that relate to countries other than the UK, right?
  • Thank you Jean

    It's driving me mad repeating in as many ways I can the real story that's happening,

    I have no reason to lie and no reason or political agenda to bang the drum of, this issue has cost me thousands this year in lost time, labour and work, and it's infuriating that our government is so slow to react,

    I have taken the decision to be the driver of every foray abroad that needs to be done on this route in and out of calais as I couldn't sleep knowing I sent someone into that, I offer to fly My other employee out to France and pick them up but my guys are loyal and true and won't let me go.that way alone,

    There's so many tales out there like this chap whom bared his soul to a stranger as I believe he is at wits end, I will do as much as I can to help him even if it's just to listen,

    I know of two long standing haulage firms one who ships cars the other high end possessions to well to do ex pats who since March have not been able to haul across Europe due to the insurance costs now associated with it, cars on the trailers being battered and stripped of anything sellable, the other who stupidly didn't lock the vehicle when he fell asleep in the jam, was pulled from the vehicle a Luton lowloader van and the clients items ransacked broken and stolen, his insurers won't cover his goods in transit across there unless he pays a ridiculous premium.

    They are both hauling beds, and other multiple drop items earning 40-50% less now than last year just to work and stay a float

    When you think that haulage has a huge cash flow need just to Stay on the road, it wouldn't take much to impact your viability to trade

    I am really annoyed and saddened that people would rather protest over a fox than a human suffering real pain

    And try to convince people that any criticism of these filth is xenophobia or racist, scare mongering or right wing,

    The real problem is that unless you travel freight you won't see it,

    Every day I wake up waiting for the sky news ticker tape to say a driver has been murdered there defending his property and worse still that the hotbed has been infiltrated by terrorists and something even worse has happened

    God bless Jean and thank you,
  • You and your associates have my sympathies NLA. It is the responsibility of democratically elected governments to keep their citizens safe and borders secure by appropriate means. It is my opinion that ours has been far too slow to act decisively in this, and that the French Government have also failed to provide proper protection for people going about their lawful business.
    Whilst the migrant issue itself is complex, the principle here of guarding and securing a tunnel is straightforward, as is protection for people en route. A heavy presence of security personnel is required on the ground to show determination that things will be conducted in the correct and lawful manner.
  • This might be the most stupid thing I've seen on this forum.

    You do realise you have also posted on topics that relate to countries other than the UK, right?

    He might have a point though Stu. Perhaps we should just worry about where we live and where we pay taxes.
    Tell the French it's their problem,
    stop the millions spent on foreign aid.
    That sort of thing.
  • According to the mail ( a paper I am more than aware can fabricate stories) this is happening.
    I see that Serco, are being used as the 'facilitator' of this.......
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3182519/Welcome-soft-touch-UK-Outrage-immigrants-illegally-entering-UK-free-hotel-rooms-cooked-meals-35-cash-week-days-arrival.html
    If this is true, and I say 'if', it simply will divide people, and have no sympathy for anyone that is an alleged Asylum seeker.
    Apparently according to the PM it is a 'European issue'...... you are right there matey.

    It is also a right to see that the UK regain some sort of control over this issue. Warm words and diplomatic noises are cheap.
    If the alleged compensation to the affected lorry drivers, as well as business's concerned happens!, how long will it take, and will it delay the Revenue from demanding it's money from the small business's concerned this October. I think we know the answer to that one!.
    We shall see if the so called 'operation stack' does not not return, and the motorways are unlocked, That the 'Asylum seeker's' are properly assessed, before the above does not happen. If I had come to the UK 'legally' I might well be asking why did I bother.
    I do notice that the army, or any government agency, let alone the UN have been airbrushed out of the discussion?

    Yes in the end it will need to be a political solution, perhaps one where we take some control, show some leadership, and stop expecting others in the EU and elsewhere to show any sympathy. It begins at our borders, and securing those borders.


  • He might have a point though Stu. Perhaps we should just worry about where we live and where we pay taxes.
    Tell the French it's their problem,
    stop the millions spent on foreign aid.
    That sort of thing.
    No job, no opinion, there's an idea I could get behind.
  • Just saw that video from NLA - what the freekin is going on out there!

    Got a text from my ex -wife a little while back to say that my 2 eldest kids are now safely back in the UK. Them all having travelled through Calais at the crack of sparrows this morning.

    It's a shit storm that needs sorting and violence looks like the way to go
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  • No job, no opinion, there's an idea I could get behind.
    No representation without taxation.
  • Don't know if this will do any good NLA, might get some exposure.

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  • I am in a hotel in Newcastle as I have the Webb Ellis trophy to collect tomorrow and take to a sponsorship event. We had been waiting for the set to be finished in construction and shipped to us up here, the guy who was meant to have bought it up to us from Maidstone has been stuck in calais for three days his boss has delivered it

    a set builder and small business owner has had to ask the guys out there to take the three days as time off as so far this year the problems there had cost him 120k in lost revenue and he just can't cover 3guys wages for 3 days any more he has done it 5 times since March and on One occasion his lorry was there 9 days as it had done it's 6 days legal movement and had to take two days not moving and another day to get back, the labour and hire allocated for the trade show in Belgium was three days so he had to find 3 guys wages for an additional 6 days over what he had budgeted

    The additional labour and vehicle hire plus lost contracts is killing this guy and I don't see anyone offering him help or researching how many other small British guys are going to lose it all dye to the actions or these filth and the total lack of action from the government

    It's not a Tory vs labour thing which is what will happen each will snipe and take advantage of the poor bstds out there struggling and pander to public opinion

    Yet last week people took to the streets because a fox might get killed in an inhumane way by a dog and people on horses

    People are campaigning for that dentist to be sent back for killing a lion

    People riot over capitalism and smash shops and generally cause havoc because it's trendy to do so in Surbiton or Kingston whilst daddy hides in his pent house office in the city selling futures



    he is meeting with his bank on weds to beg for help as his business is teetering on the edge of collapse, his set building contract at the milano expo 2015 was worth 45k profit enough to keep both drivers in wages for another year, in the end it cost him 20k in wasted time materials and proto type demonstrations, I really feel for him now there's a man in need of compassion and help and I will do all I can to help him stay afloat without killing my business but I think we can help eachother as we both can use eachothers products to achieve and grow

    15 yrs hard slog to build something that was turning a profit and becoming successful. Building a reputation and beginning to feel a success


    Save your pity and sympathy for people like the man I met tonight, whom I have paid his hotel bill for tonight because his card was declined and who is looking for a hand up not out, who has paid tax paid ni and worked since 16 and owned this business for 15 yrs abs will lose everything if it goes under, his house, his respect, his dignity he has 3 kids a small mortgage on a small home in Kent nothing extravagant,

    Or offer your sympathy to people you won't ever meet, who don't need it or would even respect or have gratitude for, who would steel and cut you as quick as looking at you, who mock and ridicule you and your country for allowing scum like them to take from people like the man I met tonight and that we will even offer them legal assistance to do so, but will happily allow one of our own to drop into poverty and no doubt ill health because they are stopping him earning

    Hope you're OK today, Darren.

    Just read this post to Richard & he visibly blanched ....

    His words were " Send this to Cameron".

    Take care.

  • Great posts NLA. Absolutely spot on.
  • limeygent said:

    Don't know if this will do any good NLA, might get some exposure.

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    I gave this to Chris this afternoon thanks for that, once he knows what the bank says he will look to start to Try and claim some compo
  • That's hilarious. I hope he drive them miles and miles away from Calais. It's a shame that we don't get to see their faces when they realise that they are still in France!

  • Poor little illegals, I've got nothing but sympathy for em
  • We have to be at Headcorn Aerodrome tomorrow morning by 10am for our son's tandem skydive for his 40th birthday.

    Anyone living around the Ashford area who could advise if the access roads/M20 are being affected now ?

    Thanks.
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  • All clear at the moment J.
  • Addickted said:

    All clear at the moment J.

    Thanks, Addickted.

  • NLA I have to say your posts on this thread have been really fantastic and full of real life commentary that we don't see or hear on the media and I applaud your sir for that.

    I have a personal worry as my Daughter and her family are currently in Portugal and will (in theory) be travelling back through Calais at the end of the month and I am extremely fearful as I have two little grand daughters aged 7 and 5. It's a long story but her husband will not fly and so they are driving back I have tried to talk to him about looking for another route but I have a feeling it all fell on deaf ears like it isn't happening. on the other hand when I dropped my daughter and the girls off at the airport on Sunday she promised me that if this was still as bad she would make sure they didn't go to Calais. I have always really liked my son in law but if anything happens to my girls as a result of his pigheadedness I'll bloody kill him. Sorry for venting but sometimes it helps.

    For me there solution is two tiered. First you have to deal with the immediate problem and that should be to remove these people away from Calais so the French and us have to agree to place troops in the area, clear the camp site and burn it so that they have nowhere to go back to. Secondly there has to be a secure detention (or if you are a bleeding heart) processing centre that is guarded where these people can be processed properly and where we can ascertain if they are genuine asylum seekers fleeing for their life or economic migrants/criminals who can be deported.

    We cannot let them in carte blanch as suggested we have no idea who they are, what are their motivations (are they IS for instance) and whether they are going to assimilate and earn their own way. We have an NHS in crisis, overstuffed schools and a lack of either affordable or social housing until we resolve those issues I say no more.
  • Yes let's do as the governed, the mail etc says and make the "poor little illegals" public enemy number 1. Travelling thousands of miles and risking death at the tunnel all for £90 pw. That way the true thieves the Tories and the banks can rob another one billion off us all in the latest share scandal. The little tinkers.
  • kentred2 said:

    Yes let's do as the governed, the mail etc says and make the "poor little illegals" public enemy number 1. Travelling thousands of miles and risking death at the tunnel all for £90 pw. That way the true thieves the Tories and the banks can rob another one billion off us all in the latest share scandal. The little tinkers.

    Completely separate issue.
  • Careful Dave the human rights activists on here will label you xenophobic
  • smiffyboy said:

    Careful Dave the human rights activists on here will label you xenophobic

    Oh they do have rights - being allowed into the UK isn't one of them though
  • kentred2 sorry mate you are conflating two different things. Nobody is happy about the RBS share sell off but having another 5000 mouths to feed ain't going to improve the situation is it now? And if they are so desperate why didn't they claim asylum at their first point of entry as per international law?

    I suggest you read NLA's posts and look at the video he posted and then figure out whether we want them here
  • Completely separate issue.
    Possibly. More like using them to divide and rule. Don't worry about the banks theft and establishment Paedos all of whom are innocent until
    Proven dead, turn your anger on immigrants and the unemployed etc. All linked.
  • edited August 2015
    kentred2 said:

    Yes let's do as the governed, the mail etc says and make the "poor little illegals" public enemy number 1. Travelling thousands of miles and risking death at the tunnel all for £90 pw. That way the true thieves the Tories and the banks can rob another one billion off us all in the latest share scandal. The little tinkers.

    Why do people argue/make points in this way, ridiculous.....You can protest about both......
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