Could no longer be afforded to run as a care home but now being done up to house 16-17 year old asylum seekers. It has all the makings for a lovely enviroment. So they have 8 weeks in the home and then what? Do they just disappear? It's funny how the council tried sneaking this through the back door as they knew they'd be a backlash. I fear for the future of kent with so many illegals trying to get here.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather welcome young people who've fled ISIS than allow back the British youths who've gone to join them.
Or how about it was kept open in the first place to look after our elderly that fought in wars for this country instead of forcing them to move. It was disgusting at the time it closed with dementia sufferers shipped off like some used cargo with the reasoning it would cost too much to renovate the building. So what are they doing now? Spending that same money so they can stick asylum seekers or economic immigrants or whatever bullshit names they want to come up in there, you really couldn't make it up. What about the homeless and vulnerable people that need help in our society? They couldn't see fit to turn the building into accommodation for them. Nothing like helping our own is there.
I must be the only lifer over the years who has ever paid for a job 'cash' with no paperwork. So I hold my hands up to making it easy for incomers to work unofficially. mind you I have never been in a position since my paper round days where I was paid cash (tell a lie, when playing in a pub band). I imagine no other lifer has ever worked, or paid for work cash in hand, and so illegal workers can rightfully be regarded with horror because of their employment behaviour by everybody but me.
I must be the only lifer over the years who has ever paid for a job 'cash' with no paperwork. So I hold my hands up to making it easy for incomers to work unofficially. mind you I have never been in a position since my paper round days where I was paid cash (tell a lie, when playing in a pub band). I imagine no other lifer has ever worked, or paid for work cash in hand, and so illegal workers can rightfully be regarded with horror because of their employment behaviour by everybody but me.
The odd cash job, but not a whole yearly income Seth coz that ain't fair
Calais migrant crisis Impact on Kent council social services
629 - the number of unaccompanied children seeking asylum that require care from Kent county council 220 - the equivalent number in March 2014 £5.5m - funding shortfall according to the council Source: Kent county council
I must be the only lifer over the years who has ever paid for a job 'cash' with no paperwork. So I hold my hands up to making it easy for incomers to work unofficially. mind you I have never been in a position since my paper round days where I was paid cash (tell a lie, when playing in a pub band). I imagine no other lifer has ever worked, or paid for work cash in hand, and so illegal workers can rightfully be regarded with horror because of their employment behaviour by everybody but me.
The odd cash job, but not a whole yearly income Seth coz that ain't fair
I must be the only lifer over the years who has ever paid for a job 'cash' with no paperwork. So I hold my hands up to making it easy for incomers to work unofficially. mind you I have never been in a position since my paper round days where I was paid cash (tell a lie, when playing in a pub band). I imagine no other lifer has ever worked, or paid for work cash in hand, and so illegal workers can rightfully be regarded with horror because of their employment behaviour by everybody but me.
Could no longer be afforded to run as a care home but now being done up to house 16-17 year old asylum seekers. It has all the makings for a lovely enviroment. So they have 8 weeks in the home and then what? Do they just disappear? It's funny how the council tried sneaking this through the back door as they knew they'd be a backlash. I fear for the future of kent with so many illegals trying to get here.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather welcome young people who've fled ISIS than allow back the British youths who've gone to join them.
But you can keep both groups out. You don't have to choose one and it appears most arnt people who've fled Isis.
I knew I would get flack but the lack of empathy with fellow humans is breathtaking. The criminals and scroungers wanting to breach our walls have in the vast majority of cases walked from war torn Africa and Middle East. How desperate must they be to even consider such a journey with no money food or idea of outcome. If that alone doesn't attract some sympathy with their plight then I'm saddened.
Previously on this thread when Kentred waffled on about us having an obligation to take these refugees in I made him/her an offer that I would drive some of the refugees round to him/her so he/she could take them in. Surprisingly I never heard anymore.
So I'll make the same offer to you. Give us your address and I'll drop some of these poor people round to you for you to look after. Doesn't matter if you haven't got a spare room, I'm sure they'll be happy to sleep on your sofa.
Or am I right in assuming you don't actually want to do it yourself but are quite happy for other taxpayers to pick up the bill?
I think I know why you issue these challenges. In a way you have understandably individualised and particularised the issue because it is all we have left when trying to proceed as a community is so rudderless and random.
There are loads of things in life we have to group together to try to deal with, and it seems to me the issue is not about SHG's or Kentreds apparent waffling empathy, they are entitled to feel that way, it is about how collectively all of us involved are failing here.
NLA as an individual has his lighter and WD40, and I fully understand that, and also respect what he has written about it actually being a fearful situation, and as a decent working guy, this is like something we used to see on the telly far away piling into the cab of his van. Appalling situation for NLA and others to experience, and more importantly to experience effectively alone, so folk are driven to drastic individual responses.
So we have NLA alone to endure it, you would also have Kentred and SHG alone to take in people and deal with it for the cheek (?) of expressing empathy. If ever there was a situation where folk should act together it is this one, but we are fragmented because the leadership on this is non existent, or in the hands of politicians who are caught in the headlights.
Having a go at NLA for feeling like taking extreme measures, or having a go at SHG for feeling empathetic is not going to solve things.
I don't pretend to have an easy solution, and it is in this kind of situation that we are supposed to have decent leaders in authority to plan how to sort it out. A Cobra meeting has happened, and fences planned and so on, I am doubtful, but maybe that will solve everything.
The wider debate (and I don't mean on here) is in danger of becoming hysterical and toxic, and the shocking thing is it is not difficult to see why, but hysteria and toxicity are useless when a cool and quick response it what is really needed.
Firstly the physical problems need to be sorted, and people and places made safe and secure, but that also needs to be matched by some kind of plan to deal with all those people who have pitched up, and that plan needs to be credible.
The costs right now are negligible when measures against the costs that Turkey has had to meet with their two million refugees, but for Turkey it is recognised as an international crisis and all kinds of agencies are involved.
The Calais thing is so localised and small in comparison that the rest of the world is leaving it up to Britain and France to sort out, so far they have not been doing it, which brings us back to, if not the authorities, then we as individuals have to take it on, and it will fragment us even more.
NLA absolutely deserves to go about his business in an ordinary and decent way. SHG and others deserve to also mention that maybe not everybody is scum, and perhaps to be driven to the point of (for instance) stowing away in the axle space of a lorry is an act of desperation for whatever reason. It may be equivocation or squaring a circle, but both the kind of response of NLA and the kind of response of SHG seem to be valid.
There has recently been an election, and it is time for the leaders to lead.
Oh yes, leadership, and just watch the outcry and the protests on the streets from the Labour left and the Greens the moment Cameron tries to impose strict quotas on migration and tries to take the sugar off the table by cutting the benefits. It's a bit hard to show leadership when the vocal left are so opposed to anything that is perceived as being tough or harsh, or contravening peoples human rights. Never mind NLA's human rights in trying to provide for his family and going about his daily life without being threatened.
The election has happened and the present government won. Cameron has a mandate whatever the vocal left say doesn't he, he is the bloke in charge right now? If you read my post I express every sympathy towards NLA on this matter don't I?
Yes Cameron has a mandate. But the horse bolted many years ago under Blair and Cameron has been left to pick up the pieces. It is now an impossible job, that cannot be solved. It is sadly something that I predicted when I decided to move my family to Australia in 2003. When it takes over a week to see a GP or six months to see a specialist, or when the queues at the post office are backing up down the street, then you know the system is buckling under the strain. Yes you did express sympathy towards NLA. I was simply making the point that the people of the UK also have rights, but those rights are often ignored by the left who would happily open the borders to anyone who would like make a new life in the UK, no matter how much that impacts the lives of the people already there.
So basically it's nothing to do with you. You don't live here and from what you've said you don't sound as if you have any intention to return,
Would you say the same to Johnnie Foreigner, living in the UK with concerns about their homeland?
I knew I would get flack but the lack of empathy with fellow humans is breathtaking. The criminals and scroungers wanting to breach our walls have in the vast majority of cases walked from war torn Africa and Middle East. How desperate must they be to even consider such a journey with no money food or idea of outcome. If that alone doesn't attract some sympathy with their plight then I'm saddened.
Previously on this thread when Kentred waffled on about us having an obligation to take these refugees in I made him/her an offer that I would drive some of the refugees round to him/her so he/she could take them in. Surprisingly I never heard anymore.
So I'll make the same offer to you. Give us your address and I'll drop some of these poor people round to you for you to look after. Doesn't matter if you haven't got a spare room, I'm sure they'll be happy to sleep on your sofa.
Or am I right in assuming you don't actually want to do it yourself but are quite happy for other taxpayers to pick up the bill?
I think I know why you issue these challenges. In a way you have understandably individualised and particularised the issue because it is all we have left when trying to proceed as a community is so rudderless and random.
There are loads of things in life we have to group together to try to deal with, and it seems to me the issue is not about SHG's or Kentreds apparent waffling empathy, they are entitled to feel that way, it is about how collectively all of us involved are failing here.
NLA as an individual has his lighter and WD40, and I fully understand that, and also respect what he has written about it actually being a fearful situation, and as a decent working guy, this is like something we used to see on the telly far away piling into the cab of his van. Appalling situation for NLA and others to experience, and more importantly to experience effectively alone, so folk are driven to drastic individual responses.
So we have NLA alone to endure it, you would also have Kentred and SHG alone to take in people and deal with it for the cheek (?) of expressing empathy. If ever there was a situation where folk should act together it is this one, but we are fragmented because the leadership on this is non existent, or in the hands of politicians who are caught in the headlights.
Having a go at NLA for feeling like taking extreme measures, or having a go at SHG for feeling empathetic is not going to solve things.
I don't pretend to have an easy solution, and it is in this kind of situation that we are supposed to have decent leaders in authority to plan how to sort it out. A Cobra meeting has happened, and fences planned and so on, I am doubtful, but maybe that will solve everything.
The wider debate (and I don't mean on here) is in danger of becoming hysterical and toxic, and the shocking thing is it is not difficult to see why, but hysteria and toxicity are useless when a cool and quick response it what is really needed.
Firstly the physical problems need to be sorted, and people and places made safe and secure, but that also needs to be matched by some kind of plan to deal with all those people who have pitched up, and that plan needs to be credible.
The costs right now are negligible when measures against the costs that Turkey has had to meet with their two million refugees, but for Turkey it is recognised as an international crisis and all kinds of agencies are involved.
The Calais thing is so localised and small in comparison that the rest of the world is leaving it up to Britain and France to sort out, so far they have not been doing it, which brings us back to, if not the authorities, then we as individuals have to take it on, and it will fragment us even more.
NLA absolutely deserves to go about his business in an ordinary and decent way. SHG and others deserve to also mention that maybe not everybody is scum, and perhaps to be driven to the point of (for instance) stowing away in the axle space of a lorry is an act of desperation for whatever reason. It may be equivocation or squaring a circle, but both the kind of response of NLA and the kind of response of SHG seem to be valid.
There has recently been an election, and it is time for the leaders to lead.
Oh yes, leadership, and just watch the outcry and the protests on the streets from the Labour left and the Greens the moment Cameron tries to impose strict quotas on migration and tries to take the sugar off the table by cutting the benefits. It's a bit hard to show leadership when the vocal left are so opposed to anything that is perceived as being tough or harsh, or contravening peoples human rights. Never mind NLA's human rights in trying to provide for his family and going about his daily life without being threatened.
The election has happened and the present government won. Cameron has a mandate whatever the vocal left say doesn't he, he is the bloke in charge right now? If you read my post I express every sympathy towards NLA on this matter don't I?
Yes Cameron has a mandate. But the horse bolted many years ago under Blair and Cameron has been left to pick up the pieces. It is now an impossible job, that cannot be solved. It is sadly something that I predicted when I decided to move my family to Australia in 2003. When it takes over a week to see a GP or six months to see a specialist, or when the queues at the post office are backing up down the street, then you know the system is buckling under the strain. Yes you did express sympathy towards NLA. I was simply making the point that the people of the UK also have rights, but those rights are often ignored by the left who would happily open the borders to anyone who would like make a new life in the UK, no matter how much that impacts the lives of the people already there.
So basically it's nothing to do with you. You don't live here and from what you've said you don't sound as if you have any intention to return,
Would you say the same to Johnnie Foreigner, living in the UK with concerns about their homeland?
Yes.
So, moving away means your opinion is no longer valid?
Apparently, 'we' may have to put up with this 'all summer' , what is the matter Cameron and all you politician's, try showing some leadership, and get the roads free, let alone trying to resolve the wider issue of this situation. Still you claim it is 'unacceptable' you are right on that, your leadership, is on this matter certainly has been so far, 'dithering' and expecting the French to sort this issue out will not resolve the issue. Whatever the issues in Calais, what are you going to do about the situation this side of the channel, you know the one that you are PM of. We have heard the 'talk, what about the walk' politicians eh!.
There must be something I am missing about this situation because it makes absolutely no sense to me to extend Operation Stuck by using parts of Ebbsfleet. That is trying to solve a relatively simple problem ( making traffic flow through a tunnel) by creating another much bigger one ( where can we create more of a backlog?) Rather than David Cameron having a nice break without too much disruption, his time might be better spent as the Prime Minister of this country taking a look first hand at the ridiculous situation going on in Kent and dealing with it immediately and effectively. It reminds me of the riots a few years back, it took a while for the Govt to wake up to what was going on in ordinary people's lives as a result of disorder. The Prime Minister seems equally out of touch on this issue too. Dealing with the whole migrant issue is a separate matter in my opinion to the immediate problem in Kent which is one of blocked traffic flow caused by a security breach at one of our borders. Displaced people and/or criminal elements should not be being allowed to disrupt the running of our infrastructure and our citizens' daily lives whatever the rights and wrongs of their cause. It is that simple.
Unless I'm mistaken there are two issues here. The migrants wanting to come to the UK and making a nuisance of themselves in France and the industrial action in Calais.
I was under the impression that it was the strikers that were causing the traffic disruption. Is that not the case?
There have been camps in Calais for years they haven't changed significantly recently have they?
The migrant situation is causing most of the problems as the tunnel takes far more freight than the ferries. There are far more migrants in Calais now and they are becoming more organised in their attempts to get into the tunnel.
Yeah they have fled isis now I know that's there's a lot of bollox being spoke
You've shown us that some of them are bad people, and none of us want them here.
But some of the thousands at Calais are Syrians, who've fled for their lives -- wouldn't we, faced with raping, beheading, crucifying psychopaths on the rampage? -- and I, for one, have a lot of sympathy for them. There are almost certainly people there who could make a valuable contribution to our country -- doctors, engineers and the like.
Sorry accidentally 'liked' this.
I would have sympathy for them if they applied for asylum in the first safe country, but no, they have to travel across Europe to come here. If I were in their position, I would be very happy to live in the first safe country I came to.
If I was fleeing a civil war in Kent, I would be happy to live in the first safe country I came to. However, if I believed that France were turning away 95% of Kentish refugees/applicants and sending them back to the violent mob, I would probably pass through. If I believed that Hungary allowed migrants to go about their business, work and provide for their families without needing to depend on the state, I would probably go there. Maybe that would make me a "cockroach", I don't know. I'm a westerner who has never lived through an existential war like that, so I couldn't say how I'd react.
That word cockroach. I would recommend that everyone read the Wiki page on RTLMC (searching for the acronym will get you there). It's short.
On the topic of Hungary. They are so overcome by Syrian refugees that they are building a high fence across the border with Serbia so they can't get in. 'Experts' predict that the result would be refugee camps dwarfing anything in Calais along Serbia's border. Should Syrian refugees treat Serbia - a country/nation that has waged 2 (two) genocidal wars against Muslims in the last 20 years - as a "safe haven"?
Italy and Greece have had over 200,000 asylum applications this year. The EU has tried to get other member states to take 40,000 of these. So far, it's reached 32,000 at most, leaving Greece and Italy with the burden, and Hungary trying to avoid it.
Bear in mind also that Syria is not the only crisis
I would have to ask my flatmate if some could move in with us, but I'd happily donate to a charity that spends more than 65% of its income on feeding, clothing, housing refugees and helping them get on their feet
I knew I would get flack but the lack of empathy with fellow humans is breathtaking. The criminals and scroungers wanting to breach our walls have in the vast majority of cases walked from war torn Africa and Middle East. How desperate must they be to even consider such a journey with no money food or idea of outcome. If that alone doesn't attract some sympathy with their plight then I'm saddened.
Previously on this thread when Kentred waffled on about us having an obligation to take these refugees in I made him/her an offer that I would drive some of the refugees round to him/her so he/she could take them in. Surprisingly I never heard anymore.
So I'll make the same offer to you. Give us your address and I'll drop some of these poor people round to you for you to look after. Doesn't matter if you haven't got a spare room, I'm sure they'll be happy to sleep on your sofa.
Or am I right in assuming you don't actually want to do it yourself but are quite happy for other taxpayers to pick up the bill?
I think I know why you issue these challenges. In a way you have understandably individualised and particularised the issue because it is all we have left when trying to proceed as a community is so rudderless and random.
There are loads of things in life we have to group together to try to deal with, and it seems to me the issue is not about SHG's or Kentreds apparent waffling empathy, they are entitled to feel that way, it is about how collectively all of us involved are failing here.
NLA as an individual has his lighter and WD40, and I fully understand that, and also respect what he has written about it actually being a fearful situation, and as a decent working guy, this is like something we used to see on the telly far away piling into the cab of his van. Appalling situation for NLA and others to experience, and more importantly to experience effectively alone, so folk are driven to drastic individual responses.
So we have NLA alone to endure it, you would also have Kentred and SHG alone to take in people and deal with it for the cheek (?) of expressing empathy. If ever there was a situation where folk should act together it is this one, but we are fragmented because the leadership on this is non existent, or in the hands of politicians who are caught in the headlights.
Having a go at NLA for feeling like taking extreme measures, or having a go at SHG for feeling empathetic is not going to solve things.
I don't pretend to have an easy solution, and it is in this kind of situation that we are supposed to have decent leaders in authority to plan how to sort it out. A Cobra meeting has happened, and fences planned and so on, I am doubtful, but maybe that will solve everything.
The wider debate (and I don't mean on here) is in danger of becoming hysterical and toxic, and the shocking thing is it is not difficult to see why, but hysteria and toxicity are useless when a cool and quick response it what is really needed.
Firstly the physical problems need to be sorted, and people and places made safe and secure, but that also needs to be matched by some kind of plan to deal with all those people who have pitched up, and that plan needs to be credible.
The costs right now are negligible when measures against the costs that Turkey has had to meet with their two million refugees, but for Turkey it is recognised as an international crisis and all kinds of agencies are involved.
The Calais thing is so localised and small in comparison that the rest of the world is leaving it up to Britain and France to sort out, so far they have not been doing it, which brings us back to, if not the authorities, then we as individuals have to take it on, and it will fragment us even more.
NLA absolutely deserves to go about his business in an ordinary and decent way. SHG and others deserve to also mention that maybe not everybody is scum, and perhaps to be driven to the point of (for instance) stowing away in the axle space of a lorry is an act of desperation for whatever reason. It may be equivocation or squaring a circle, but both the kind of response of NLA and the kind of response of SHG seem to be valid.
There has recently been an election, and it is time for the leaders to lead.
Oh yes, leadership, and just watch the outcry and the protests on the streets from the Labour left and the Greens the moment Cameron tries to impose strict quotas on migration and tries to take the sugar off the table by cutting the benefits. It's a bit hard to show leadership when the vocal left are so opposed to anything that is perceived as being tough or harsh, or contravening peoples human rights. Never mind NLA's human rights in trying to provide for his family and going about his daily life without being threatened.
The election has happened and the present government won. Cameron has a mandate whatever the vocal left say doesn't he, he is the bloke in charge right now? If you read my post I express every sympathy towards NLA on this matter don't I?
Yes Cameron has a mandate. But the horse bolted many years ago under Blair and Cameron has been left to pick up the pieces. It is now an impossible job, that cannot be solved. It is sadly something that I predicted when I decided to move my family to Australia in 2003. When it takes over a week to see a GP or six months to see a specialist, or when the queues at the post office are backing up down the street, then you know the system is buckling under the strain. Yes you did express sympathy towards NLA. I was simply making the point that the people of the UK also have rights, but those rights are often ignored by the left who would happily open the borders to anyone who would like make a new life in the UK, no matter how much that impacts the lives of the people already there.
So basically it's nothing to do with you. You don't live here and from what you've said you don't sound as if you have any intention to return,
Yes it does, I spent the first 40 years of my life there and I'm still a British Citizen. My family still lives there and I spend two months a year there. I care very much for my homeland and despair at what is happening there.
Unless I'm mistaken there are two issues here. The migrants wanting to come to the UK and making a nuisance of themselves in France and the industrial action in Calais.
I was under the impression that it was the strikers that were causing the traffic disruption. Is that not the case?
There have been camps in Calais for years they haven't changed significantly recently have they?
the strike action by the french is sporadic and only last 48-72 hrs before they seemingly get bored and go back to work , and although that will create more than that timeline whatever it may be to clear the vast numbers of vehicles from this side and the french side now this will cause a huge back log of vehicles and on the uk side a 48 hr strike will cycle through by 72 hrs and be roughly back to normal
, now the french road network especially the tolls is haulier friendly no charges in car parks at service stations and parking areas with basic facilities for washing and having the natural requirements taken care of without the need of a bush or bucket , to deal with any delays however if you are unfortunate enough to be in the first say 12 hr delay, you sit on a road that snakes for probably 4 miles 4 lanes in some parts and two in others , you cant get off you cant find facilities at night without walking through these scum and there is no protection for you other than what you bring to the table yourself, now you must bear in mind that this happens to be the road within the close proximity of the port in fact it only goes to the port or train terminal call it what you may, you can see border control you can see the police but they do not ever ride a motorbike or walk down this road as they are scared of what will happen to them, so its a pretty scary place especially at night ,
over the last 5 months there has been widely reported incidents of immigrants over loading boats from nth africa to Italy and then they are ever collected by Italian defences and security even a british warship is there , But and this is the point you must remember for every boat you see the good old italians saving and stopping there are 2 or 3 that get in , why do the Italians allow this, its because there are 1000 plus people per boat and if they stop them all they dont turn it around they have to by law process the people like luggage and they become italy's problem , yes i am sure the EU give them a few quid but they dont want them so they let them in knowing that they will in some very small numbers stay in Italy but the vast majority will head to france and the tunnel, so in the last 5 months i have watched these numbers swell in the camp by the ferry and the vast open fields by the train atleast by double in number imo its at least 3 x bigger now than feb , and feb was the first time i thought i dont like this very much and is it worthwhile to my business to do these trips , what alternative routes are there and whats the profit margin look like going that way, now any work in holland and belgium the harwich to hook route works , but france , italy, switzerland forget it not worth it at all , So do i lose a contact that so far has paid me over 70k of which 30% is profit or do i risk the journey, the damage the delays and my safety
this is 2015 this is not a wartorn part of the world , this is an area closer to me than newcastle , so forgive me when i say shoot them, have a deterrent not dogs of fences, get rid of them if you cant shift 5k in 12 months it will be 10k and with those numbers you have an army of cnts that life means fuck all too, carrying knives and i dont doubt have access to guns , look at the routes they can take to Italy and through Europe to reach Calais , id say several of those countries you can make contacts with sympathetic war lords who dont care how many AK47s you want you can have them ,
and all of these people are un identifiable no documents and no history in europe ,
and you want to help them , feel sorry for them, well crack on because i dont and if i go to wood green i can buy a gun myself and whos to say others arent thinking the same , could i pull the trigger and shoot someone no not a chance unless you are going to kill me or my family but its a thought that crosses your mind , how far do i have to go in a situation if i face it to preserve my life or my colleagues
I will tell you this and anyone who knows me on here will i would hope back me up, i will defend my life and my friends to the end
these people are scum and need removing not intrigating and accepting
It's my perception that a good proportion of those who would cheerily exterminate fox-hunting British toffs would equally cheerily welcome unlimited numbers of foreign people with no paperwork who wish to come here even though their unknown countries of origin appear to be fit to leave their women and children behind in.
What needs to happen is for Britain and France to co-operate, round em all up and start processing. Genuine asylum cases have to be dealt with in conjunction with the EU. Likewise criminal activity needs dealing with appropriately with punishment. And until a few (the media will ensure it doesn't have to be many) are publicly repatriated the problem will only get bigger and bigger. When it is seen that migration based on nothing more than "I want to come to your country so why shouldn't i, you can't stop me" will fail, less people will try. Sadly the same does apply to the Mediterranean boat people and the whole of EU has a responsibility to help Italy, Greece, Malta, et al with organisation processing and when appropriate, repatriation.
Meanwhile the people of Kent will need to burn a few tyres beside the rail lines at Euston and hire a few of people on the inappropriately named black market to storm the centre of a few Cotswold towns in order to bring Cameron back from his latest bout of chillaxation to actually do something. Because otherwise his words count for nowt.
scared of immigrants is a load of old bollox, i tell you what serious offer when the the jam is gone around 8-10 days i will pick you up from where ever you wish travel with you too them , and happily drop you off at night in the camp or the field your choice, i will park the same distance away as the french border controls and wait for you to come and get your lift back, if your worried dont be i will pack a body bag and bring the parts you leave there with these cnuts home so you can be re patriated with all your bits
straight up offer you want to help them i will take you and whoever else wants to go to meet them , but whilst i burn the first lots faces from my window with good old wd40 and a lighter you explain that your here to help
They were french citizens of North African decent and that's my point
I will give you a scenario, if I was this way inclined
And I wanted to import a certain drug into the country, I would use the total lax controls of driving a non livery van over via the tunnel drive to Italy where my nth African contacts would be making land regularly, the route in from Tunisia to Italy is one that is used a hell of a lot
Now if I could do that with drugs, I could do it with guns and people
Without giving a geography lesson mainly as clem snide will confirm, because I used to get slung out of it most days
Tunisia has a very easy Rte into certain terrorism full countries where buying automatic assault rifles is as easy as buying milk here
If you add in to that the amount of french speaking north African countries where these pepole have contacts on the ground the countries like France, Germany, Holland, belguim are easy targets for these people and will continue to be so until that route is tightened up Flag Quote · Like LOL
People of Nth African origin and Somalians are a huge % of these scum on that camp , and you only have to see what 1 fucked up individual done in Tunisa to mainly British Tourists to see that if you put 100 or more with the same thoughts into that camp then you really have to question why they are not forced away and removed, what a shit thing to have be proven right on but come on open your eyes
I think this comment from "Liz of London" says it all.
" I bet the survey was conducted by left wingers! I've never read such piffle in my life. I used to be left wing; over the last few years I have become more conservative - that doesn't mean my intelligence has dimmed, merely that I have grown up."
I am worried about the massive increase in our population when we don't have the infrastucture to cope with it.
Schools don't have enough places, there are insufficient houses, the pressure on the NHS is getting worse and worse, our roads (even without Op Stack) are getting busier and busier. We're a very small country and can't keep allowing our population to increase at the current rate.
You talk a lot of sense NLA and you are suffering first hand but you lose me when you go back to saying shoot people.
It just undermines the other things you are saying.
And it's not something to joke about either Imo.
On the issue of people not living in the UK not being allowed an opinion on the issue I disagree but I'll remind everyone that the foot was on the other boot during the election when righties used it as an excuse to shout down lefties based abroad.
migration is a world wide problem.
There are 3 to 10k migrants at Calais but 5m worldwide. Most have no plans or desire to come to the UK.
There is no one reason why people move. Every country/region has different issues and problems.
Many refugees would be happiest to stay in their own country if they could or if they were safe and able to thrive. Ask the Palastinians.
Others want to find a better life somewhere else be that Latin Americans trying to get into the US, Cubans on boats going to Florida or North Africans fleeing wars.
Mixed in with the people who just want to be safe there are criminals who feed off them or hide within the groups.
There is no excuse for their violence at Calais and those people should be arrested and not be allowed to jump the asylum waiting queue.(or not let in at all)
But Calais is not the whole world and the migrants are only part of the problem causing operation stack.
Unsurprisingly more people try to migrate in the summer but the strikes, vandalism and a train fire, none of which were down to migrants started the current round of tunnel closures.
Like most real problems in the real world there isn't a simple one line bar room answer. We can solve the migrant problem at Calais with the French in the short term but that won't stop the wars in Syria or Libya, migration to the US or to the UK.
A whole raft of actions are needed, some in the region's at war or with famine, some in mainland Europe and some in the UK.
Tougher UK penalties for employing illegal workers and paying cash in hand would be a start but won't be popular with many because those farms, factories and building sites aren't owned by sinister foreign gang masters but British people on the whole who are happy to save money on paying minimum wage, tax and NI to workers who can't complain.
But that is just one small element of a much bigger and very complicated problem that goes back decades and even centuries. There is no point blaming Cameron, Blair or brown or even the EU because the problem pre-dates all of them and is bigger than them.
I'm not saying "let them all in" before anyone claims that is my view but some of the views expressed on this thread labelling millions of people, most of whom are victims and nowhere near Calais, are as depressing as they are despicable and dehumanising.
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I imagine no other lifer has ever worked, or paid for work cash in hand, and so illegal workers can rightfully be regarded with horror because of their employment behaviour by everybody but me.
Impact on Kent council social services
629 - the number of unaccompanied children seeking asylum that require care from Kent county council
220 - the equivalent number in March 2014
£5.5m - funding shortfall according to the council
Source: Kent county council
Sorry about that buddy, I'll remember the lube next time
You don't have to choose one and it appears most arnt people who've fled Isis.
Whatever the issues in Calais, what are you going to do about the situation this side of the channel, you know the one that you are PM of.
We have heard the 'talk, what about the walk' politicians eh!.
Beginning to wish they'd never built the sodding tunnel
Rather than David Cameron having a nice break without too much disruption, his time might be better spent as the Prime Minister of this country taking a look first hand at the ridiculous situation going on in Kent and dealing with it immediately and effectively. It reminds me of the riots a few years back, it took a while for the Govt to wake up to what was going on in ordinary people's lives as a result of disorder.
The Prime Minister seems equally out of touch on this issue too.
Dealing with the whole migrant issue is a separate matter in my opinion to the immediate problem in Kent which is one of blocked traffic flow caused by a security breach at one of our borders.
Displaced people and/or criminal elements should not be being allowed to disrupt the running of our infrastructure and our citizens' daily lives whatever the rights and wrongs of their cause.
It is that simple.
I was under the impression that it was the strikers that were causing the traffic disruption. Is that not the case?
There have been camps in Calais for years they haven't changed significantly recently have they?
That word cockroach. I would recommend that everyone read the Wiki page on RTLMC (searching for the acronym will get you there). It's short.
On the topic of Hungary. They are so overcome by Syrian refugees that they are building a high fence across the border with Serbia so they can't get in. 'Experts' predict that the result would be refugee camps dwarfing anything in Calais along Serbia's border. Should Syrian refugees treat Serbia - a country/nation that has waged 2 (two) genocidal wars against Muslims in the last 20 years - as a "safe haven"?
Italy and Greece have had over 200,000 asylum applications this year. The EU has tried to get other member states to take 40,000 of these. So far, it's reached 32,000 at most, leaving Greece and Italy with the burden, and Hungary trying to avoid it.
Bear in mind also that Syria is not the only crisis
I would have to ask my flatmate if some could move in with us, but I'd happily donate to a charity that spends more than 65% of its income on feeding, clothing, housing refugees and helping them get on their feet
the strike action by the french is sporadic and only last 48-72 hrs before they seemingly get bored and go back to work , and although that will create more than that timeline whatever it may be to clear the vast numbers of vehicles from this side and the french side now this will cause a huge back log of vehicles and on the uk side a 48 hr strike will cycle through by 72 hrs and be roughly back to normal
, now the french road network especially the tolls is haulier friendly no charges in car parks at service stations and parking areas with basic facilities for washing and having the natural requirements taken care of without the need of a bush or bucket , to deal with any delays however if you are unfortunate enough to be in the first say 12 hr delay, you sit on a road that snakes for probably 4 miles 4 lanes in some parts and two in others , you cant get off you cant find facilities at night without walking through these scum and there is no protection for you other than what you bring to the table yourself, now you must bear in mind that this happens to be the road within the close proximity of the port in fact it only goes to the port or train terminal call it what you may, you can see border control you can see the police but they do not ever ride a motorbike or walk down this road as they are scared of what will happen to them, so its a pretty scary place especially at night ,
over the last 5 months there has been widely reported incidents of immigrants over loading boats from nth africa to Italy and then they are ever collected by Italian defences and security even a british warship is there , But and this is the point you must remember for every boat you see the good old italians saving and stopping there are 2 or 3 that get in , why do the Italians allow this, its because there are 1000 plus people per boat and if they stop them all they dont turn it around they have to by law process the people like luggage and they become italy's problem , yes i am sure the EU give them a few quid but they dont want them so they let them in knowing that they will in some very small numbers stay in Italy but the vast majority will head to france and the tunnel, so in the last 5 months i have watched these numbers swell in the camp by the ferry and the vast open fields by the train atleast by double in number imo its at least 3 x bigger now than feb , and feb was the first time i thought i dont like this very much and is it worthwhile to my business to do these trips , what alternative routes are there and whats the profit margin look like going that way, now any work in holland and belgium the harwich to hook route works , but france , italy, switzerland forget it not worth it at all , So do i lose a contact that so far has paid me over 70k of which 30% is profit or do i risk the journey, the damage the delays and my safety
this is 2015 this is not a wartorn part of the world , this is an area closer to me than newcastle , so forgive me when i say shoot them, have a deterrent not dogs of fences, get rid of them if you cant shift 5k in 12 months it will be 10k and with those numbers you have an army of cnts that life means fuck all too, carrying knives and i dont doubt have access to guns , look at the routes they can take to Italy and through Europe to reach Calais , id say several of those countries you can make contacts with sympathetic war lords who dont care how many AK47s you want you can have them ,
and all of these people are un identifiable no documents and no history in europe ,
and you want to help them , feel sorry for them, well crack on because i dont and if i go to wood green i can buy a gun myself and whos to say others arent thinking the same , could i pull the trigger and shoot someone no not a chance unless you are going to kill me or my family but its a thought that crosses your mind , how far do i have to go in a situation if i face it to preserve my life or my colleagues
I will tell you this and anyone who knows me on here will i would hope back me up, i will defend my life and my friends to the end
these people are scum and need removing not intrigating and accepting
Racist Zenophobic no Realistic and honest
What needs to happen is for Britain and France to co-operate, round em all up and start processing. Genuine asylum cases have to be dealt with in conjunction with the EU. Likewise criminal activity needs dealing with appropriately with punishment. And until a few (the media will ensure it doesn't have to be many) are publicly repatriated the problem will only get bigger and bigger. When it is seen that migration based on nothing more than "I want to come to your country so why shouldn't i, you can't stop me" will fail, less people will try. Sadly the same does apply to the Mediterranean boat people and the whole of EU has a responsibility to help Italy, Greece, Malta, et al with organisation processing and when appropriate, repatriation.
Meanwhile the people of Kent will need to burn a few tyres beside the rail lines at Euston and hire a few of people on the inappropriately named black market to storm the centre of a few Cotswold towns in order to bring Cameron back from his latest bout of chillaxation to actually do something. Because otherwise his words count for nowt.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html
Could this study from Daily Mail no less be true?
straight up offer you want to help them i will take you and whoever else wants to go to meet them , but whilst i burn the first lots faces from my window with good old wd40 and a lighter you explain that your here to help
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They were french citizens of North African decent and that's my point
I will give you a scenario, if I was this way inclined
And I wanted to import a certain drug into the country, I would use the total lax controls of driving a non livery van over via the tunnel drive to Italy where my nth African contacts would be making land regularly, the route in from Tunisia to Italy is one that is used a hell of a lot
Now if I could do that with drugs, I could do it with guns and people
Without giving a geography lesson mainly as clem snide will confirm, because I used to get slung out of it most days
Tunisia has a very easy Rte into certain terrorism full countries where buying automatic assault rifles is as easy as buying milk here
If you add in to that the amount of french speaking north African countries where these pepole have contacts on the ground the countries like France, Germany, Holland, belguim are easy targets for these people and will continue to be so until that route is tightened up
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People of Nth African origin and Somalians are a huge % of these scum on that camp , and you only have to see what 1 fucked up individual done in Tunisa to mainly British Tourists to see that if you put 100 or more with the same thoughts into that camp then you really have to question why they are not forced away and removed, what a shit thing to have be proven right on but come on open your eyes
" I bet the survey was conducted by left wingers! I've never read such piffle in my life. I used to be left wing; over the last few years I have become more conservative - that doesn't mean my intelligence has dimmed, merely that I have grown up."
Schools don't have enough places, there are insufficient houses, the pressure on the NHS is getting worse and worse, our roads (even without Op Stack) are getting busier and busier. We're a very small country and can't keep allowing our population to increase at the current rate.
It just undermines the other things you are saying.
And it's not something to joke about either Imo.
On the issue of people not living in the UK not being allowed an opinion on the issue I disagree but I'll remind everyone that the foot was on the other boot during the election when righties used it as an excuse to shout down lefties based abroad.
migration is a world wide problem.
There are 3 to 10k migrants at Calais but 5m worldwide. Most have no plans or desire to come to the UK.
There is no one reason why people move. Every country/region has different issues and problems.
Many refugees would be happiest to stay in their own country if they could or if they were safe and able to thrive. Ask the Palastinians.
Others want to find a better life somewhere else be that Latin Americans trying to get into the US, Cubans on boats going to Florida or North Africans fleeing wars.
Mixed in with the people who just want to be safe there are criminals who feed off them or hide within the groups.
There is no excuse for their violence at Calais and those people should be arrested and not be allowed to jump the asylum waiting queue.(or not let in at all)
But Calais is not the whole world and the migrants are only part of the problem causing operation stack.
Unsurprisingly more people try to migrate in the summer but the strikes, vandalism and a train fire, none of which were down to migrants started the current round of tunnel closures.
Like most real problems in the real world there isn't a simple one line bar room answer. We can solve the migrant problem at Calais with the French in the short term but that won't stop the wars in Syria or Libya, migration to the US or to the UK.
A whole raft of actions are needed, some in the region's at war or with famine, some in mainland Europe and some in the UK.
Tougher UK penalties for employing illegal workers and paying cash in hand would be a start but won't be popular with many because those farms, factories and building sites aren't owned by sinister foreign gang masters but British people on the whole who are happy to save money on paying minimum wage, tax and NI to workers who can't complain.
But that is just one small element of a much bigger and very complicated problem that goes back decades and even centuries. There is no point blaming Cameron, Blair or brown or even the EU because the problem pre-dates all of them and is bigger than them.
I'm not saying "let them all in" before anyone claims that is my view but some of the views expressed on this thread labelling millions of people, most of whom are victims and nowhere near Calais, are as depressing as they are despicable and dehumanising.