thats the one bit not be scared of, not knowing who they are what the really want and why they are here is of far greater concern and importance , How many countries currently in the world have no id documents and how many were honestly stolen or destroyed in a war zone , They get rid of documents so you dont know who they are , I can see something terrible happening and in the not so distant Future due to there being a breeding ground for hatred against the countries that dont just let them roll into its shores coupled alongside the ease of travel from Italy to france un opposed and the ease of crossing from Tunisa to Italy , its a bomb waiting to explode and in a tunnel under water with potentially thousands in it
Its not the 5,000 souls at Calais or the 10,000 others that might be on their way its the fact that LEGAL migration mean a net increase of 300,000 to England every year already. A city LARGER than Hull to be built every year--EVERY year.
On the news today two items which show the whole mess : 1) A "migrant" got here by buying a train ticket and coming through 3 countries in Europe. Stopped once in France told them he was on his way to England--they let him go !! how the f++k is that REAL asylum seeking ? and now he is here he wants ALL his relatives to join him.
2) A failed asylum seeker --sex offender has WON his expulsion case re his Human Rights to a "normal family life" despite his OWN wife saying he has already left her and his family !!!!!
only 1 in 4 of failed asylum seekers etc EVER get removed. This is the real reason they come here---not benefits--they know there is an ARMY of lawyers and groups who will fight and fight and fight for year after year in order that eventually we give up and let em in. If you think the above is incorrect take a walk down Deptford High Street and look at all the "solicitors" advertising "Immigration issues" blah blah.
hope the link works , now imagine this at night and you your kids and partner /wife husband are in the two cars , ignore the music tell me how would you feel and what would you do ,
They are nothing less than scum. No problem with people going about things in the right way to try to get asylum but this is wrong anybody that can't see it is a fool.
hope the link works , now imagine this at night and you your kids and partner /wife husband are in the two cars , ignore the music tell me how would you feel and what would you do ,
You talk a lot of sense NLA and you are suffering first hand but you lose me when you go back to saying shoot people.
It just undermines the other things you are saying.
And it's not something to joke about either Imo.
On the issue of people not living in the UK not being allowed an opinion on the issue I disagree but I'll remind everyone that the foot was on the other boot during the election when righties used it as an excuse to shout down lefties based abroad.
migration is a world wide problem.
There are 3 to 10k migrants at Calais but 5m worldwide. Most have no plans or desire to come to the UK.
There is no one reason why people move. Every country/region has different issues and problems.
Many refugees would be happiest to stay in their own country if they could or if they were safe and able to thrive. Ask the Palastinians.
Others want to find a better life somewhere else be that Latin Americans trying to get into the US, Cubans on boats going to Florida or North Africans fleeing wars.
Mixed in with the people who just want to be safe there are criminals who feed off them or hide within the groups.
There is no excuse for their violence at Calais and those people should be arrested and not be allowed to jump the asylum waiting queue.(or not let in at all)
But Calais is not the whole world and the migrants are only part of the problem causing operation stack.
Unsurprisingly more people try to migrate in the summer but the strikes, vandalism and a train fire, none of which were down to migrants started the current round of tunnel closures.
Like most real problems in the real world there isn't a simple one line bar room answer. We can solve the migrant problem at Calais with the French in the short term but that won't stop the wars in Syria or Libya, migration to the US or to the UK.
A whole raft of actions are needed, some in the region's at war or with famine, some in mainland Europe and some in the UK.
Tougher UK penalties for employing illegal workers and paying cash in hand would be a start but won't be popular with many because those farms, factories and building sites aren't owned by sinister foreign gang masters but British people on the whole who are happy to save money on paying minimum wage, tax and NI to workers who can't complain.
But that is just one small element of a much bigger and very complicated problem that goes back decades and even centuries. There is no point blaming Cameron, Blair or brown or even the EU because the problem pre-dates all of them and is bigger than them.
I'm not saying "let them all in" before anyone claims that is my view but some of the views expressed on this thread labelling millions of people, most of whom are victims and nowhere near Calais, are as depressing as they are despicable and dehumanising.
I'd say "some of whom are victims", rather than "most". Genuine asylum seekers should not be denied asylum, but they need to be verified first and apply through the correct channels. What is apparent from NLA's observations and from my own observations of viewing daily photographs direct from Christmas Island from a person who witnessed and photographed the daily boat arrivals, was that many, not all, were fit young body builder types, with the latest mobile phones, dressed in smart jeans. The women were well dressed and carrying designer bags. The Labour foreign minister Bob Car, who's party was responsible for opening the borders, later admitted that the majority were indeed "economic refugees" and were not fleeing persecution at all. Some were repatriated, others who have been held in detention centres, have now requested to be sent home. The offshore detention centres are emptying and being shutdown. To allow these people entry into the UK or Australia is to deny or delay the processing of the genuine refugees stuck in camps around the world with little hope of ever getting out. It took tough policy and resolve to fix the problem and the left side of politics hated it and still do. But their voices were completely silent when 1200 were drowning at sea and 5000 kids were held in detention under their beloved Labor Party.
I knew I would get flack but the lack of empathy with fellow humans is breathtaking. The criminals and scroungers wanting to breach our walls have in the vast majority of cases walked from war torn Africa and Middle East. How desperate must they be to even consider such a journey with no money food or idea of outcome. If that alone doesn't attract some sympathy with their plight then I'm saddened.
Previously on this thread when Kentred waffled on about us having an obligation to take these refugees in I made him/her an offer that I would drive some of the refugees round to him/her so he/she could take them in. Surprisingly I never heard anymore.
So I'll make the same offer to you. Give us your address and I'll drop some of these poor people round to you for you to look after. Doesn't matter if you haven't got a spare room, I'm sure they'll be happy to sleep on your sofa.
Or am I right in assuming you don't actually want to do it yourself but are quite happy for other taxpayers to pick up the bill?
I think I know why you issue these challenges. In a way you have understandably individualised and particularised the issue because it is all we have left when trying to proceed as a community is so rudderless and random.
There are loads of things in life we have to group together to try to deal with, and it seems to me the issue is not about SHG's or Kentreds apparent waffling empathy, they are entitled to feel that way, it is about how collectively all of us involved are failing here.
NLA as an individual has his lighter and WD40, and I fully understand that, and also respect what he has written about it actually being a fearful situation, and as a decent working guy, this is like something we used to see on the telly far away piling into the cab of his van. Appalling situation for NLA and others to experience, and more importantly to experience effectively alone, so folk are driven to drastic individual responses.
So we have NLA alone to endure it, you would also have Kentred and SHG alone to take in people and deal with it for the cheek (?) of expressing empathy. If ever there was a situation where folk should act together it is this one, but we are fragmented because the leadership on this is non existent, or in the hands of politicians who are caught in the headlights.
Having a go at NLA for feeling like taking extreme measures, or having a go at SHG for feeling empathetic is not going to solve things.
I don't pretend to have an easy solution, and it is in this kind of situation that we are supposed to have decent leaders in authority to plan how to sort it out. A Cobra meeting has happened, and fences planned and so on, I am doubtful, but maybe that will solve everything.
The wider debate (and I don't mean on here) is in danger of becoming hysterical and toxic, and the shocking thing is it is not difficult to see why, but hysteria and toxicity are useless when a cool and quick response it what is really needed.
Firstly the physical problems need to be sorted, and people and places made safe and secure, but that also needs to be matched by some kind of plan to deal with all those people who have pitched up, and that plan needs to be credible.
The costs right now are negligible when measures against the costs that Turkey has had to meet with their two million refugees, but for Turkey it is recognised as an international crisis and all kinds of agencies are involved.
The Calais thing is so localised and small in comparison that the rest of the world is leaving it up to Britain and France to sort out, so far they have not been doing it, which brings us back to, if not the authorities, then we as individuals have to take it on, and it will fragment us even more.
NLA absolutely deserves to go about his business in an ordinary and decent way. SHG and others deserve to also mention that maybe not everybody is scum, and perhaps to be driven to the point of (for instance) stowing away in the axle space of a lorry is an act of desperation for whatever reason. It may be equivocation or squaring a circle, but both the kind of response of NLA and the kind of response of SHG seem to be valid.
There has recently been an election, and it is time for the leaders to lead.
Oh yes, leadership, and just watch the outcry and the protests on the streets from the Labour left and the Greens the moment Cameron tries to impose strict quotas on migration and tries to take the sugar off the table by cutting the benefits. It's a bit hard to show leadership when the vocal left are so opposed to anything that is perceived as being tough or harsh, or contravening peoples human rights. Never mind NLA's human rights in trying to provide for his family and going about his daily life without being threatened.
The election has happened and the present government won. Cameron has a mandate whatever the vocal left say doesn't he, he is the bloke in charge right now? If you read my post I express every sympathy towards NLA on this matter don't I?
Yes Cameron has a mandate. But the horse bolted many years ago under Blair and Cameron has been left to pick up the pieces. It is now an impossible job, that cannot be solved. It is sadly something that I predicted when I decided to move my family to Australia in 2003. When it takes over a week to see a GP or six months to see a specialist, or when the queues at the post office are backing up down the street, then you know the system is buckling under the strain. Yes you did express sympathy towards NLA. I was simply making the point that the people of the UK also have rights, but those rights are often ignored by the left who would happily open the borders to anyone who would like make a new life in the UK, no matter how much that impacts the lives of the people already there.
So basically it's nothing to do with you. You don't live here and from what you've said you don't sound as if you have any intention to return,
Yes it does, I spent the first 40 years of my life there and I'm still a British Citizen. My family still lives there and I spend two months a year there. I care very much for my homeland and despair at what is happening there.
But you voted with your feet and became an economic migrant. To my mind then you've decided this is not the place for you. Worry about where you live and pay taxes.
I am worried about the massive increase in our population when we don't have the infrastucture to cope with it.
Schools don't have enough places, there are insufficient houses, the pressure on the NHS is getting worse and worse, our roads (even without Op Stack) are getting busier and busier. We're a very small country and can't keep allowing our population to increase at the current rate.
and water. Before long us and a lot of other countries, especially N Africa and the middle east will be short of water. Then you will see some mass migrations.
The threat of our armed forces taking potentially lethal and deadly action against people coming through to our country via these means is the only deterrent they will fear, it is not beyond comprehension nor reality that some of the people in those camps will have a direct link to firearms , and if that's the case what will the reaction be , one person with a gun in those areas is bad enough but we are talking a group of several thousand men and women, from parts of the world where we are the anti Christ the enemy of all enemies and as such must be terrorized, right now its knives stones and iron bars , but to act instead of react to a situation is what is needed, on the video you can clearly see at least 3 of these poor troubled needy refugees on mobile phones, others they are not in need of assistance they are in need of stopping and removing this opportunity to gain access to the uk and to not give kids and adults the fear that must have been in those in the cars , the lorries are high up you run the bstds over if need be , but those cars stand no chance and the police reaction to 200 scum was to drive up and down on 3 motorbikes before going to the aid of the cars and thats the first time i have seen old bill there , but the video is shot in day time and i would pressume thats why,
search on line find the videos of the drivers kicking the shit out of the immigrants but you know what thats not the answer , the answer is the armed forces deal with the threat in the manor required that they see fit at that time
I knew I would get flack but the lack of empathy with fellow humans is breathtaking. The criminals and scroungers wanting to breach our walls have in the vast majority of cases walked from war torn Africa and Middle East. How desperate must they be to even consider such a journey with no money food or idea of outcome. If that alone doesn't attract some sympathy with their plight then I'm saddened.
Previously on this thread when Kentred waffled on about us having an obligation to take these refugees in I made him/her an offer that I would drive some of the refugees round to him/her so he/she could take them in. Surprisingly I never heard anymore.
So I'll make the same offer to you. Give us your address and I'll drop some of these poor people round to you for you to look after. Doesn't matter if you haven't got a spare room, I'm sure they'll be happy to sleep on your sofa.
Or am I right in assuming you don't actually want to do it yourself but are quite happy for other taxpayers to pick up the bill?
I think I know why you issue these challenges. In a way you have understandably individualised and particularised the issue because it is all we have left when trying to proceed as a community is so rudderless and random.
There are loads of things in life we have to group together to try to deal with, and it seems to me the issue is not about SHG's or Kentreds apparent waffling empathy, they are entitled to feel that way, it is about how collectively all of us involved are failing here.
NLA as an individual has his lighter and WD40, and I fully understand that, and also respect what he has written about it actually being a fearful situation, and as a decent working guy, this is like something we used to see on the telly far away piling into the cab of his van. Appalling situation for NLA and others to experience, and more importantly to experience effectively alone, so folk are driven to drastic individual responses.
So we have NLA alone to endure it, you would also have Kentred and SHG alone to take in people and deal with it for the cheek (?) of expressing empathy. If ever there was a situation where folk should act together it is this one, but we are fragmented because the leadership on this is non existent, or in the hands of politicians who are caught in the headlights.
Having a go at NLA for feeling like taking extreme measures, or having a go at SHG for feeling empathetic is not going to solve things.
I don't pretend to have an easy solution, and it is in this kind of situation that we are supposed to have decent leaders in authority to plan how to sort it out. A Cobra meeting has happened, and fences planned and so on, I am doubtful, but maybe that will solve everything.
The wider debate (and I don't mean on here) is in danger of becoming hysterical and toxic, and the shocking thing is it is not difficult to see why, but hysteria and toxicity are useless when a cool and quick response it what is really needed.
Firstly the physical problems need to be sorted, and people and places made safe and secure, but that also needs to be matched by some kind of plan to deal with all those people who have pitched up, and that plan needs to be credible.
The costs right now are negligible when measures against the costs that Turkey has had to meet with their two million refugees, but for Turkey it is recognised as an international crisis and all kinds of agencies are involved.
The Calais thing is so localised and small in comparison that the rest of the world is leaving it up to Britain and France to sort out, so far they have not been doing it, which brings us back to, if not the authorities, then we as individuals have to take it on, and it will fragment us even more.
NLA absolutely deserves to go about his business in an ordinary and decent way. SHG and others deserve to also mention that maybe not everybody is scum, and perhaps to be driven to the point of (for instance) stowing away in the axle space of a lorry is an act of desperation for whatever reason. It may be equivocation or squaring a circle, but both the kind of response of NLA and the kind of response of SHG seem to be valid.
There has recently been an election, and it is time for the leaders to lead.
Oh yes, leadership, and just watch the outcry and the protests on the streets from the Labour left and the Greens the moment Cameron tries to impose strict quotas on migration and tries to take the sugar off the table by cutting the benefits. It's a bit hard to show leadership when the vocal left are so opposed to anything that is perceived as being tough or harsh, or contravening peoples human rights. Never mind NLA's human rights in trying to provide for his family and going about his daily life without being threatened.
Illegal immigrants cannot receive benefits. These people in France are entering illegally, not through proper channels. Cutting benefits would do nothing to deter them as they don't get them anyway.
This is simply wrong. Benefits are arranged for arrivals who claim to be under 18 - which is all of them up to the age of aboput 25 or 26 it seems. Maybe not housing or jobseekers, but benefits nonetheless. Arranging a foster parent costs between £450 and £800 per week. that is before all the rest of the support is given.
@SELR_addicks - how do asylum seekers over the age of 18 live? If they arrive with no money, someone has to foot the bill for their food and accommodation and I bet it is the tax payer.
What a ridiculous commentby Bridget Chapman from Folkestone United:
“We also question Eurotunnel’s security and health and safety. How can a young boy die on the top of one of their trucks?” Asked about people of Kent who have been affected by Operation Stack, she said: “I am sorry if people have been inconvenienced but it just that, an inconvenience."
Try telling that to all the people whose livelihoods are being affected by the problems. Many of them will be going out of business. To blame Eurotunnel for people dying is ridiculous - the migrants have chosen to put their safety at risk.
I knew I would get flack but the lack of empathy with fellow humans is breathtaking. The criminals and scroungers wanting to breach our walls have in the vast majority of cases walked from war torn Africa and Middle East. How desperate must they be to even consider such a journey with no money food or idea of outcome. If that alone doesn't attract some sympathy with their plight then I'm saddened.
Previously on this thread when Kentred waffled on about us having an obligation to take these refugees in I made him/her an offer that I would drive some of the refugees round to him/her so he/she could take them in. Surprisingly I never heard anymore.
So I'll make the same offer to you. Give us your address and I'll drop some of these poor people round to you for you to look after. Doesn't matter if you haven't got a spare room, I'm sure they'll be happy to sleep on your sofa.
Or am I right in assuming you don't actually want to do it yourself but are quite happy for other taxpayers to pick up the bill?
I think I know why you issue these challenges. In a way you have understandably individualised and particularised the issue because it is all we have left when trying to proceed as a community is so rudderless and random.
There are loads of things in life we have to group together to try to deal with, and it seems to me the issue is not about SHG's or Kentreds apparent waffling empathy, they are entitled to feel that way, it is about how collectively all of us involved are failing here.
NLA as an individual has his lighter and WD40, and I fully understand that, and also respect what he has written about it actually being a fearful situation, and as a decent working guy, this is like something we used to see on the telly far away piling into the cab of his van. Appalling situation for NLA and others to experience, and more importantly to experience effectively alone, so folk are driven to drastic individual responses.
So we have NLA alone to endure it, you would also have Kentred and SHG alone to take in people and deal with it for the cheek (?) of expressing empathy. If ever there was a situation where folk should act together it is this one, but we are fragmented because the leadership on this is non existent, or in the hands of politicians who are caught in the headlights.
Having a go at NLA for feeling like taking extreme measures, or having a go at SHG for feeling empathetic is not going to solve things.
I don't pretend to have an easy solution, and it is in this kind of situation that we are supposed to have decent leaders in authority to plan how to sort it out. A Cobra meeting has happened, and fences planned and so on, I am doubtful, but maybe that will solve everything.
The wider debate (and I don't mean on here) is in danger of becoming hysterical and toxic, and the shocking thing is it is not difficult to see why, but hysteria and toxicity are useless when a cool and quick response it what is really needed.
Firstly the physical problems need to be sorted, and people and places made safe and secure, but that also needs to be matched by some kind of plan to deal with all those people who have pitched up, and that plan needs to be credible.
The costs right now are negligible when measures against the costs that Turkey has had to meet with their two million refugees, but for Turkey it is recognised as an international crisis and all kinds of agencies are involved.
The Calais thing is so localised and small in comparison that the rest of the world is leaving it up to Britain and France to sort out, so far they have not been doing it, which brings us back to, if not the authorities, then we as individuals have to take it on, and it will fragment us even more.
NLA absolutely deserves to go about his business in an ordinary and decent way. SHG and others deserve to also mention that maybe not everybody is scum, and perhaps to be driven to the point of (for instance) stowing away in the axle space of a lorry is an act of desperation for whatever reason. It may be equivocation or squaring a circle, but both the kind of response of NLA and the kind of response of SHG seem to be valid.
There has recently been an election, and it is time for the leaders to lead.
Oh yes, leadership, and just watch the outcry and the protests on the streets from the Labour left and the Greens the moment Cameron tries to impose strict quotas on migration and tries to take the sugar off the table by cutting the benefits. It's a bit hard to show leadership when the vocal left are so opposed to anything that is perceived as being tough or harsh, or contravening peoples human rights. Never mind NLA's human rights in trying to provide for his family and going about his daily life without being threatened.
The election has happened and the present government won. Cameron has a mandate whatever the vocal left say doesn't he, he is the bloke in charge right now? If you read my post I express every sympathy towards NLA on this matter don't I?
Yes Cameron has a mandate. But the horse bolted many years ago under Blair and Cameron has been left to pick up the pieces. It is now an impossible job, that cannot be solved. It is sadly something that I predicted when I decided to move my family to Australia in 2003. When it takes over a week to see a GP or six months to see a specialist, or when the queues at the post office are backing up down the street, then you know the system is buckling under the strain. Yes you did express sympathy towards NLA. I was simply making the point that the people of the UK also have rights, but those rights are often ignored by the left who would happily open the borders to anyone who would like make a new life in the UK, no matter how much that impacts the lives of the people already there.
So basically it's nothing to do with you. You don't live here and from what you've said you don't sound as if you have any intention to return,
Yes it does, I spent the first 40 years of my life there and I'm still a British Citizen. My family still lives there and I spend two months a year there. I care very much for my homeland and despair at what is happening there.
But you voted with your feet and became an economic migrant. To my mind then you've decided this is not the place for you. Worry about where you live and pay taxes.
Wrong again. My move to Australia had nothing to do with money. The job prospects for me and my wife were, and still are, better in the UK. In fact my wife was working at the Chelsea & Westminster hospital until March, so you're wrong about not paying taxes in the UK as well.
@SELR_addicks - how do asylum seekers over the age of 18 live? If they arrive with no money, someone has to foot the bill for their food and accommodation and I bet it is the tax payer.
They work for below minimum wage usually in various places around the country.
Illegal immigrants can't just stroll up to a local council and demand housing, they'd be deported. Usually they're provided with poor quality private housing by the firms that hire them illegally.
There is a difference between an illegal immigrant and an asylum seeker. An asylum seeker wants to become a lawful citizen and I do not believe that they all work illegally , therefore the state must be funding them.
There is a difference between an illegal immigrant and an asylum seeker. An asylum seeker wants to become a lawful citizen and I do not believe that they all work illegally , therefore the state must be funding them.
These people trying to enter the country are illegal immigrants.
People that are asylum seekers apply before they come here/are brought here legally by official channels.
Some asylum seekers were interviewed on TV today and they certainly didn't apply for asylum before they came here. All those trying to get through the tunnel haven't applied for asylum before they arrived and as soon as they are caught they apply for asylum.
From the link I put on previously you can see that they do receive state funding.
Some asylum seekers were interviewed on TV today and they certainly didn't apply for asylum before they came here. All those trying to get through the tunnel haven't applied for asylum before they arrived and as soon as they are caught they apply for asylum.
From the link I put on previously you can see that they do receive state funding.
Once they become asylum seekers sure, but there's no guarantee they will and they receive no help until that point (outside of lawyers for their case). Which is why many people choose to stay illegal immigrants rather than apply and risk deportation if/when the application fails.
If people are working illegally for illegal employers they are preventing lawful citizens from earning a wage so are still a drain on the country. They pay no taxes and don't contribute to the economy.
I knew I would get flack but the lack of empathy with fellow humans is breathtaking. The criminals and scroungers wanting to breach our walls have in the vast majority of cases walked from war torn Africa and Middle East. How desperate must they be to even consider such a journey with no money food or idea of outcome. If that alone doesn't attract some sympathy with their plight then I'm saddened.
Previously on this thread when Kentred waffled on about us having an obligation to take these refugees in I made him/her an offer that I would drive some of the refugees round to him/her so he/she could take them in. Surprisingly I never heard anymore.
So I'll make the same offer to you. Give us your address and I'll drop some of these poor people round to you for you to look after. Doesn't matter if you haven't got a spare room, I'm sure they'll be happy to sleep on your sofa.
Or am I right in assuming you don't actually want to do it yourself but are quite happy for other taxpayers to pick up the bill?
I think I know why you issue these challenges. In a way you have understandably individualised and particularised the issue because it is all we have left when trying to proceed as a community is so rudderless and random.
There are loads of things in life we have to group together to try to deal with, and it seems to me the issue is not about SHG's or Kentreds apparent waffling empathy, they are entitled to feel that way, it is about how collectively all of us involved are failing here.
NLA as an individual has his lighter and WD40, and I fully understand that, and also respect what he has written about it actually being a fearful situation, and as a decent working guy, this is like something we used to see on the telly far away piling into the cab of his van. Appalling situation for NLA and others to experience, and more importantly to experience effectively alone, so folk are driven to drastic individual responses.
So we have NLA alone to endure it, you would also have Kentred and SHG alone to take in people and deal with it for the cheek (?) of expressing empathy. If ever there was a situation where folk should act together it is this one, but we are fragmented because the leadership on this is non existent, or in the hands of politicians who are caught in the headlights.
Having a go at NLA for feeling like taking extreme measures, or having a go at SHG for feeling empathetic is not going to solve things.
I don't pretend to have an easy solution, and it is in this kind of situation that we are supposed to have decent leaders in authority to plan how to sort it out. A Cobra meeting has happened, and fences planned and so on, I am doubtful, but maybe that will solve everything.
The wider debate (and I don't mean on here) is in danger of becoming hysterical and toxic, and the shocking thing is it is not difficult to see why, but hysteria and toxicity are useless when a cool and quick response it what is really needed.
Firstly the physical problems need to be sorted, and people and places made safe and secure, but that also needs to be matched by some kind of plan to deal with all those people who have pitched up, and that plan needs to be credible.
The costs right now are negligible when measures against the costs that Turkey has had to meet with their two million refugees, but for Turkey it is recognised as an international crisis and all kinds of agencies are involved.
The Calais thing is so localised and small in comparison that the rest of the world is leaving it up to Britain and France to sort out, so far they have not been doing it, which brings us back to, if not the authorities, then we as individuals have to take it on, and it will fragment us even more.
NLA absolutely deserves to go about his business in an ordinary and decent way. SHG and others deserve to also mention that maybe not everybody is scum, and perhaps to be driven to the point of (for instance) stowing away in the axle space of a lorry is an act of desperation for whatever reason. It may be equivocation or squaring a circle, but both the kind of response of NLA and the kind of response of SHG seem to be valid.
There has recently been an election, and it is time for the leaders to lead.
Oh yes, leadership, and just watch the outcry and the protests on the streets from the Labour left and the Greens the moment Cameron tries to impose strict quotas on migration and tries to take the sugar off the table by cutting the benefits. It's a bit hard to show leadership when the vocal left are so opposed to anything that is perceived as being tough or harsh, or contravening peoples human rights. Never mind NLA's human rights in trying to provide for his family and going about his daily life without being threatened.
The election has happened and the present government won. Cameron has a mandate whatever the vocal left say doesn't he, he is the bloke in charge right now? If you read my post I express every sympathy towards NLA on this matter don't I?
Yes Cameron has a mandate. But the horse bolted many years ago under Blair and Cameron has been left to pick up the pieces. It is now an impossible job, that cannot be solved. It is sadly something that I predicted when I decided to move my family to Australia in 2003. When it takes over a week to see a GP or six months to see a specialist, or when the queues at the post office are backing up down the street, then you know the system is buckling under the strain. Yes you did express sympathy towards NLA. I was simply making the point that the people of the UK also have rights, but those rights are often ignored by the left who would happily open the borders to anyone who would like make a new life in the UK, no matter how much that impacts the lives of the people already there.
So basically it's nothing to do with you. You don't live here and from what you've said you don't sound as if you have any intention to return,
Yes it does, I spent the first 40 years of my life there and I'm still a British Citizen. My family still lives there and I spend two months a year there. I care very much for my homeland and despair at what is happening there.
But you voted with your feet and became an economic migrant. To my mind then you've decided this is not the place for you. Worry about where you live and pay taxes.
What a fuckin stupid thing to say.
I trust all the paddys living in the UK don't and have never had any feelings regarding the troubles? Same as the Sri Lankan Tamils and so on. Bet you've got loadsa time for them and their plight though pal eh?
And for the record, I left the UK because of the shit hole the place I lived in became down to the dirty scummy Slovak gypos that were placed in my area by Kent County Council. It got to the point were it was them or me that had to go and yeah it was me, it weren't for the want of fighting em though! This is also the reason I'm stuck with the property now, with no one wanted to buy it, but that's alright coz I'm a working class "pay your taxes and don't say a word" white bloke,...
I am in a hotel in Newcastle as I have the Webb Ellis trophy to collect tomorrow and take to a sponsorship event. We had been waiting for the set to be finished in construction and shipped to us up here, the guy who was meant to have bought it up to us from Maidstone has been stuck in calais for three days his boss has delivered it
a set builder and small business owner has had to ask the guys out there to take the three days as time off as so far this year the problems there had cost him 120k in lost revenue and he just can't cover 3guys wages for 3 days any more he has done it 5 times since March and on One occasion his lorry was there 9 days as it had done it's 6 days legal movement and had to take two days not moving and another day to get back, the labour and hire allocated for the trade show in Belgium was three days so he had to find 3 guys wages for an additional 6 days over what he had budgeted
The additional labour and vehicle hire plus lost contracts is killing this guy and I don't see anyone offering him help or researching how many other small British guys are going to lose it all dye to the actions or these filth and the total lack of action from the government
It's not a Tory vs labour thing which is what will happen each will snipe and take advantage of the poor bstds out there struggling and pander to public opinion
Yet last week people took to the streets because a fox might get killed in an inhumane way by a dog and people on horses
People are campaigning for that dentist to be sent back for killing a lion
People riot over capitalism and smash shops and generally cause havoc because it's trendy to do so in Surbiton or Kingston whilst daddy hides in his pent house office in the city selling futures
he is meeting with his bank on weds to beg for help as his business is teetering on the edge of collapse, his set building contract at the milano expo 2015 was worth 45k profit enough to keep both drivers in wages for another year, in the end it cost him 20k in wasted time materials and proto type demonstrations, I really feel for him now there's a man in need of compassion and help and I will do all I can to help him stay afloat without killing my business but I think we can help eachother as we both can use eachothers products to achieve and grow
15 yrs hard slog to build something that was turning a profit and becoming successful. Building a reputation and beginning to feel a success
Save your pity and sympathy for people like the man I met tonight, whom I have paid his hotel bill for tonight because his card was declined and who is looking for a hand up not out, who has paid tax paid ni and worked since 16 and owned this business for 15 yrs abs will lose everything if it goes under, his house, his respect, his dignity he has 3 kids a small mortgage on a small home in Kent nothing extravagant,
Or offer your sympathy to people you won't ever meet, who don't need it or would even respect or have gratitude for, who would steel and cut you as quick as looking at you, who mock and ridicule you and your country for allowing scum like them to take from people like the man I met tonight and that we will even offer them legal assistance to do so, but will happily allow one of our own to drop into poverty and no doubt ill health because they are stopping him earning
I showed him this thread and cafc are his local team and he has a liking for but he ain't a footballing man so has only visited a few times, and he can't believe that people are debating how bad it must be for these cnts
@nthlondonaddick I'm just watching a discussion on BBC News channel, I think it will make your blood boil - some woman is saying there are only 3K of them in Calais so we should just let them all in. She could do with hearing your awful story.
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A city LARGER than Hull to be built every year--EVERY year.
On the news today two items which show the whole mess :
1) A "migrant" got here by buying a train ticket and coming through 3 countries in Europe. Stopped once in France told them he was on his way to England--they let him go !! how the f++k is that REAL asylum seeking ? and now he is here he wants ALL his relatives to join him.
2) A failed asylum seeker --sex offender has WON his expulsion case re his Human Rights to a "normal family life" despite his OWN wife saying he has already left her and his family !!!!!
only 1 in 4 of failed asylum seekers etc EVER get removed. This is the real reason they come here---not benefits--they know there is an ARMY of lawyers and groups who will fight and fight and fight for year after year in order that eventually we give up and let em in.
If you think the above is incorrect take a walk down Deptford High Street and look at all the "solicitors" advertising "Immigration issues" blah blah.
hope the link works , now imagine this at night and you your kids and partner /wife husband are in the two cars , ignore the music tell me how would you feel and what would you do ,
To allow these people entry into the UK or Australia is to deny or delay the processing of the genuine refugees stuck in camps around the world with little hope of ever getting out.
It took tough policy and resolve to fix the problem and the left side of politics hated it and still do. But their voices were completely silent when 1200 were drowning at sea and 5000 kids were held in detention under their beloved Labor Party.
Worry about where you live and pay taxes.
search on line find the videos of the drivers kicking the shit out of the immigrants but you know what thats not the answer , the answer is the armed forces deal with the threat in the manor required that they see fit at that time
Benefits are arranged for arrivals who claim to be under 18 - which is all of them up to the age of aboput 25 or 26 it seems. Maybe not housing or jobseekers, but benefits nonetheless. Arranging a foster parent costs between £450 and £800 per week. that is before all the rest of the support is given.
What a ridiculous commentby Bridget Chapman from Folkestone United:
“We also question Eurotunnel’s security and health and safety. How can a young boy die on the top of one of their trucks?”
Asked about people of Kent who have been affected by Operation Stack, she said: “I am sorry if people have been inconvenienced but it just that, an inconvenience."
Try telling that to all the people whose livelihoods are being affected by the problems. Many of them will be going out of business. To blame Eurotunnel for people dying is ridiculous - the migrants have chosen to put their safety at risk.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/illegal-immigration-arrests-double-officers-5467135
Illegal immigrants can't just stroll up to a local council and demand housing, they'd be deported. Usually they're provided with poor quality private housing by the firms that hire them illegally.
//gov.uk/asylum-support/what-youll-get
People that are asylum seekers apply before they come here/are brought here legally by official channels.
From the link I put on previously you can see that they do receive state funding.
I trust all the paddys living in the UK don't and have never had any feelings regarding the troubles? Same as the Sri Lankan Tamils and so on. Bet you've got loadsa time for them and their plight though pal eh?
And for the record, I left the UK because of the shit hole the place I lived in became down to the dirty scummy Slovak gypos that were placed in my area by Kent County Council. It got to the point were it was them or me that had to go and yeah it was me, it weren't for the want of fighting em though! This is also the reason I'm stuck with the property now, with no one wanted to buy it, but that's alright coz I'm a working class "pay your taxes and don't say a word" white bloke,...
a set builder and small business owner has had to ask the guys out there to take the three days as time off as so far this year the problems there had cost him 120k in lost revenue and he just can't cover 3guys wages for 3 days any more he has done it 5 times since March and on One occasion his lorry was there 9 days as it had done it's 6 days legal movement and had to take two days not moving and another day to get back, the labour and hire allocated for the trade show in Belgium was three days so he had to find 3 guys wages for an additional 6 days over what he had budgeted
The additional labour and vehicle hire plus lost contracts is killing this guy and I don't see anyone offering him help or researching how many other small British guys are going to lose it all dye to the actions or these filth and the total lack of action from the government
It's not a Tory vs labour thing which is what will happen each will snipe and take advantage of the poor bstds out there struggling and pander to public opinion
Yet last week people took to the streets because a fox might get killed in an inhumane way by a dog and people on horses
People are campaigning for that dentist to be sent back for killing a lion
People riot over capitalism and smash shops and generally cause havoc because it's trendy to do so in Surbiton or Kingston whilst daddy hides in his pent house office in the city selling futures
he is meeting with his bank on weds to beg for help as his business is teetering on the edge of collapse, his set building contract at the milano expo 2015 was worth 45k profit enough to keep both drivers in wages for another year, in the end it cost him 20k in wasted time materials and proto type demonstrations, I really feel for him now there's a man in need of compassion and help and I will do all I can to help him stay afloat without killing my business but I think we can help eachother as we both can use eachothers products to achieve and grow
15 yrs hard slog to build something that was turning a profit and becoming successful. Building a reputation and beginning to feel a success
Save your pity and sympathy for people like the man I met tonight, whom I have paid his hotel bill for tonight because his card was declined and who is looking for a hand up not out, who has paid tax paid ni and worked since 16 and owned this business for 15 yrs abs will lose everything if it goes under, his house, his respect, his dignity he has 3 kids a small mortgage on a small home in Kent nothing extravagant,
Or offer your sympathy to people you won't ever meet, who don't need it or would even respect or have gratitude for, who would steel and cut you as quick as looking at you, who mock and ridicule you and your country for allowing scum like them to take from people like the man I met tonight and that we will even offer them legal assistance to do so, but will happily allow one of our own to drop into poverty and no doubt ill health because they are stopping him earning