I want Luzon to play what he believes is his strongest team. If that involves dropping (rather than resting) some players after recent performances then so be it. But if he is not playing what is in his opinion our strongest team to give us the best chance of winning then i think it's a disgrace.
When Manchester Inited were going for the treble in 99 they didn't rest players in the Cups cos the league was the bread and butter - they wanted to win every game they played, cos as much as i hated him, they had a winner in charge.
I really don't understand our fans who don't care or would rather 3 points in the league. There is no certainty that resting players will result in better league results - football doesn't work like that. Confidence is born out of the habit of winning games and playing well in games, no matter what the particular game.
And ultimately football is 80% boring and un-emarkable with the odd high and low every now and then.
Beating your local rivals in a cup game would provide a high that would be lived off for years.
"Do you remember that year we rested players against palace and lost heavily, but which (may have) resulted in getting us those extra two points the following week which (may have) resulted in us finishing 15th rather than 16th" is not a comment you'd hear in years to come.
You enter competitions to do as well in them as you can and you yearn for days when you get a chance to beat your local rivals.
And much much stranger things have happened many times before.
PS i hope those who don't care/would prefer 3 points have let someone who does care have their ticket.
The gap in quality and resources between us and Palace over the last two seasons - in terms of them being in the ascendency - is probably the biggest it's been since our horrendous 1979/80 season, when we only won six games, and they finished mid-table in the old Division 1 (having been prematurely declared 'the team of the 80s', they finished 22nd the next season and we were promoted - as we know, things change quickly in football).
Palace will justifiably be odds on favourites when you look at the strength and depth of their squad but that doesn't mean we can't give them a game - if Shrewsbury can take them to extra time, why can't we be competitive ? I appreciate that we are carrying a number of injuries, are labouring with a very thin squad and that Guy Luzon and his staff have got to make a judgment. However, I'll be exceptionally cheesed off if, having traipsed over to Norwood and been herded into the Arthur Waite, we put out a much weakened side and end up having our noses rubbed in it by Palace. That may conceivably happen anyway, but let's bloody well give it a go !
We should play our strongest available team for sure. A great opportunity to build a bit of "slightly lost" confidence against the nigels. I definitly think JJ should play, and maybe get a little more playing time in the team. Sure he is getting on, hasn't got the legs, blah, blah, but I still think he has a lot to offer us, he knows how much this fixture means to us and I still think he is our best captain on the park. If we lose (like everyone thinks we will) so what? we are never going to win the bloody thing anyway, we just have to play our way back into a bit of form and I think Jacko could be just the right catalyst to get us going again. Saying all that I hope we give the nigels a spanking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I doubt he will actually rest any players he is not forced to due to injury, Luzon may not be a fan favourite again suddenly but he understands us fans, he understands deep down that the last three league results will be forgotten by the majority of Charlton fans if our team puts in a heroic performance and leaves the most run down branch of Sainsburys in the country with a place in the 4th round of the League Cup.
Why he not a fan fav ? Done a great job since taking over , perhaps people really wanted Paul Jewell and Dave Jones then
Calm down, i am still a fan of his but a month ago he was a complete hero, now a large number of posts after the last few games seem to be suggesting he is possibly out of his depth or that someone new will soon be taking his job.
I personally think that is an over reaction but then i have not had the displeasure of watching the last three league games.
My point is Luzon seems like a coach who understands the fans mindset, he will know that a win Wednesday night will give most fans a major boost to relieve the pressure off him & his team.
So i would be stunned & let down if he really did play a team of kids.
Been saying this for days if people think we are going to send a first team to Palace then think again ... The team leave for Cardiff Friday lunchtime which leaves 24 hours to deal with any Knocks Pope Charles Cook Sarr Lennon Bergdick
Cousins Jackson Ba Kennady
Grant Vetokele
When did we sign the 2 new players - Kennady and Bergdick? You kept that one quiet.
I'm going and looking forward to it. But I would prefer to lose and take 3 points against Cardiff - if I had a choice (which I obviously don't). Would always love to see us beat Palace or Millwall - but the league is more important IMO.
I'm going and looking forward to it. But I would prefer to lose and take 3 points against Cardiff - if I had a choice (which I obviously don't). Would always love to see us beat Palace or Millwall - but the league is more important IMO.
The league is more important overall and if the points are to decide going up and down then yes. There is a slim chance 3 points will decide our fate in my opinion so give me a win over the stripey mugs anytime over a win over cardiff that will last in the memory as long as milk in the fridge.
I want Luzon to play what he believes is his strongest team. If that involves dropping (rather than resting) some players after recent performances then so be it. But if he is not playing what is in his opinion our strongest team to give us the best chance of winning then i think it's a disgrace.
When Manchester Inited were going for the treble in 99 they didn't rest players in the Cups cos the league was the bread and butter - they wanted to win every game they played, cos as much as i hated him, they had a winner in charge.
I really don't understand our fans who don't care or would rather 3 points in the league. There is no certainty that resting players will result in better league results - football doesn't work like that. Confidence is born out of the habit of winning games and playing well in games, no matter what the particular game.
And ultimately football is 80% boring and un-emarkable with the odd high and low every now and then.
Beating your local rivals in a cup game would provide a high that would be lived off for years.
"Do you remember that year we rested players against palace and lost heavily, but which (may have) resulted in getting us those extra two points the following week which (may have) resulted in us finishing 15th rather than 16th" is not a comment you'd hear in years to come.
You enter competitions to do as well in them as you can and you yearn for days when you get a chance to beat your local rivals.
And much much stranger things have happened many times before.
PS i hope those who don't care/would prefer 3 points have let someone who does care have their ticket.
Did Man Utd win the league cup ? So what if we beat Palace and lose to Cardiff is that accepted because key players did not have time to recover , what happens if it goes to extra time and pens ........ I would not take beating Palace over three points against Cardiff
No they did not win the League Cup in 98/99 but got to the Quaters and went out to a strong Spurs side
If we beat Palace on Wednesday we can dine out on that for years. Beat Cardiff and it won't really matter in the scheme of things as we ain't going up or down . ( in my opinion) Of course beating the Nigels is more important than Cardiff.
I'm going and looking forward to it. But I would prefer to lose and take 3 points against Cardiff - if I had a choice (which I obviously don't). Would always love to see us beat Palace or Millwall - but the league is more important IMO.
The league is more important overall and if the points are to decide going up and down then yes. There is a slim chance 3 points will decide our fate in my opinion so give me a win over the stripey mugs anytime over a win over cardiff that will last in the memory as long as milk in the fridge.
Didn't we win there last year?
Could of but I can't remember.
Yes, I recall Simon Church winning us a penalty, perhaps we can play him on Wednesday
We will know the difference between a strong team and a weak team. The latter and I don't think it will be forgotten or forgiven. A decent performance will improve our chances of getting something from our trip to Cardiff - a gutless defeat with fans angry will make it less likely. Now if Luzon is playing mind games with Palace, fine. But if he is serious - well you have to question his judgement big time!
Little anecdote. Saw Guy Luzon in Argyle Street on Sunday whilst I was having a lunchtime pint. Went up and said hello, did the 'I am a Charlton fan' thing and asked for the obligatory 'selfie' (for my son of course!). He was extremely polite and accommodating and whilst I didn't mention the Blackburn result, I wished him all the best for the rest of the season, at which he reacted with a fist pump to his chest! Nice touch.
Fair enough. Personally would swap a win for 3 points all day long.
If I thought we had a shot at promotion I'd be with you on that. But we are a midtable side going through the usual mix of hope and despair, not quite realising our place is outside the coveted spots. So beating Palace in the cup would be a highlight of the season
Fair enough. Personally would swap a win for 3 points all day long.
If I thought we had a shot at promotion I'd be with you on that. But we are a midtable side going through the usual mix of hope and despair, not quite realising our place is outside the coveted spots. So beating Palace in the cup would be a highlight of the season
At the moment im worried about whats below us, not above!
From what I've seen in last few games Watt doesn't deserve to be in the team and that's coming from somebody that thought he might be the next Killer when he first started! So disappointed.
From what I've seen in last few games Watt doesn't deserve to be in the team and that's coming from somebody that thought he might be the next Killer when he first started! So disappointed.
Takes on one too many players and plays a bit too deep.
From what I've seen in last few games Watt doesn't deserve to be in the team and that's coming from somebody that thought he might be the next Killer when he first started! So disappointed.
Takes on one too many players and plays a bit too deep.
He took on one too many players last season as well as against QPR and Hull. The difference was he still had the ball at his feet or the ball was in the goal.
Agree with your second point that he came too deep to get the ball but at least it shows that he not lazy, but if Tony loses his confidence we are doomed.
He has had a couple of shockers but he needs lifting now not castigating.
From what I've seen in last few games Watt doesn't deserve to be in the team and that's coming from somebody that thought he might be the next Killer when he first started! So disappointed.
Takes on one too many players and plays a bit too deep.
He took on one too many players last season as well as against QPR and Hull. The difference was he still had the ball at his feet or the ball was in the goal.
Agree with your second point that he came too deep to get the ball but at least it shows that he not lazy, but if Tony loses his confidence we are doomed.
He has had a couple of shockers but he needs lifting now not castigating.
I was not criticising, just an observation.
What I will say is that I doubt whether between Watt, Vetokele and Makienok(who I think will be a big asset as a target man) they will score 25 goals.
Watt absolutely should be playing in a game like this. ESPECIALLY if Makienok is injured - which hopefully he isn't. I'll admit he's not playing well at the moment, but neither are a number of players. A game against better quality opposition is precisely the time when you need players who COULD pull something out. Watt is one of those. Gudmundsson possibly aside - how many others do we have?
After the way he's played lately, I imagine Tony will be bang up for this. At least I hope so.
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When Manchester Inited were going for the treble in 99 they didn't rest players in the Cups cos the league was the bread and butter - they wanted to win every game they played, cos as much as i hated him, they had a winner in charge.
I really don't understand our fans who don't care or would rather 3 points in the league. There is no certainty that resting players will result in better league results - football doesn't work like that. Confidence is born out of the habit of winning games and playing well in games, no matter what the particular game.
And ultimately football is 80% boring and un-emarkable with the odd high and low every now and then.
Beating your local rivals in a cup game would provide a high that would be lived off for years.
"Do you remember that year we rested players against palace and lost heavily, but which (may have) resulted in getting us those extra two points the following week which (may have) resulted in us finishing 15th rather than 16th" is not a comment you'd hear in years to come.
You enter competitions to do as well in them as you can and you yearn for days when you get a chance to beat your local rivals.
And much much stranger things have happened many times before.
PS i hope those who don't care/would prefer 3 points have let someone who does care have their ticket.
Palace will justifiably be odds on favourites when you look at the strength and depth of their squad but that doesn't mean we can't give them a game - if Shrewsbury can take them to extra time, why can't we be competitive ? I appreciate that we are carrying a number of injuries, are labouring with a very thin squad and that Guy Luzon and his staff have got to make a judgment. However, I'll be exceptionally cheesed off if, having traipsed over to Norwood and been herded into the Arthur Waite, we put out a much weakened side and end up having our noses rubbed in it by Palace. That may conceivably happen anyway, but let's bloody well give it a go !
COYR............
I personally think that is an over reaction but then i have not had the displeasure of watching the last three league games.
My point is Luzon seems like a coach who understands the fans mindset, he will know that a win Wednesday night will give most fans a major boost to relieve the pressure off him & his team.
So i would be stunned & let down if he really did play a team of kids.
Bergdych and moussa plus henderson at 26.
The rest of them are Kids !
Absolutely buzzing for it.
COYR
If we aren't good enough then fair play but please don't lose by not trying.
Didn't we win there last year?
Could of but I can't remember.
Of course beating the Nigels is more important than Cardiff.
The difference was he still had the ball at his feet or the ball was in the goal.
Agree with your second point that he came too deep to get the ball but at least it shows that he not lazy, but if Tony loses his confidence we are doomed.
He has had a couple of shockers but he needs lifting now not castigating.
What I will say is that I doubt whether between Watt, Vetokele and Makienok(who I think will be a big asset as a target man) they will score 25 goals.
After the way he's played lately, I imagine Tony will be bang up for this. At least I hope so.