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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,751
    East_Stand_Loopy said:

    And those demanding that Ade play as our best player will, of course if he has a slump in form, be the first to moan about the club expecting too much from an 18 year old. And how they have risked a young man's career by expecting too much of him, and pushing him forward too early. ..

    He offers so much more than foley and helps take the pressure of Holmes, personally I'd give him a start
  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,253
    I hope he isn't training either cos we don't want to burn him out
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 95,048
    edited August 2016
    blackpool72 said:

    East_Stand_Loopy said:

    And those demanding that Ade play as our best player will, of course if he has a slump in form, be the first to moan about the club expecting too much from an 18 year old. And how they have risked a young man's career by expecting too much of him, and pushing him forward too early. ..

    He offers so much more than foley and helps take the pressure of Holmes, personally I'd give him a start
    Foley offers the defensive protection which helps a lot against teams in this Division as there is a lot of pace.

    Quite often in the First Half (Before the changes) you'd see Solly bombing forwards with Foley sitting at Right Back, if I could hazard a guess its exactly why Jackson is playing Left Mid because he was doing the same with Fox.

    Ade is still raw and reckon if we play him from the start then Managers have 90mins to suss him out and nulify him (He's still missing that experience others have in this Division)... I prefer seeing him come on in the 60th min as defences will be tired and terrified of his pace (i.e. its happened against Bolton and Shrewsbury)

    I know the quoted post doesnt say it but I definitely wouldnt start him ahead of Ajose as I dont see him as someone who'll score 25+ goals in this Division
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,253
    Whether we like it or not, a fact to consider is that a player at any given time can get a career ending injury.

    Any player that has a life changing contract put on the table only requiring their signature would surely be silly not to leave. That is the reality.
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Why didn't we give Ade 10 days in Ibiza when we still had THD as cover?
  • East_Stand_Loopy
    East_Stand_Loopy Posts: 2,205
    harveys gardener said:

    Why didn't we give Ade 10 days in Ibiza when we still had THD as cover?

    So you think THD would have scored that goal yesterday? 2 completely different type of players...
  • Viewfinder
    Viewfinder Posts: 4,916
    edited August 2016
    Airman Brown said:

    Presumably Lennon was on the bench as a left-back, but we clearly do not have enough (fit) players to have seven useful subs. Interesting to see if Johnson plays on Tuesday (see online because I'm not going) because Slade seems to have backed himself into a corner on this as far as proper matches are concerned. Should have dealt with it firmly and forced Johnson to apologise to the fans.

    Great goal from Lookman. Let's hope it's not his last for us.

    Oh, come on, Airman! Roger Johnson rushed over to vent his frustration after the debacle at Bury and now it's a stick to beat him with. Over 51 seasons, I have watched hundreds of Charlton players fail, flop, miss open goals, defend like children, dribble into nowhere and wilt like pansies.

    It's good that Roger Johnson came roaring over to the fans: "FUCK OFF!" He has fire. There is a transcript of our recent pre-season game: Slade urging the players - "MOVE IT!... GET FORWARD!... PASS!... SKIN HIM!..." Slade screamed at Johnson: "FUCKING GET THEM FORWARD!" - and Johnson shot back at Slade: "FUCK OFF!"

    Quite right. The dim-witted managers we have suffered! Bob Peeters, who was like Benny from 'Crossroads'; Guy Luzon, crouching and pleading as if straining at stool; Carol Fraeye, an 18-year-old student pitched from sports studies in a polytechnic on the backwaters of Belgium.

    I was at the Orient game after our training camp in Austria. We had lost at Bromley and scored one single goal abroad. Dillon Phillips had the ball and was about to hoof it to nowhere. Johnson, our defender, insisted: "Wait, Dill; Wait!" We all formed up in a regimented midfield. "Dill" kicked the ball - and our hopeless midfield lost possession again.

    Roger Johnson is twice the age of Ademola Lookman - and has 50 times his experience of professional football. I would make Johnson our captain.





  • Redrobo
    Redrobo Posts: 11,336
    Viewfinder said:

    Airman Brown said:

    Presumably Lennon was on the bench as a left-back, but we clearly do not have enough (fit) players to have seven useful subs. Interesting to see if Johnson plays on Tuesday (see online because I'm not going) because Slade seems to have backed himself into a corner on this as far as proper matches are concerned. Should have dealt with it firmly and forced Johnson to apologise to the fans.

    Great goal from Lookman. Let's hope it's not his last for us.

    Oh, come on, Airman! Roger Johnson rushed over to vent his frustration after the debacle at Bury and now it's a stick to beat him with. Over 51 seasons, I have watched hundreds of Charlton players fail, flop, miss open goals, defend like children, dribble into nowhere and wilt like pansies.

    It's good that Roger Johnson came roaring over to the fans: "FUCK OFF!" He has fire. There is a transcript of our recent pre-season game: Slade urging the players - "MOVE IT!... GET FORWARD!... PASS!... SKIN HIM!..." Slade screamed at Johnson: "FUCKING GET THEM FORWARD!" - and Johnson shot back at Slade: "FUCK OFF!"

    Quite right. The dim-witted managers we have suffered! Bob Peeters, who was like Benny from 'Crossroads'; Guy Luzon, crouching and pleading as if straining at stool; Carol Fraeye, an 18-year-old student pitched from sports studies in a polytechnic in a brackish backwater of Belgium.

    I was at the at the Orient game after our training camp in Austria. We had lost at Bromley and scored one single goal abroad. Dillon Phillips had the ball and was about to hoof it to nowhere. Johnson, a defender, insisted: "Wait, Dill; Wait!" We all formed up in a regimented midfield. "Dill" kicked the ball, and our hopeless midfield lost possession again.

    Roger Johnson is twice the age of Ademola Lookman - and has 50 times his experience of professional football. I would make Johnson our captain.





    Good sound arguments, but he is not very good at playing football.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Viewfinder said:

    Airman Brown said:

    Presumably Lennon was on the bench as a left-back, but we clearly do not have enough (fit) players to have seven useful subs. Interesting to see if Johnson plays on Tuesday (see online because I'm not going) because Slade seems to have backed himself into a corner on this as far as proper matches are concerned. Should have dealt with it firmly and forced Johnson to apologise to the fans.

    Great goal from Lookman. Let's hope it's not his last for us.

    Oh, come on, Airman! Roger Johnson rushed over to vent his frustration after the debacle at Bury and now it's a stick to beat him with. Over 51 seasons, I have watched hundreds of Charlton players fail, flop, miss open goals, defend like children, dribble into nowhere and wilt like pansies.

    It's good that Roger Johnson came roaring over to the fans: "FUCK OFF!" He has fire. There is a transcript of our recent pre-season game: Slade urging the players - "MOVE IT!... GET FORWARD!... PASS!... SKIN HIM!..." Slade screamed at Johnson: "FUCKING GET THEM FORWARD!" - and Johnson shot back at Slade: "FUCK OFF!"

    Quite right. The dim-witted managers we have suffered! Bob Peeters, who was like Benny from 'Crossroads'; Guy Luzon, crouching and pleading as if straining at stool; Carol Fraeye, an 18-year-old student pitched from sports studies in a polytechnic on the backwaters of Belgium.

    I was at the at the Orient game after our training camp in Austria. We had lost at Bromley and scored one single goal abroad. Dillon Phillips had the ball and was about to hoof it to nowhere. Johnson, a defender, insisted: "Wait, Dill; Wait!" We all formed up in a regimented midfield. "Dill" kicked the ball, and our hopeless midfield lost possession again.

    Roger Johnson is twice the age of Ademola Lookman - and has 50 times his experience of professional football. I would make Johnson our captain.





    Roger Johnson said if we don't like it we shouldn't come.
    Yeah. Good captain material that.
    There will be a massive turn out to see Johnson on Tuesday I expect.
  • Simonsen
    Simonsen Posts: 5,513
    Viewfinder said:

    Airman Brown said:

    Presumably Lennon was on the bench as a left-back, but we clearly do not have enough (fit) players to have seven useful subs. Interesting to see if Johnson plays on Tuesday (see online because I'm not going) because Slade seems to have backed himself into a corner on this as far as proper matches are concerned. Should have dealt with it firmly and forced Johnson to apologise to the fans.

    Great goal from Lookman. Let's hope it's not his last for us.

    Oh, come on, Airman! Roger Johnson rushed over to vent his frustration after the debacle at Bury and now it's a stick to beat him with. Over 51 seasons, I have watched hundreds of Charlton players fail, flop, miss open goals, defend like children, dribble into nowhere and wilt like pansies.

    It's good that Roger Johnson came roaring over to the fans: "FUCK OFF!" He has fire. There is a transcript of our recent pre-season game: Slade urging the players - "MOVE IT!... GET FORWARD!... PASS!... SKIN HIM!..." Slade screamed at Johnson: "FUCKING GET THEM FORWARD!" - and Johnson shot back at Slade: "FUCK OFF!"

    Quite right. The dim-witted managers we have suffered! Bob Peeters, who was like Benny from 'Crossroads'; Guy Luzon, crouching and pleading as if straining at stool; Carol Fraeye, an 18-year-old student pitched from sports studies in a polytechnic on the backwaters of Belgium.

    I was at the Orient game after our training camp in Austria. We had lost at Bromley and scored one single goal abroad. Dillon Phillips had the ball and was about to hoof it to nowhere. Johnson, a defender, insisted: "Wait, Dill; Wait!" We all formed up in a regimented midfield. "Dill" kicked the ball, and our hopeless midfield lost possession again.

    Roger Johnson is twice the age of Ademola Lookman - and has 50 times his experience of professional football. I would make Johnson our captain.





    You're easily the best poster on this forum Viewfinder. "Straining at stool....." has become a new favourite for me.

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  • Fumbluff
    Fumbluff Posts: 10,162
    dallas said:

    to many centre halfs on the bench

    And too many dreams can be broken in two.....

    (C) Jason Donovan
  • Tunwellsaddick
    Tunwellsaddick Posts: 2,456
    edited August 2016
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  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,830
    edited August 2016
    Talk of Lookman being tired is ridiculous. He played a couple of games in July for England and he's hardly ever started for us . He's 18 not 38 .
    If he's knackered then he has a serious problem.
  • Redskin
    Redskin Posts: 3,127
    seth plum said:

    Viewfinder said:

    Airman Brown said:

    Presumably Lennon was on the bench as a left-back, but we clearly do not have enough (fit) players to have seven useful subs. Interesting to see if Johnson plays on Tuesday (see online because I'm not going) because Slade seems to have backed himself into a corner on this as far as proper matches are concerned. Should have dealt with it firmly and forced Johnson to apologise to the fans.

    Great goal from Lookman. Let's hope it's not his last for us.

    Oh, come on, Airman! Roger Johnson rushed over to vent his frustration after the debacle at Bury and now it's a stick to beat him with. Over 51 seasons, I have watched hundreds of Charlton players fail, flop, miss open goals, defend like children, dribble into nowhere and wilt like pansies.

    It's good that Roger Johnson came roaring over to the fans: "FUCK OFF!" He has fire. There is a transcript of our recent pre-season game: Slade urging the players - "MOVE IT!... GET FORWARD!... PASS!... SKIN HIM!..." Slade screamed at Johnson: "FUCKING GET THEM FORWARD!" - and Johnson shot back at Slade: "FUCK OFF!"

    Quite right. The dim-witted managers we have suffered! Bob Peeters, who was like Benny from 'Crossroads'; Guy Luzon, crouching and pleading as if straining at stool; Carol Fraeye, an 18-year-old student pitched from sports studies in a polytechnic on the backwaters of Belgium.

    I was at the at the Orient game after our training camp in Austria. We had lost at Bromley and scored one single goal abroad. Dillon Phillips had the ball and was about to hoof it to nowhere. Johnson, a defender, insisted: "Wait, Dill; Wait!" We all formed up in a regimented midfield. "Dill" kicked the ball, and our hopeless midfield lost possession again.

    Roger Johnson is twice the age of Ademola Lookman - and has 50 times his experience of professional football. I would make Johnson our captain.





    Roger Johnson said if we don't like it we shouldn't come.
    Yeah. Good captain material that.
    There will be a massive turn out to see Johnson on Tuesday I expect.
    FFS, get over it.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,524
    Bedsaddick said:

    Talk of Lookman being tired is ridiculous. He played a couple of games in July for England and he's hardly ever started for us . He's 18 not 38 .
    If he's knackered then he has a serious problem.

    He also played for England in June and would have been training through much of the summer.

    After all the injury and fitness problems in the last two seasons I'm going to trust Slade on this, though I wouldn't be surprised if he is sold either.
  • Tutt-Tutt
    Tutt-Tutt Posts: 3,283
    Alwaysneil said:

    I guess it was a 4-4-2 diamond but when Holmes was ripping them apart at the tip of the diamond he was further forward than I expected and looked more like 4-3-1-2 to me.

    He was ahead of the others who were working pretty flat.

    Maybe that's what a 4-4-2 diamond looks like when it's working but I didn't see anyone holding in the bottom of the diamond.

    Crofts was at the base of the diamond, picking up Davies at the top of the Bolton diamond. I assume Bolton have used a diamond in their previous games, so Brussell matched up, which also suggests that the opposition scouting has improved since last season. I don't think Carol and Riga understood that it might be an idea to consider what the oppo is doing in advance, instead of making it up as you go along.
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    Fuck the vine
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    poor game----they were just big lumps who showed little effort in attempting to win the game. we all know we are lacking in midfield.
  • Valley11
    Valley11 Posts: 12,016
    It's not necessarily physical tiredness but also mental at youth team age. Plus it appears Lookman has scouts and agents in his ear.
    I think Slade is doing the right thing.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited August 2016
    harveys gardener said:

    Why didn't we give Ade 10 days in Ibiza when we still had THD as cover?

    We were going to, but he had to go to a mates wedding in Antigua.

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  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,253
    Bedsaddick said:

    Talk of Lookman being tired is ridiculous. He played a couple of games in July for England and he's hardly ever started for us . He's 18 not 38 .
    If he's knackered then he has a serious problem.

    Asthma
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    ricky_otto said:

    harveys gardener said:

    Why didn't we give Ade 10 days in Ibiza when we still had THD as cover?

    We were going to, but he had to go to a mates wedding in Antigua.


    Chilling
  • Bedsaddick
    Bedsaddick Posts: 24,830
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,242
    Ajose is a penalty area player.
    The keeper was on him straight away but at least he got there.
    Needs the support of the crowd and a 20 goal striker will deliver in this League. I said last weak after his 2 scrappy goals that he will have ineffective games, we need a creative mid fielder as well as Holmes to feed him.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,223
    Bedsaddick said:

    Talk of Lookman being tired is ridiculous. He played a couple of games in July for England and he's hardly ever started for us . He's 18 not 38 .
    If he's knackered then he has a serious problem.

    It's not about him being too tired to play, it's about using him correctly now so he's not too knackered in March, or burnt out when he's 25.

    It's something Curbs used to get criticized for but he was largely very protective of our youngsters until they were 21 or 22.

    As always, if it is was good enough for Curbs...
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,223
    Bedsaddick said:

    Love that free header that Pearce really had to score from. You know, the one where he had the Bolton defender trying to knock him over and the goalkeeper charging straight at him.
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,242
    The BETDAQ advertising boards were blown on to the pitch yesterday by the west Stand.

    What were the odds on that Happening ?
  • nth_london_addick
    nth_london_addick Posts: 35,919
    Thanking you kindly
  • soapy_jones
    soapy_jones Posts: 21,416
    Even the advertising boards are protesting down at the Valley!
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,289
    It was only 2% of the boards.

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