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Surely he'd be even slower if he had to start every run from the bench?Alwaysneil said:He can run for quite a long time, but his first few yards are quite slow. I think he needs to start from the bench or come off after 45 minutes.
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It strikes me that Jacko has been in steady decline, as you would expect at his age, for a few seasons now.AddickFC81 said:His confidence is just a bit low. You don't become a bad player over night.
We should have better starting in midfield, but do we actually have much better at the club right now?
Seems to me that we didn't do the business we needed to in the summer recruiting quality into central midfield. A lack of decent players there has been hampering us since even before this rabble took ownership of the club. For season after season we have lacked the legs and balance of all round ability to play a 4 but when we play a 5 we have 3 more defensive centre mids and no one breaking forwards to get ahead of the striker.
I honestly can't remember the last time we had a midfielder who had the natural instinct to make forward runs into potential goal scoring positions. Probably first era Jason Euell.3 -
Would have been Dale Stephens if Powell hadn't insisted on him playing in front for the back four.Exiled_Addick said:
It strikes me that Jacko has been in steady decline, as you would expect at his age, for a few seasons now.AddickFC81 said:His confidence is just a bit low. You don't become a bad player over night.
We should have better starting in midfield, but do we actually have much better at the club right now?
Seems to me that we didn't do the business we needed to in the summer recruiting quality into central midfield. A lack of decent players there has been hampering us since even before this rabble took ownership of the club. For season after season we have lacked the legs and balance of all round ability to play a 4 but when we play a 5 we have 3 more defensive centre mids and no one breaking forwards to get ahead of the striker.
I honestly can't remember the last time we had a midfielder who had the natural instinct to make forward runs into potential goal scoring positions. Probably first era Jason Euell.0 -
Exiled_Addick said:AddickFC81 said:
I honestly can't remember the last time we had a midfielder who had the natural instinct to make forward runs into potential goal scoring positions. Probably first era Jason Euell.
And Andy Reid, of course.0 -
Colin will be loving this thread3
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He's still good enough, just maybe not at LM or as part of a midfield 2, holding behind the middle 2 or in front of the back 4. However you define a CDM.1
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Don't need to be on my soapbox for this.
Jackson who is a great bloke and will go down as 1 of our best captains.
Should be no where near the 1st team this season.
I didn't need to see a missed penalty and being well off the pace to say that.
Older CL's will know Colin Walsh went on about 2 seasons too long,
and was heckled by a couple of morons.
I don't want the same to happen to JJ.
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He's still got a role to play.Dazzler21 said:He's still good enough, just maybe not at LM or as part of a midfield 2, holding behind the middle 2 or in front of the back 4. However you define a CDM.
But if you're going to play a 34 year old in the 1st team, then you need to put quick feet and strong running around him.
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Wouldn't particularly agree with that, Stephens natural game was to sit deeper and pass the ball. The odd goal he got was usually from outside the box. I may be wrong, but I think Brighton have used him much the same and I don't recall him arriving with a particularly standout scoring record at Rochdale.To_Be_Franck said:a midfielder who had the natural instinct to make forward runs into potential goal scoring positions. Probably first era Jason Euell.
Would have been Dale Stephens if Powell hadn't insisted on him playing in front for the back four.
Reidy is a better shout, but he was a wide player really and was more inclined to work around the edge of the box and provide the kinds of passes that a player like Euell would finish off. Maybe Zheng Zhi would be the closest. Bryan Hughes used to do it a bit too. Nicky Bailey too was good from wide, but did it less when he was central. My point is we've maybe had one or two since Curbishley left the club. We've had a similar dearth of playmakers too. Stephens and Buyens are the only two that spring to mind. We've certainly almost never had a midfielder who can pass and a midfielder who can make space to receive a pass in the box in the same team at the same time.Oggy Red said:
And Andy Reid, of course.
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Absolutely disagree - rose tinted glasses syndrome.Oggy Red said:
He's still got a role to play.Dazzler21 said:He's still good enough, just maybe not at LM or as part of a midfield 2, holding behind the middle 2 or in front of the back 4. However you define a CDM.
But if you're going to play a 34 year old in the 1st team, then you need to put quick feet and strong running around him.
The only possible role would be as a last 5 minutes sub to attack the ball from set pieces to see if he can grab us a goal.
Were you there today? JJ gave us absolutely nothing and was out of his depth.
Please let us remember him as one of the Club's great servants and move him to the Coaching staff or make him Assistant Manager.
I don!t gain any pleasure in negative comments about a Club hero but he has a huge role to play for us off the field where he will be appreciated once again.
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I see him as an impact substitution but I'm not sure at the moment who you would replace him with in the starting line up. Today was a joke when it came to him playing as the link man between Josh and our midfield. Last Saturday he wasn't great but he was at least effective against oxford.1
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Ajose? Botaka? Ba? Novak? Charles-Cook? Aribo? Umerah? Chicksen?Karim_myBagheri said:I'm not sure at the moment who you would replace him with in the starting line up
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The second 4 possibly cos I haven't seen much of them but the first 4, fuck me, even if Jackson was 40 years older and only had half a leg he would be better than those lot.Leuth said:
Ajose? Botaka? Ba? Novak? Charles-Cook? Aribo? Umerah? Chicksen?Karim_myBagheri said:I'm not sure at the moment who you would replace him with in the starting line up
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You clearly left before Botaka came on today thenKarim_myBagheri said:
The second 4 possibly cos I haven't seen much of them but the first 4, fuck me, even if Jackson was 40 years older and only had half a leg he would be better than those lot.Leuth said:
Ajose? Botaka? Ba? Novak? Charles-Cook? Aribo? Umerah? Chicksen?Karim_myBagheri said:I'm not sure at the moment who you would replace him with in the starting line up
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Me! No legs, but fucks knows I can keep possession and pick intelligent and at times incisive passes.Leuth said:
Ajose? Botaka? Ba? Novak? Charles-Cook? Aribo? Umerah? Chicksen?Karim_myBagheri said:I'm not sure at the moment who you would replace him with in the starting line up
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I was last at The Valley a little less than two years ago, and in a midfield with Buyens, Coquelin (the little legend), and then Cousins he looked utterly anonymous and frankly past it. The game just passes him by, and he hasn't adapted not only to the fact that he's getting slower, but also to the fact that a Bryan Robson all action box-to-box midfielder just doesn't have a place in the modern game with three-men central midfields unless that player is an exceptional athlete.AddickFC81 said:His confidence is just a bit low. You don't become a bad player over night.
He missed a chunk of last year through injury, and when fit down the stretch wasn't first choice. When Riga first came in he tried playing him as a holding midfielder and it kind of sort of worked, but even then, even in our best game of the season against Rotherham, there were times in the first half where the game completely bypassed him due to lack of positioning or technical ability. He was better in the second half when the game condensed. But this is not a new problem. Popping up with the odd goal isn't enough for a central or wide midfielder of 34 if that's all they're contributing.0 -
Maybe he will be more suited to league 2 football next season.3
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Feel sorry for him tbh2
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He's getting on a bit but from what I've seen this season I think he can still do a job, but maybe not for the full 90 minutes. Time to start thinking of his second career as full time defence screen for Calamity Kate.0
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Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.1
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Likewise Len. Great ambassador for the club, but sadly his playing days are numbered - at least in terms of starting. Good to have on the bench and bring on if we need a goal. The game passed him by yesterday. Don't think that clown Slade helped by changing his position 3 times - it's quite simple, take him off. Him playing behind Magennis up front was laughable.LenGlover said:Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.4 -
In all seriousness Cheltenham, who are near the bottom of L2, also gave our geriatric midfield a chasing, so it will be no different in L2. If you're too old to compete, it matters little what division you are in.25May98 said:Maybe he will be more suited to league 2 football next season.
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In all brutal honesty I think Jacko is just as pissed off as the fans and going through the motion like the rest of us. He was around as skipper when were winning League 1 and already had a great rapport with the fans. When things went down hill he has remained loyal to the club mainly for the fans. During a meeting where he attended as club skipper he was sat next to miere and when she was talking the look on Jacko's face was one where he looked a bit pissed and probably thought to himself... "WTF are you talking about sweetheart?" I think the same in that instance can be said for Sols. Granted Jacko isn't quite as sharp as he was when winning League 1 but he is one of us.2
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If you swap your paragraphs around then it becomes much more understandable.ricky_otto said:
Likewise Len. Great ambassador for the club, but sadly his playing days are numbered - at least in terms of starting. Good to have on the bench and bring on if we need a goal. The game passed him by yesterday. Don't think that clown Slade helped by changing his position 3 times - it's quite simple, take him off. Him playing behind Magennis up front was laughable.LenGlover said:Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.
Magennis rarely lays the ball off in a useful manner with his head although you would think he should do better with the practice he gets in matches. Now add to that a 34 year old, who in his prime was a left back/midfielder and who has never admitted to having pace, playing the 'no 10' role. Seriously, what do you expect ?
JJ used most of his energy running into spaces in hope rather than expectation, then chasing back to do his more conventional role. JJ wasn't the problem yesterday, merely a symptom.2 -
All midfields need energy. Ours has none and our business in the window in that area was totally inadequate . In fairness, I think Slade knew that1
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Don't blame Jackson, blame Magennis! And drop him for Novak while you're about it. Fucking Christ, both of youHex said:
If you swap your paragraphs around then it becomes much more understandable.ricky_otto said:
Likewise Len. Great ambassador for the club, but sadly his playing days are numbered - at least in terms of starting. Good to have on the bench and bring on if we need a goal. The game passed him by yesterday. Don't think that clown Slade helped by changing his position 3 times - it's quite simple, take him off. Him playing behind Magennis up front was laughable.LenGlover said:Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.
Magennis rarely lays the ball off in a useful manner with his head although you would think he should do better with the practice he gets in matches. Now add to that a 34 year old, who in his prime was a left back/midfielder and who has never admitted to having pace, playing the 'no 10' role. Seriously, what do you expect ?
JJ used most of his energy running into spaces in hope rather than expectation, then chasing back to do his more conventional role. JJ wasn't the problem yesterday, merely a symptom.0 -
I'm not blaming Magennis.Leuth said:
Don't blame Jackson, blame Magennis! And drop him for Novak while you're about it. Fucking Christ, both of youHex said:
If you swap your paragraphs around then it becomes much more understandable.ricky_otto said:
Likewise Len. Great ambassador for the club, but sadly his playing days are numbered - at least in terms of starting. Good to have on the bench and bring on if we need a goal. The game passed him by yesterday. Don't think that clown Slade helped by changing his position 3 times - it's quite simple, take him off. Him playing behind Magennis up front was laughable.LenGlover said:Yesterday for the first time I thought there might be a grain of truth in the title of this thread.
Speaking of Magennis, really think he ought to come out of the team as well. This lumping it up to him malarkey doesn't work. Any flick ons he won were going to nobody. Personally I want to see Ajose and Novak have 4 or 5 games to get a partnership up and running. They should be starting against Crawley.
Magennis rarely lays the ball off in a useful manner with his head although you would think he should do better with the practice he gets in matches. Now add to that a 34 year old, who in his prime was a left back/midfielder and who has never admitted to having pace, playing the 'no 10' role. Seriously, what do you expect ?
JJ used most of his energy running into spaces in hope rather than expectation, then chasing back to do his more conventional role. JJ wasn't the problem yesterday, merely a symptom.
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I'd have him in the starting eleven if for no other reason than the fact he attacks the ball defensively and offensively in the air.
Watch the rest of our superstars next time we get a corner or have ro defend one and tell me I'm wrong1 -
Watch him have his best game yet this season against Coventry.1
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It's possible. He's always played really well about 5 times a season. (In the last 3 seasons).cantersaddick said:Watch him have his best game yet this season against Coventry.
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