Olympic Stadium; our day in court
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It was, although having looked through the Vinci page @TelMc32 provided, I think there is less in it than I first thought. It seems that Vinci set up standalone stadium operating companies in each case (well they have done in Paris as well as here), and they just gave it a silly name.JollyRobin said:
I think the original query isn't about what the name stands for, it's why does Vinci feel the need to create a sub-brand specifically for this project.TelMc32 said:
LS185 is simply London Stadium and the 185 refers to the number of GB Olympic & Paralympic medal winners in 2012.PragueAddick said:
LS 185 is especially interesting. The stadium operator is actually French company Vinci, who operate several other large stadia, including Stade de France as I recall. Yet this is the first operation where they go all shy and come up with a name like this. That is surprising for a private company. You expect them to proudly display their credentials and build up their brand awareness. Unfortunately being private, we cannot ask under FOI why they have done this.Eynsfordaddick said:This will only get worse as Christmas shoppers get thrown in the mix as well!
Is it just me, or does the fact that the stadium bodies are called by numbers, makes them seem faceless and therefore easier to hide and avoid responsibility? 'Stadium Landlords E20' and 'Stadium Operators LS185'.
Somebody is going to have to accept they are responsible for the poor stewarding and policing and act on it because it seems that Gullivan and Brady can just abrogate all responsibility because of the contract.
Anybody happen to know?
http://www.vinci-concessions.com/en/what-we-do/stadiums/
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"Boris Johnson's East End Clusterfuck Ltd" is a bit long-winded.6
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Soon to be called WH1 which refers to the number of games they've won.TelMc32 said:
LS185 is simply London Stadium and the 185 refers to the number of GB Olympic & Paralympic medal winners in 2012.PragueAddick said:
LS 185 is especially interesting. The stadium operator is actually French company Vinci, who operate several other large stadia, including Stade de France as I recall. Yet this is the first operation where they go all shy and come up with a name like this. That is surprising for a private company. You expect them to proudly display their credentials and build up their brand awareness. Unfortunately being private, we cannot ask under FOI why they have done this.Eynsfordaddick said:This will only get worse as Christmas shoppers get thrown in the mix as well!
Is it just me, or does the fact that the stadium bodies are called by numbers, makes them seem faceless and therefore easier to hide and avoid responsibility? 'Stadium Landlords E20' and 'Stadium Operators LS185'.
Somebody is going to have to accept they are responsible for the poor stewarding and policing and act on it because it seems that Gullivan and Brady can just abrogate all responsibility because of the contract.
Anybody happen to know?
http://www.vinci-concessions.com/en/what-we-do/stadiums/5 -
When all is said and done, given the wonderful results achieved on behalf of the public purse over the OS, it's a real shame that there are no important negotiations on the horizon.6
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NornIrishAddick said:
When all is said and done, given the wonderful results achieved on behalf of the public purse over the OS, it's a real shame that there are no important relegations on the horizon.
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I worked as a senior manager for Vinci for a few years, albeit a different division and I left around 10 years ago. What I can tell you is at the time they were exceptionally proud of their brand and were very keen to push the fact that they are a diverse company and operate in many different sectors. I find it very strange that they would not want to put their name to this project, particularly as they operate four stadiums in France, and by getting the Olympic Stadium, it could potentially lead to more contracts of it's type in this country. It's a puzzle quite honestly, but they have re-branded the division I worked in, which also no longer carries the Vinci name.PragueAddick said:
LS 185 is especially interesting. The stadium operator is actually French company Vinci, who operate several other large stadia, including Stade de France as I recall. Yet this is the first operation where they go all shy and come up with a name like this. That is surprising for a private company. You expect them to proudly display their credentials and build up their brand awareness. Unfortunately being private, we cannot ask under FOI why they have done this.Eynsfordaddick said:This will only get worse as Christmas shoppers get thrown in the mix as well!
Is it just me, or does the fact that the stadium bodies are called by numbers, makes them seem faceless and therefore easier to hide and avoid responsibility? 'Stadium Landlords E20' and 'Stadium Operators LS185'.
Somebody is going to have to accept they are responsible for the poor stewarding and policing and act on it because it seems that Gullivan and Brady can just abrogate all responsibility because of the contract.
Anybody happen to know?
Coincidentally, London Borough of Newham was my patch when I worked for Vinci and I was standing with one of the LBN department heads, in Stratford, when the result of the Olympic Games bid came in. There was much rejoicing as you can imagine.
I wasn't surprised to see West Ham get the Olympic Stadium gig, nor with the help offered by LBN, because they've always been very close to the club. The football brings a lot of money to an otherwise relatively poor area, which was obviously why they were keen to get the Olympics.2 -
Surely it should be LS272M?3
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Yikes. As someone who is wary of the little balcony from our 6th floor office, I salute these kids for their nerve.colthe3rd said:
Well prepare to put your hands in your pockets for further funds to 'tighten' security. Or rather, it would seem, to actually have some security...
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Too right, someone has nicked our goal posts.PragueAddick said:
Yikes. As someone who is wary of the little balcony from our 6th floor office, I salute these kids for their nerve.colthe3rd said:
Well prepare to put your hands in your pockets for further funds to 'tighten' security. Or rather, it would seem, to actually have some security...0 -
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Did she go to the same finishing school as Katrien?6 -
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Did she go to the same finishing school as Katrien?1 -
They a choice couple c@#€s that's for sure!guinnessaddick said:https://www.google.co.uk/amp/talksport.com/football/west-ham-united-news-club-had-no-culture-and-needed-rebrand-says-karren-brady-fans-react?amp?client=safari
Did she go to the same finishing school as Katrien?0 -
Looking at the comments, I'm assuming that Shane Barber isn't a taxpayer then!!!guinnessaddick said:https://www.google.co.uk/amp/talksport.com/football/west-ham-united-news-club-had-no-culture-and-needed-rebrand-says-karren-brady-fans-react?amp?client=safari
Did she go to the same finishing school as Katrien?
Shane Barber
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Stop being so bloody precious. The previous reigns of the Cearns family, Terry Brown and then Egbert the Biscuit were what she was talking about, not 1966, the ICF or the Chicken Run. We were owned by a succession of second rosters who stifled any potential for personal gain and nearly took us into oblivion. Better To be led by someone with vision and real passion for the club, methinks. Oh, and their own cash to put in.... Not just more of ours.7 -
Whilst part of me finds West Ham's predicament of amusement, the issue was never with West Ham being at the stadium. These issues would inevitably have happened even if they'd paid the full conversion costs.
The thread's turning into an anti-West Ham one, and we're losing the focus I think.4 -
I think the reason it's becoming an anti-West Ham thread is because they are ungracious about it all. Hiding behind it's not our responsibility to have police inside the stadium, for starters.rikofold said:Whilst part of me finds West Ham's predicament of amusement, the issue was never with West Ham being at the stadium. These issues would inevitably have happened even if they'd paid the full conversion costs.
The thread's turning into an anti-West Ham one, and we're losing the focus I think.
I still don't unhow Karrn Brady was allowed to be in the contract dealings, there must have been a conflict of interests, with her position with the government.5 -
Funny though ain't it?rikofold said:Whilst part of me finds West Ham's predicament of amusement, the issue was never with West Ham being at the stadium. These issues would inevitably have happened even if they'd paid the full conversion costs.
The thread's turning into an anti-West Ham one, and we're losing the focus I think.14 -
So pleased that West Ham have such air tight security. Which is comforting when you think that the OS could be such a prestigious target for terrorists.0
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Sorry Rik, we're Charlton fans. We have to take our schadenfreude anywhere we can find it.rikofold said:Whilst part of me finds West Ham's predicament of amusement, the issue was never with West Ham being at the stadium. These issues would inevitably have happened even if they'd paid the full conversion costs.
The thread's turning into an anti-West Ham one, and we're losing the focus I think.6 -
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The Campaign hasn't lost any focus. As I kept trying to explain to gavros (where is he now?) the campaign is run elsewhere. This is just the CL thread. It is what it is :-)rikofold said:Whilst part of me finds West Ham's predicament of amusement, the issue was never with West Ham being at the stadium. These issues would inevitably have happened even if they'd paid the full conversion costs.
The thread's turning into an anti-West Ham one, and we're losing the focus I think.
Brady is the latest in a long line of second rate but grossly over - rewarded business people who use the word "brand" without understanding what it really means.
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https://theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/05/west-ham-karren-brady-stadium-move
"We have the best stadium – there are some great stadiums in this country but there is only one Olympic Stadium and it’s ours." - Karren Brady
Sorry, I thought it still belonged to us?15 -
Don't be silly. The deal is deliberately structured so that E20 go bust and West Ham can buy the ground cheap, having got us to pay for all the Westhamification first and ensured there's no pesky contractual obligations to any other users that would inconvenience West Ham in future.Rizzo said:https://theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/05/west-ham-karren-brady-stadium-move
"We have the best stadium – there are some great stadiums in this country but there is only one Olympic Stadium and it’s ours." - Karren Brady
Sorry, I thought it still belonged to us?10 -
Just proves what we thought all along, as far as they are concerned it is their property.Rizzo said:https://theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/05/west-ham-karren-brady-stadium-move
"We have the best stadium – there are some great stadiums in this country but there is only one Olympic Stadium and it’s ours." - Karren Brady
Sorry, I thought it still belonged to us?1 -
My thoughts exactlyrandy andy said:
Don't be silly. The deal is deliberately structured so that E20 go bust and West Ham can buy the ground cheap, having got us to pay for all the Westhamification first and ensured there's no pesky contractual obligations to any other users that would inconvenience West Ham in future.Rizzo said:https://theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/05/west-ham-karren-brady-stadium-move
"We have the best stadium – there are some great stadiums in this country but there is only one Olympic Stadium and it’s ours." - Karren Brady
Sorry, I thought it still belonged to us?0 -
1.Why rename it as soon as you move in then?Rizzo said:https://theguardian.com/football/2016/oct/05/west-ham-karren-brady-stadium-move
"We have the best stadium – there are some great stadiums in this country but there is only one Olympic Stadium and it’s ours." - Karren Brady
Sorry, I thought it still belonged to us?
2.It isn't yours.1 -
If E20 go bust, wouldnt more money be realised by knocking the stadium down and selling the land for development?
Also, if West Ham do end up with it they will have to pay the running costs in full - making them worse off than they are currently.0 -
Won't be able to knock it down, west ham have a 99 year lease. And it depends on the price west ham can negotiate, or already have in their contract. If over the remaining years of the lease they'd make more than the buying price than what's they'd pay in shares of being rights, catering, etc. then it could be easy to construct a scenario where west ham could buy the stadium and be better off or at least no worse off.IdleHans said:If E20 go bust, wouldnt more money be realised by knocking the stadium down and selling the land for development?
Also, if West Ham do end up with it they will have to pay the running costs in full - making them worse off than they are currently.0 -
Wow, they really are cut from the same cloth are they not, Merde and Lady Brady?
Feel like banging their heads together in an attempt to induce some sort of grasp of reality...2
