Everton agree fee for Lookman (ed. Gone)

Scoham said:

Sky Sports using my ratings for Lookman.

https://twitter.com/joeferman/status/816726454226583552

Who gave Deulofue those ratings

Most talented youngster I've seen at Charlton. Outstanding prospect

Lincsaddick said:

Covered End said:

NorthStandUltra said:

We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.

that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..

To quote Gen McAuliffe at Bastogne, "Nuts".

And that's me being polite.

cafcnick1992 said:

Most talented youngster I've seen at Charlton. Outstanding prospect

You obviously never saw Paul Walsh or lee Bowyer

Lincsaddick said:

NornIrishAddick said:

Lincsaddick said:

Covered End said:

NorthStandUltra said:

We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.

that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..

No it isn't.

Those that are boycotting are (overwhelmingly) doing so because of the regime. They see themselves returning when the regime leaves.

you know this for a fact do you ? .. will you be buying/renewing a season ticket as soon as there is a regime change, if and when that happens ? .. best you speak for yourself and not attempt to read the minds of 'the overwhelming number of boycotters'

Who are you to tell him for whom he may or may not speak? Is this the world as run by Lincs?

More to the point, by the very definition of boycott, boycotters are staying away until they come back, otherwise they're just people who've left. Why would they come back? Because the thing that's made them boycott no longer applies. Now, some may be boycotting because they didn't get enough chips, and some because they wanted to sit on the sofa, but the overwhelming number of boycotters are boycotting because of Roland and Katrien. Ergo, when those two, or perhaps just one, have or has left, these boycotters will stop boycotting.

purdis said:

Garrymanilow said:

JollyRobin said:

It's worth noting that clubs like Lyon used to start each season by putting a value next to each of their players, and selling them if it was above that value. During that time they won Ligue 1 seven times in a row.

However, despite this whenever a club came in for a player they immediately leaked or announced to the press that that player was not for sale and was invaluable to the side in order to ensure they got the price they wanted.

Now I'm not often one to lavish or even infer praise on Katrien, but I don't believe someone can be 100% wrong all of the time, so maybe this is a glimpse of shrewd business by her.

£7.5m guaranteed for a 19 year old in L1 who's only been at the club for about three years can't really be viewed as anything other than a decent sale. The most worrying thing for me is that in three years, this is the first genuinely good sale she's made. I'm glad we seem to have got a good deal but it's still a shocking track record

How many players have we sold who are as good as Ademola with as much potential?

I'm not really sure what you're asking here

AddicksAddict said:

Lincsaddick said:

NornIrishAddick said:

Lincsaddick said:

Covered End said:

NorthStandUltra said:

We've always sold our young players, what annoys me now is that we don't see these players for any length of time before they are shipped on.

Nothing more than a player farm now to line Duchatelet's pocket, absolutely despise him & Meire for what they continue to do to our club.

I've never felt so little for Charlton Athletic, thanks Roland, thanks Katrien - haven't been to The Valley for 13 months now because of you & what you are doing, held a season ticket from 1994 until last season & can honestly say, I can't ever see myself returning at any point.

Why are you on CL then, if you have no intention of ever watching Charlton at home in your lifetime ? Genuine question, assuming you're not abroad, incapacitated etc.

that is a question that could be asked of a lot on here ..

No it isn't.

Those that are boycotting are (overwhelmingly) doing so because of the regime. They see themselves returning when the regime leaves.

you know this for a fact do you ? .. will you be buying/renewing a season ticket as soon as there is a regime change, if and when that happens ? .. best you speak for yourself and not attempt to read the minds of 'the overwhelming number of boycotters'

Who are you to tell him for whom he may or may not speak? Is this the world as run by Lincs?

More to the point, by the very definition of boycott, boycotters are staying away until they come back, otherwise they're just people who've left. Why would they come back? Because the thing that's made them boycott no longer applies. Now, some may be boycotting because they didn't get enough chips, and some because they wanted to sit on the sofa, but the overwhelming number of boycotters are boycotting because of Roland and Katrien. Ergo, when those two, or perhaps just one, have or has left, these boycotters will stop boycotting.

Can you name them though?

Addicks addict
Lincsaddick original question was aimed just at the boycotters?

clb74 said:

Addicks addict
Lincsaddick original question was aimed just at the boycotters?

Is that a question or a statement? In either case, that's what I commented on.

se9addick said:

purdis said:

Alwaysneil said:

The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

Alwaysneil said:

The JBG sale rings a bell here as being a bit on the cheap side.

That would be the nearest to a poor sale but I said in terms of potential and age - JBG is in his 27th year.

Also, it is highly likely that JBG would not have left had we stayed up and the Club was forced to sell him as a knock on effect of the relegation.

Even after a successful European Championship where he excelled, Gudmundsson was a big risk for a Premiership Club as his pace is not electric so that would also have affected his market value at that time.

In potential terms, Lookman has it all and if he can sort out his final ball, the world should be his oyster.

Joe Gomez is a much better prospect than Lookman IMO.

I know Gomez can play at Premier League level, I think Lookman might be able to.

I agree with you there, but strikers go at a premium and we know Lookman can score. If he does make the grade, £10-£11,000,000 is a snip.

purdis said:

Garrymanilow said:

purdis said:

Garrymanilow said:

JollyRobin said:

It's worth noting that clubs like Lyon used to start each season by putting a value next to each of their players, and selling them if it was above that value. During that time they won Ligue 1 seven times in a row.

However, despite this whenever a club came in for a player they immediately leaked or announced to the press that that player was not for sale and was invaluable to the side in order to ensure they got the price they wanted.

Now I'm not often one to lavish or even infer praise on Katrien, but I don't believe someone can be 100% wrong all of the time, so maybe this is a glimpse of shrewd business by her.

£7.5m guaranteed for a 19 year old in L1 who's only been at the club for about three years can't really be viewed as anything other than a decent sale. The most worrying thing for me is that in three years, this is the first genuinely good sale she's made. I'm glad we seem to have got a good deal but it's still a shocking track record

How many players have we sold who are as good as Ademola with as much potential?

I'm not really sure what you're asking here

The comment was made or suggested that the Club, under KM, had a string of poor sales until this one popped up - my point is that none of those labelled under poor sales had the talent and potential of Ademola.

In terms of potential, Joe Gomez would likely take second place to Ade but after that, in terms of age, excitement value and pure potential, Ade is a class above anyone sold in his age group, and, as such, it is inaccurate to highlight a string of poor sales prior to this.

Ah, thanks. I don't think I agree with what you're saying though. Firstly, I think Gomez would figure above Lookman in terms of potential. We'll have to see how he comes back from his knee injury but in my eyes if he gets developed properly he'll be the best talent we've ever produced.

Beyond that though, your criteria are too limited. We've been the victim of countless poor sales, it doesn't matter if they're not all potential England internationals, it only matters if we got a decent fee for them relative to their ability and how much our team was weakened as a result. Yann was a terrible sale, we never should have even contemplated selling him. Three years on regardless of whether we were Championship or L1 he'd still be in our first team. Morrison on a free was a shocking sale. Cousins for £1.25m was criminal. Johann for £2.5m to a Premiership team when he was one year into a four year deal was insane; Dyche couldn't believe his luck. You can add onto that all the bloody contracts we've cancelled as well. Tucudean, Bergdych, Parzyszek, Lepoint etc all signed for fees and then paid to leave the building. I can't find a fee for Harriott anywhere but somehow I doubt it was very high.

My points is, this is the first time you can look at a fee we've received for one of our first team players under this lot and say we got a decent deal. That's a shocking place to be in after three years

AddicksAddict said:

purdis said:

Garrymanilow said:

purdis said:

Garrymanilow said:

JollyRobin said:

It's worth noting that clubs like Lyon used to start each season by putting a value next to each of their players, and selling them if it was above that value. During that time they won Ligue 1 seven times in a row.

However, despite this whenever a club came in for a player they immediately leaked or announced to the press that that player was not for sale and was invaluable to the side in order to ensure they got the price they wanted.

Now I'm not often one to lavish or even infer praise on Katrien, but I don't believe someone can be 100% wrong all of the time, so maybe this is a glimpse of shrewd business by her.

£7.5m guaranteed for a 19 year old in L1 who's only been at the club for about three years can't really be viewed as anything other than a decent sale. The most worrying thing for me is that in three years, this is the first genuinely good sale she's made. I'm glad we seem to have got a good deal but it's still a shocking track record

How many players have we sold who are as good as Ademola with as much potential?

I'm not really sure what you're asking here

The comment was made or suggested that the Club, under KM, had a string of poor sales until this one popped up - my point is that none of those labelled under poor sales had the talent and potential of Ademola.

In terms of potential, Joe Gomez would likely take second place to Ade but after that, in terms of age, excitement value and pure potential, Ade is a class above anyone sold in his age group, and, as such, it is inaccurate to highlight a string of poor sales prior to this.

If Yann wasn't a poor sale, i don't know what is. Compounded, of course, by the signing of Pete for twice what we got for Yann. Where are Pete and Yann now? Only one of them is doing the business in the Championship.

You've opened up an old wound there and made me wince - I'd shut that terrible event out of my mind.

Funny but I always felt Yann was still not giving us everything, such was his talent.

Will never forget when he came back to The Valley for Reading and scored twice as a , "Here's what you've let go" comment.

Point taken but overall, we haven't had a string of quality players to sell at all , let alone poorly.

I was sorry to see Diarra and Fanni go, tbh.