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Shrewsbury v Charlton - Post Match Views
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PWR on the coach home, it's become so depressing and the football so disjointed of late I'm struggling to even be able to judge player marks out of 10 because players usually have so much time and space on the ball when they attack us and our attacks constantly break down. Not just tonight though.
The tight defence we had has gone and Holmes hattrick aside we offered very little attacking threat - again.
Never have I longed to hear Curbs tell us we're going back to basics in training and then grind out a 1-0 win next game.
I will confess I couldn't take much more of the boredom of Curbs last 2 or 3 seasons, bright starts to a season with a faltering end, I think at one stage we managed to draw three 0-0 games consecutively at home in the Prem years being bored witless. What I wouldn't give to have that stability back on and off the pitch. Never have I missed Curbs so much as I do right now.
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Mate, I know how you feel.Blinkant said:Well we're on our way back and I think that might be me done with Charlton all together. Haven't been to the valley for over 3 years but went to most away games. I really can't take this crap anymore.
Wife is due to give birth to a little lad in the next few weeks and always wanted to bring him up as a Charlton fan. Dress him up in everything Charlton and take him along to the games every week. It was going to be our Father son thing to do.
The way it's going there won't be a Charlton to support in a few years and definitely not one like the one i grew up supporting. I might feel better in the morning. Maybe it's the drink.
My son was born a few months after we left the Valley to go to Sellout. I had always dreamed of being able to take him to the Valley, as my dad did with me.
At the time, that seemed impossible. But six years later we were both at the first game back at the Valley.
So don't despair. Keep those dreams alive. Remember, you and he will be here long after Douchbag and Squirrel Face have gone.10 -
Scoham said:
Throw the players under the bus. Stay classy, Karl.5 -
@SDAddick
Noted your spirited defence of him early in the match thread, and thought you made some good points. So your analysis of who is really "not fit to wear the shirt" is all the more damning.1 -
The post-match from Robinson worth a listen to. One of the stranger ones. Not sure how he can face the squad he has to work with for the rest of the season after what he said.
"I only wish I could be honest and tell you how deep some of the problems are. It can't be six or seven managers. It can't be the lack of funds. At some point the players have to stand up and be counted. This only confirms what I knew. For too long too many people have ducked bullets and it's been the managers who have got it in the neck. We (the managers) have to take blame but we don't go out on the pitch."6 -
He has been busy throwing them under the bus - interesting that he was suggesting it's nothing to do with the change of managers and the ownership (which, to me, help determine the players we have).0
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I wonder what was said after the audio cut out.
If he ever had it, he'll have lost the dressing room now.4 -
Why are we panicking when we have a game in hand?Callumcafc said:Says it all..
Chill out everybody (runs for cover).4 -
Every post-match he says the same thing: “I wish I could be honest and speak about how big some of the problems are" but he never does, and he never seems to get pressed on it by the journos...Scoham said:Full interview here
As to the question 'what can you do to change it?' - his answer 'nothing, nothing... nothing'. Jeez, sounds like he's long since lost the dressing room and he might not last the week - which at least spares us from his big nostalgia trip and 750 media interviews when we play MK in a few weeks.
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PWR was at the game.
@AFKABartram is right, we're free falling and are in genuine danger of another relegation unless there are major changes from the ownership down.
Robinson is tactically inept. We didn't look in the game from kick-off and never deserved to be 2-1 up. Both goals absolute screamers from Holmes. We hadn't created a single chance before that.
There is no midfield. There is no ball winner. No Mark Kinsella. No Scott Parker. No one willing to take any responsibility in midfield.
I was also at the Rochdale game. A game in which our back four continually pressed high and got caught out with quick, direct balls in behind them on the counter attack which cost us goals against. Exactly the same happened for three of Shrewsbury's goals tonight. We're not good enough or quick enough to press that high and then recover from losing possession to stop basic counter attacking football. Robinson has no answer to that. He's asking Tex, Konsa, Jackson at left back and Crofts to do that. No chance.
If not for Rudd, we could've conceded 6 or 7 tonight. No exaggeration.
Robinson spent the last five minutes of the game with his arms folded on the touchline looking as clueless as his team. He then scarpered down the tunnel with Barker as soon as the final whistle went leaving his players to face up to the fans who have spent good money to get there, not to mention time off work. Cowards.
I'm not one for changing managers every five minutes but we're going backwards with this chancer. Duchatelet has to go but so does Robinson or League Two is a very real possibility.23 -
We know what problem is Karl. We've been suffering it for the last 3 years you thick c**t.12
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Aw Prague any compliment from you warms my little heart.PragueAddick said:@SDAddick
Noted your spirited defence of him early in the match thread, and thought you made some good points. So your analysis of who is really "not fit to wear the shirt" is all the more damning.
It's not that I'm not critical of him, it's that I think some of the criticism he takes is both over the top and not really football related. I think at the end of the season, or at the end of his tenure, whichever comes first, we can pick over the bones of his time as manager. But the criticisms right now range from Robinson is fat and scouse to we have a poor team to Robinson is awful to the formation is right/wrong and beyond, and to me that says things are not solely his fault.
As an aside, I really, really recommend listening to all of the BBC interview, because there's a really interesting moment at the 5:55 mark. That is worthy of its own post.
On Robinson, when asked at the :40 mark "What can you do?" and he responds "Nothing," to me that's a death knell. To be fair to him, he alludes at deeper problems within the playing staff which I think many of us have long suspected. He also outlines some of the things they "worked on," most of which was "show them onto their weaker foot." But if he feels like he isn't, or can't, get his message across. If something is broken, then he should go.
He falls back on that old awful cliche at the 1:00 minute mark of "maybe some of them don't have the balls." This is a particular pet peeve of mine: I do not care about "balls." I care about technique. I care about focus. I care about discipline. And those seem to be the things we are desperately lacking. And I know the whole "show me you have the bollocks for this" is a motivational technique designed by many managers who left school at 16 and have only a cursory understanding of psychology. And it's used to motivate men, aged 18-32, who also left school at 16 and who may not respond to more nuanced techniques. But it's base and if that's what he's resorting to, then he has run out of ideas. Putting everything else aside, at its most basic, it seems things aren't working for him and that probably means he should go. And everything about this interview screams desperation at his circumstance.23 -
I was there. Each goal conceded was from our attacking possesion. No midfield cover or work from anyone when possession lost. Pathetic and a little embarrassing too. One dimensional (lack of) tactics and apathy from players acting like they're not bothered it's all going to shit in front of them. Only Ricky chased back and closed down, even after his hat trick he still tried. Can't say that of anyone else. Fuming. Listened to fat scouser's interview on here, that has not cheered me either. Tosser. Ball was over the line was it? Oh, that's it solved then. Twat!5
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I'm just glad that 'I know what the problem is' Karl Robinson is in charge. Imagine we had someone who didn't know what it is? Is the league still waiting for Charlton to go on a run I wonder?
That latest interview is about as bad an interview I have heard from a Charlton manager. The players may deserve it but everyone knows that with the power they hold nowadays if you come out to the press and chuck them under a bus you are a dead man walking...even more so when he then effectively names Tex by talking about ex Champions League players. He then states there is nothing, nothing, nothing he can do about it to turn it around. Jeez.
I read on a self proclaimed 'pro Charlton board' earlier in their pre match thread that they would be delighted with a point against an inform Shrewsbury team. Jesus wept, how we have fallen!2 -
Robinson can do one. He is to blame, whether he likes it or not.0
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He hints at embedded problems but apart from the off-pitch tossers, most of the 1st squad only arrived 6 months ago and he has excused JJ, he recalled Watt and Rojo is down the pub. Doubt he includes Solly who has been captain, the coaches are all new so who does he mean? Just a scouse bullshitter. Is he related to Tony Bellew?8
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Nobody at the cloob has done their homework for the past 3 years. That would be far too sensible.Mark_West49 said:
I remember watching a BBC interview with KR post MK, in which he said that, in the end, the players weren't playing for him... six months on and history repeats itself. If they weren't playing for him at MK, why sign JFC and try to go after several more?Scoham said:
And why, after the exhaustive interview with Robinson in Paris, did Roland decide to employ a manager fixated with 4-2-3-1 when we didn't have the players to play that system? Sounds like nobody at the cloob did their homework properly before they appointed him.
Ironic if Ajose's goals turn Swindon's fortunes around and they overtake us: fitting too if Slade's relegated Coventry take three points off us and seal our fate in L2.
Never mind the players, Gobshite isn't fit to wear the badge either - and, as for Meire, well, you couldn't make it up coulv you?
It's been more a case of make do & mend whenever possible and feck the consequences ...
....because despite all their whining pleas for their customers to excuse the mistakes they've made & give them another chance, THIS is the last chance saloon. And they couldn't give a damn.
We are indeed a total laughing stock.
And we're rapidly losing the stalwarts that state they'll support the team through thick & thin. Desperate times indeed for everyone except the regime (spit!)
I honestly don't know what to do for the best now....do I continue to buy tickets for every match that I'm able to attend or do I make the huge decision ( for me) to walk away like so many others until they sling their hook ?
There'll be a lot of discussion to, from and in Belgium this coming weekend & hopefully, by the time we make our way to The Valley on Tuesday evening ( I already have a ticket) I'll have my head sorted. But I am fearful of yet another desperately disappointing match to endure - I can't see any way back from the abyss we're falling into at speed.
CARD, B20 & WAR are singing from the same hymn sheet but we need to swell our ranks and make Saturday's Unity Protest the beginning of the end for these criminals that have truly committed the biggest crime possible in the football world.
The cold blooded , premeditated murder of a football club.20 -
The way we are going, relegation is around the corner with out current crock of shit. No win in 7. Includes losses to Shrewsbury and Bury as well as dropped points to Fleetwood, Rochdale and Wimbledon. We are 6 points off of relegation and three of the teams below us have games in hand! We are shockingly bad.Exiled_Addick said:
Oh dear, the first post suggesting we should just put out a team of kids cos they supposedly care more. Another sure sign that relegation is just around the corner.RugbyAddick said:I listened to the game on the radio. Amazing how a man that conceded 4 goals was our second best player after hat-trick Holmes. That's no disrespect to Rudd as it sounded as if he was playing without a defence.
Robinson HAS to go - but he won't as he's eaten Katrien Meire who is still able to talk from inside KR.
Team vs NTFC should be;
Rudd,
Barnes, Bauer, Konsa, Lapslie
Holmes, Dijksteel, Jackson, Aribo,
KAG and Kennedy (recall him)
The regular, gutless, shabolic pros can fuck right off. At least the above team will give 100% without even having to ask them. If they lose, who cares as it's surely not about what happens on the pitch now. We NEED to get the Belgians out. They are destroying everything.1 -
Some players not fit to wear the shirt. The gobshite Karl abuse is very poor taste imo, should take some blame but the owner + players should take much more stick0
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Was at the game.
Very entertaining game for my neutral mates, and three outstanding strikes for our goals.
Crowd nowhere near as toxic as I was expecting.
We do go all 'headless chicken' when we are chasing and the players body language suggests relegation battle if definitely on the cards. Especially at the final whistle.
Too many of our players are simply lightweight.
We lost most 50/50 challenges. No drive or passion.
But what really buttered my swede was the pathetic inability of our players to trap and control the ball. After a dozen examples I stopped counting, but these are 10 yard passes, not Hoddle-esque long range sprays.
Second half we must has lost half a dozen attacking threats with control any professional should be ashamed of.
Is that KR's fault? I dont know. But back to basics we must go.
Subs should have come on earlier - too many just looked disinterested and talentless.
Laughable really.
Still I like an unlit, flooded railway underpass so it wasnt all bad.
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Me again, I'm afraid.
I've just listened to KR in the Radio London link on here & couldn't bite my tongue ( well, fingers)
I have never heard so much baloney spoken in all my 68 years ! I normally don't pay much attention to managers' interviews but tonight my interest was somehow sparked....
All I heard was excuses, blame, excuses, blame & more excuses. Ah, yes, with one, maybe being generous, two mentions of the fact that the manager & his coaching staff must hold their hands up too.
The over riding raison d'etre for his bleating was to make it abundantly clear that everything is the players' fault. He's already thinking of his next job offer IMHO although he'll be lucky, if anyone has listened to his rambling tonight.
So, we have players too big for their boots, do we ? That's apart from Holmesy, JJ and presumably the 2 young guns that started tonight. Who does that leave then, Robbo ? What about the players YOU brought in to the squad...presumably you're not pointing the finger at them ? Tex, maybe ? Well, I'm damned sure he's rather be somewhere else but of course the length of his contract & apparently very high wage for L1 may have something to do with that. And although he's ( fortunately?) not fit at present, Rojo is another case in point.....so who's to blame for tying up unsuitable players on stupidly long contracts, I wonder ?
A little word from Fanny in your shell like, Karl.
If you hadn't done so at 7.45pm tonight, you've lost the dressing room now, old fruit.
It's not the players you should be pointing your finger at.
It's the ethos and sickness that has permeated our famous football club , stifling ambition, desire and hope for the past 3 years. You and your squad are the latest victims. We, the fans have done our best to stay positive but sadly are finding it almost impossible. Depression is setting in all around the club.
There is only one direction to point that finger.
Surely you don't need me to elaborate....!23 -
Fanny Fanackapan said:
I read your posts about the Junior Reds & the matchday mascots a few months ago and, although you might say that those things are peripheral to the actual football on the pitch, I thought yours and others' feelings pretty much summed up the overall sad state of the cloob and the extent to which KM has systematically dismantled everything the true supporters believed in and cared about. Paradoxically, I happened on the crass youtube video of Katie showing off the fan's sofa the other day, which highlights just how inept her approach has been. So, in that sense, to answer your question, I think it's great that you and many others are making the trip to Belgium to fight for something you truly believe in... that is much more of an 'investment' in the future of the club than giving £5/10/20 to Roland for a matchday ticket could ever be (although ultimately, obviously, it's individual choice as to whether anyone gives Roland their $ or not).Mark_West49 said:
Nobody at the cloob has done their homework for the past 3 years. That would be far too sensible.Scoham said:
It's been more a case of make do & mend whenever possible and feck the consequences ...
....because despite all their whining pleas for their customers to excuse the mistakes they've made & give them another chance, THIS is the last chance saloon. And they couldn't give a damn.
We are indeed a total laughing stock.
And we're rapidly losing the stalwarts that state they'll support the team through thick & thin. Desperate times indeed for everyone except the regime (spit!)
I honestly don't know what to do for the best now....do I continue to buy tickets for every match that I'm able to attend or do I make the huge decision ( for me) to walk away like so many others until they sling their hook ?
There'll be a lot of discussion to, from and in Belgium this coming weekend & hopefully, by the time we make our way to The Valley on Tuesday evening ( I already have a ticket) I'll have my head sorted. But I am fearful of yet another desperately disappointing match to endure - I can't see any way back from the abyss we're falling into at speed.
CARD, B20 & WAR are singing from the same hymn sheet but we need to swell our ranks and make Saturday's Unity Protest the beginning of the end for these criminals that have truly committed the biggest crime possible in the football world.
The cold blooded , premeditated murder of a football club.
Good luck in Belgium4 -
KR sounds unstable and like someone Roland can no longer trust to speak in public.
I think he only talked for so long in that interview so the coach would go without him and he could get a cab straight back to Liverpool.4 -
I'm a returning supporter this year after many many years away,yes I know how it must sound,but the tickets were cheap and I thought it a good father/son bonding thing. I was there around the Selhurst era,when crowds were pitiful ,and Charlton didn't have a ground ,but they had spirit and a "us against the world" mentality.But now it's all so dark, a feeling of hopelessness surrounds the club,the thought of an away day match at Hayes Lane doesn't seem ridiculous ATM.Very sad.3
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Just home.
Can't defend, no plan, just seemed to roll over at the end.0 -
At the match,
Too painful to go through all their goals, shambolic defending with two make do full backs and two CBs who looked like they'd never played together.
Defending so we are told, starts at the front however it's a shame we didn't hold the ball up a bit more then, Magennis is nowhere near the player after his injury. Novak well, is Novak but he did assist Ricky for the first of his hat trick which he smashed into the right hand postage stamp to draw us level at 1-1. Ricky then gave us the lead 2-1 just before half time despatching a free kick this time into the left hand postage stamp.
Not sure, apart from Crofts doing his best, what midfield were doing to provide the back four with any sort of cover, it was like a knife through butter all game. Magennis lost the ball just outside their box they broke and 2-2.
Their third goal was total schoolboy stuff as they scored from our corner on the break 3 against our 1 player, I can't say defender because it was Byrne 3-2. One player ffs, I was always taught a minimum of two stay back.
Ricky hadn't finished however as he decided to stake a claim for the match ball, converting a KAG cut back for 3-3. Yes, me thinks, my unbeaten run on the road continues but no, JJ, KAG, Crofts and Tex who at least tried to up the fella who had run half the length of the pitch then across our 18 yard box to set up their winner, put the kybosh on that.
Ricky Holmes didn't deserve to be on the losing side but with little resistance behind him the outcome was inevitable.
Slade was boring and negative Robinson is far too expansive and needs to go back to basics by getting the team to defend properly as a unit. Too many out there tonight were happy to perform on the ball but were either not prepared to dig in and do the ugly stuff or just incapable of it.
Six goals from the last two away games and only one point to show for it is just diabolical.
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Was that really the best team he could pick? I looked at it at 3am (woke up, couldn't get back to sleep, nothing to do with the excitement of Shrewsbury v Charlton) and that was my thought. It was 0-1 at the time and I'd resigned myself to a defeat or a 1-1 at absolute best.
Where is Chicksen? One poor game and he doesn't even make the bench thereafter. KR is obviously unable to get anything out of Watt (no surprise there). JJ at LB would only work with a defensive minded left midfielder and Botaka doesn't fit that bill.
3 points during that all-important February. I'm glad it only has 28 days.0 -
If it was the last game of the season and KR came out with that interview (I've seriously never heard anything quite like it to be honest), then fine - I'd have no problem with it. He can then ship off the players he doesn't want.
However, he has come out and absolutely decimated the players whilst we are in the middle of a crisis that we need to urgently turn around.
Publicly saying 40% of the squad is not fit to play for this club and calling them "dead wood" is fucking atrocious management! How on earth does he think this is going to help anything?
He has just made his already difficult job twice as hard than it needed to be.
Take some responsibility of your own like proper leaders do!15
