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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    MrOneLung said:

    Looks like he is just scared to me.

    You could be right. But we don't know for certain.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    "Angry, confused young people lash out after avoidable disaster" would appear to be the story here, if you believe the right-wing press.

    It isn't. The disaster is still the story.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,220
    AFKABartram said:

    Fear this is going to get ugly over the weekend.

    Just heard one protester saying people are coming from all over the country, saw a tweet earlier echoing that from another calling for back up. Last thing this needs is the anarchy anti-capitalist rent a mob jumping on it.

    What a shit couple of months

    I think Fish talks rubbish sometimes but travelling from all over the country to protest outside his house is a bit OTT
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,849
    Leuth said:

    "Angry, confused young people lash out after avoidable disaster" would appear to be the story here, if you believe the right-wing press.

    It isn't. The disaster is still the story.

    People have a right to be angry but how many of these are part of the rent a mob brigade?

    I see the SWP have been out in force today.

    They need time to fully look into this, no point rushing the investigation.

    Obviously priority must be to rehouse these people.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Callumcafc said:

    Haven't seen it officially reported anywhere that he was a council worker, although that doesn't excuse violence.

    One picture that's been missed is the one where the guy in the suit is angrily shouting at protestors.

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    Not sure what the full story is here but that hasn't stopped Daily Express and the like jumping a few selective pictures and portraying just one side as violent.

    How's he being violent?

    The bloke is being confronted by a yob masked up to presumably hide his identity and some muppet who think it's ideal to wear a fur lined parka on the hottest day of the year.

    I suspect a few shops in K&C will be boarding up their windows this weekend as the righteous are on their way down to the smoke.

    Of course, they'll make sure everything is resolved, with their unique style of putting the World to rights.
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    Just spent the evening with a couple of friends I have known for the best part of 25 years in the beautiful sunshine of a lovely beer garden in London. All was normal for us, catching up, reminiscing about old times etc when one of my friends got quite emotional which is unusual from a group of 3 chaps.

    Anyway, turns out a good friend/work colleague of his is one of the "faces" in the press currently, almost certainly deceased with his young family and friends in this tragic accident. As he talked about the man I realised he was someone I had met on several ossasions and a genuinely decent man.

    even more gutted than I already was tonight, not that I knew the chap well but for my mate and all his colleagues.

    Point scoring, protests and all that crap seems completely out of place when we should leave people to grieve, wait for the outcome of investigations and then ensure changes are made when we know what they need to be.

    Going to spend this Father's Day with my kids fully understanding how lucky I am.

  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    edited June 2017
    Addickted said:

    Callumcafc said:

    Haven't seen it officially reported anywhere that he was a council worker, although that doesn't excuse violence.

    One picture that's been missed is the one where the guy in the suit is angrily shouting at protestors.

    image

    Not sure what the full story is here but that hasn't stopped Daily Express and the like jumping a few selective pictures and portraying just one side as violent.

    How's he being violent?

    The bloke is being confronted by a yob masked up to presumably hide his identity and some muppet who think it's ideal to wear a fur lined parka on the hottest day of the year.

    I suspect a few shops in K&C will be boarding up their windows this weekend as the righteous are on their way down to the smoke.

    Of course, they'll make sure everything is resolved, with their unique style of putting the World to rights.
    The bloke is being confronted? How do we know who confronted who? The guy's face doesn't exactly tell me he was saying "let's have a cuddle".
  • swords_alive
    swords_alive Posts: 4,260
    Interesting comments on newsnight last night from an experienced solicitor. Suggests government very hasty to pledge public inquiry but this will save them being cross examined under the inquest route; Comments captured in this short video extract-

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/grenfell-tower-fire-inquest-public-inquiry-theresa-may-government-hide-deaths-kensington-london-a7792891.html
  • clb74
    clb74 Posts: 10,824
    Callumcafc said:

    Addickted said:

    Callumcafc said:

    Haven't seen it officially reported anywhere that he was a council worker, although that doesn't excuse violence.

    One picture that's been missed is the one where the guy in the suit is angrily shouting at protestors.

    image

    Not sure what the full story is here but that hasn't stopped Daily Express and the like jumping a few selective pictures and portraying just one side as violent.

    How's he being violent?

    The bloke is being confronted by a yob masked up to presumably hide his identity and some muppet who think it's ideal to wear a fur lined parka on the hottest day of the year.

    I suspect a few shops in K&C will be boarding up their windows this weekend as the righteous are on their way down to the smoke.

    Of course, they'll make sure everything is resolved, with their unique style of putting the World to rights.
    The bloke is being confronted? How do we know who confronted who? The guy's face doesn't exactly tell me he was saying "let's have a cuddle".
    You can't see his face it's masked up
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong people here. I'm not by any means happy with the actions of those blokes who have possibly thrown water at him and/or tried to trip him. That's completely unnecessary behaviour by some nasty opportunists.

    But there are thousands of others who are trying to make their voices heard peacefully.

    Still, the focus is drifting from the real story onto a few numpties who tried to trip a bloke they may or may not have had an argument with.
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  • Bournemouth Addick
    Bournemouth Addick Posts: 16,283
    ValleyGary said:

    Callumcafc said:

    ValleyGary said:

    Council worker been attacked by a load of scumbags outside waiting.

    Where'd you read that?
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    Who is that on the wanted poster, does anyone know?
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    Callumcafc said:

    Maybe I'm focusing on the wrong people here. I'm not by any means happy with the actions of those blokes who have possibly thrown water at him and/or tried to trip him. That's completely unnecessary behaviour by some nasty opportunists.

    But there are thousands of others who are trying to make their voices heard peacefully.

    Still, the focus is drifting from the real story onto a few numpties who tried to trip a bloke they may or may not have had an argument with.

    Water eh?

    You sure?

  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
    Bournemouth Addick said:

    ValleyGary said:

    Callumcafc said:

    ValleyGary said:

    Council worker been attacked by a load of scumbags outside waiting.

    Where'd you read that?
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    Who is that on the wanted poster, does anyone know?
    Apparently it's Robert Black, CEO of KCTMO.
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    edited June 2017
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
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  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,314
    About half my flags came about during an argument over bottled mineral water that also involved a rowdy crowd and ethnic tension. They say the wars of the future will be over water - perhaps it is already the future ;)
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    You certainly know how to party Leuth.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited June 2017
    We have to stop the potential riots. They won't help! Just saw the Prime Minister's interview on newsnight - that won't help. It sounded like she was talking to the electorate rather than the victims. What should have happened was within a few hours of teh disaster, a team of support workers should have been sent in with all the resources they needed to support the residents. Assurances needed to be given - not in Westeminster we'll get down to it speak, but what is happening now.

    It needs to be happening now on the streets - money no object. Then maybe somebody they might listen to like Corbyn or community leaders who are respected may help by going there and urging calm. We need to get through the next few days without incident and then hopefully this wont escalate further.

    I think the media are not helping here either - they are intruding. This has to be managed with common sense and compassion and quickly.
  • Anna_Kissed
    Anna_Kissed Posts: 3,302
    An emotional and angry David Lammy MP, on Channel 4 News this evening.
    "You can't contract out everything to the private sector".
    https://channel4.com/news/david-lammy-mp-remembers-friend-grenville-tower-fire-london
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  • NomadicAddick
    NomadicAddick Posts: 2,114
    edited June 2017
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  • NomadicAddick
    NomadicAddick Posts: 2,114
    Anna_Kissed said:

    An emotional and angry David Lammy MP, on Channel 4 News this evening.
    "You can't contract out everything to the private sector".
    https://channel4.com/news/david-lammy-mp-remembers-friend-grenville-tower-fire-london

    We don't.
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,039
    NomadicAddick said:

    Anna_Kissed said:

    An emotional and angry David Lammy MP, on Channel 4 News this evening.
    "You can't contract out everything to the private sector".
    https://channel4.com/news/david-lammy-mp-remembers-friend-grenville-tower-fire-london

    We don't.
    Some people want to though.
  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,977
    se9addick said:

    Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?

    Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,034
    ValleyGary said:

    se9addick said:

    Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?

    Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
    Sure thing, address below, see you boys there (if you could make sure it's Highland Spring that would be appreciated);

    Makro Car Park
    Anchor & Hope Business Park
    Anchor & Hope Lane
    Charlton
    SE7 7RZ
  • hoof_it_up_to_benty
    hoof_it_up_to_benty Posts: 22,443
    ValleyGary said:

    se9addick said:

    Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?

    Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
    At least the guy's still alive. I'm unclear why such a minor incident is allowed to deflect from the tragedy in question.

  • ValleyGary
    ValleyGary Posts: 37,977
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    ValleyGary said:

    se9addick said:

    Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?

    Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
    At least the guy's still alive. I'm unclear why such a minor incident is allowed to deflect from the tragedy in question.

    Any normal thinking human being wants answers and those responsible in allowing this to happen punished. The victims and families affected have a right to be angry, but kicking council workers isn't gonna solve anything and neither is a mob turning up making it even worse.
  • WSS
    WSS Posts: 25,070
    edited June 2017
    hoof_it_up_to_benty said:

    ValleyGary said:

    se9addick said:

    Throwing bottled mineral water over someone, when will the nightmare end?

    Send me your address and a few of my masked mates will wait outside till you come out, we'll all get in your face, chuck some water over you and one of us will volley the back of your legs, see how you get on.
    At least the guy's still alive. I'm unclear why such a minor incident is allowed to deflect from the tragedy in question.

    As tragic and unbelievably sad it is I don't think it excuses complete dickish behaviour.

    Smashing into council offices and being aggressive resulting in town halls being evacuated is only going to hamper efforts to get people rehoused etc.

    We've seen the peaceful demonstrations, marches and vigils that are well intentioned but violence and physical aggression should be off the table full stop. Unfortunately there is a militant element of our society who will use any tragedy to push their agendas with force.
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    edited June 2017
    i use to work with a chap who was in the SWP.when he knew i was from Kidbrooke he tells me he knows the area as he attended marches re Stephen Lawrence organised from Sheffield -----ironic that he is now working in the council building that was attacked !

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