Primary school, California. 100 shots fired. 4 reported dead, plus shooter. When will it stop? When will they see sense?
Just another day in Paradise. I expect the gun lobby to say that if the school children were armed then they could have stopped the gunmen before he killed anyone. Trump will also say that primary school kids are now going to learn how to shoot & will have a lesson a week on the rifle range.
Primary school, California. 100 shots fired. 4 reported dead, plus shooter. When will it stop? When will they see sense?
Just another day in Paradise. I expect the gun lobby to say that if the school children were armed then they could have stopped the gunmen before he killed anyone. Trump will also say that primary school kids are now going to learn how to shoot & will have a lesson a week on the rifle range.
Didn't make the front page of bbc online. Sadly it's an everyday thing now, not newsworthy.
Primary school, California. 100 shots fired. 4 reported dead, plus shooter. When will it stop? When will they see sense?
Just another day in Paradise. I expect the gun lobby to say that if the school children were armed then they could have stopped the gunmen before he killed anyone. Trump will also say that primary school kids are now going to learn how to shoot & will have a lesson a week on the rifle range.
I know this is intended as satire, but there have been calls from the fun lobby to arm teachers and the whole kids being taught to shoot thing is not that far fetches.
Primary school, California. 100 shots fired. 4 reported dead, plus shooter. When will it stop? When will they see sense?
Just another day in Paradise. I expect the gun lobby to say that if the school children were armed then they could have stopped the gunmen before he killed anyone. Trump will also say that primary school kids are now going to learn how to shoot & will have a lesson a week on the rifle range.
I know this is intended as satire, but there have been calls from the fun lobby to arm teachers and the whole kids being taught to shoot thing is not that far fetches.
Maybe not murder in the strictest sense of the word but there must surely be a criminal charge of some kind that can be laid against this totally incompetent, shameful, inadequate arsehole. I hope the victims family have the courage and strength to follow this up, they must surely be utterly devastated, the poor guy was scared shitless and was in pieces. I would imagine there are civil rights lawyers literally queuing up to take this further.....I sincerely hope so.
If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him. Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.
If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him. Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.
First degree murder. Plain and simple. After shooting him he just carried on as if nothing had happened.
The man is a obviously a psychopath.
Couldn’t agree more. It’s murder, there is no two ways about it. It’s horrible and really upsetting. There is no excuse as to why they couldn’t just arrest him whilst he is clearly terrified laying on the floor.
Something needs to be done in the US because it’s beyond anything and has been for a long, long time.
If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him. Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.
You wonder what goes into police training if the officer is giving the man so many orders which clearly confuse the man who has an automatic rifle pointed at him and being told he will die if he does the wrong thing. Apparently the officer also used his own weapon which had “you’re fired” etched into the barrel in a previous case.
If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him. Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.
You wonder what goes into police training if the officer is giving the man so many orders which clearly confuse the man who has an automatic rifle pointed at him and being told he will die if he does the wrong thing. Apparently the officer also used his own weapon which had “you’re fired” etched into the barrel in a previous case.
I'm not defending the Officer in this case or the judgement. Just pointing out the frankly silly comments that get trotted out time and time again by people who's usual biggest risk at work is getting a paper cut.
If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him. Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.
I think we should be able to hold armed police to a higher standard than the 'average person'
I'm confident if this happened in the UK or Europe it would be dealt with differently. Giving the bloke various instructions and then kneeling with your hands in the air is stupid. Surely lying on the floor with your hands down prevents him from potentially grabbing a gun, then another officer cuffs him. Anywhere else in the world there would be outrage at this shooting.
If he thought he was reaching for a gun why not shoot him in the arm to stop him. Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.
Sorry, whilst I agree I don't think this killing is justified and the Officer should be punished, your sentiment is said time and time again by people with no experience of guns or being in a percieved life or death situation. The average person isn't an accurate shot especially in the heat of the moment when adrenaline is pumping. Why do you think people are trained to aim for the torso to take someone down? Because it's the biggest part of the body and easier to hit. Why do you see so many incidents of people, including trained professionals, standing close to each exchanging fire and keep missing? I guarantee that if you were actually in a situation where you thought someone might be about to kill you, you wouldn't think about aiming for their arm.
I think we should be able to hold armed police to a higher standard than the 'average person'
In general yes but in the heat of the reality even the best trained shooters, including highly experienced soldiers, miss. This should be accounted for and it is. The Westminster attacker was apparently hit once but there was at least two shots fired by the Officer, it happens. As I said I'm not defending the Officers choice to shoot the bloke, just criticising the "shoot them in the arm" brigade.
I'm confident if this happened in the UK or Europe it would be dealt with differently. Giving the bloke various instructions and then kneeling with your hands in the air is stupid. Surely lying on the floor with your hands down prevents him from potentially grabbing a gun, then another officer cuffs him. Anywhere else in the world there would be outrage at this shooting.
I agree. The main thing I take from it is that the police officer needs to be in control of the situation & that means being calm & making any suspect calm. It wouldn't have taken much for another police officer to handcuff him before making him stand-up.The poor lad hadn't run or made any sign of being aggressive or non-obedient. In the same situation I would wonder who it was pointing a semi automatic at me & barking orders at me & like the poor lad would feel nervous & unsure what is going on. The police officer should be taken off any duties that involve firearms & be given anger management lessons.
Comments
100 shots fired.
4 reported dead, plus shooter.
When will it stop?
When will they see sense?
Sadly it's an everyday thing now, not newsworthy.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/8/16752914/police-arizona-philip-brailsford-daniel-shaver
How the officer got acquitted is beyond me... Murica I guess.
Lots of shouting and anger probably confused the guy, you would like to think that the police would remain calm in these instances.
I hope the victims family have the courage and strength to follow this up, they must surely be utterly devastated, the poor guy was scared shitless and was in pieces.
I would imagine there are civil rights lawyers literally queuing up to take this further.....I sincerely hope so.
The man is a obviously a psychopath.
Absolutely no excuse for killing the man.
Something needs to be done in the US because it’s beyond anything and has been for a long, long time.
Cannot believe that anyone can be defending or excusing the murderer. It's not a computer game for fucks sake.
Land of the free? - yeah right.
Home of the brave? - as long as you're armed to the teeth.
God help America.
Be vigilant @i_b_b_o_r_g
Giving the bloke various instructions and then kneeling with your hands in the air is stupid.
Surely lying on the floor with your hands down prevents him from potentially grabbing a gun, then another officer cuffs him.
Anywhere else in the world there would be outrage at this shooting.