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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948

    JamesSeed said:



    2) RD agreed to take on their debt (effectively clearing it from them and transferring to himself) and paid a notional fee for the club.

    Both are effectively the same just approaching from a different angle. They leave the same end product. The purchase price is part of the 55million not additional to it.

    Okay, let's say your point 2, above, is correct.

    Since the last reports stated the debt upon purchase in Jan, 2014 was £21.6M, and that amount is apparently still on the books, we can assume the total enterprise value of the club was at least that amount, even if he paid only one pound for the club, itself. Do you agree? Yes or no.

    Second, since the current debt is now at minimum, £55.6M, if he sells for more than the £21.6M, even if he takes a haircut, then the club's enterprise value went UP despite relegation. Do you agree? Yes or no.

    Finally, if he gets £55.6M or more for the club, then it means he has profited. Do you agree? Yes or no?

    If I am wrong on any of these 3 points, please explain.


    As ever, Charlton would make a great case study for anyone studying Corporate Law, accountancy, or criminal psychology.
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  • oldbloke
    oldbloke Posts: 931
    bad news the takeover isn't as close as portrayed last week so your all sentenced to 100 more pages of drivel.
  • T_C_E
    T_C_E Posts: 16,418
    Napa, packing his bags for a holiday in England! ;)image
  • Dippenhall
    Dippenhall Posts: 3,919
    I’m not qualified in any way but surely the flaw in @NapaAddick analysis is assuming that the equity value is £14m. It’s irrelevant what the £14m represents, but in RD’s world £14m by definition is surely the Enterprise Value if that's what he paid.

    So if debt was £21.6m the value of the equity must have been minus £7.6m. That would be consistent with the valuation of the core business generating revenue less than operating costs.

    Introducing more debt and worsening the negative cash flow simply lowers the value of the equity in order to arrive at an Enterprise Value anyone would pay to inherit the existing debt given the need to invest new cash to support the core business until its fortunes were turned round.

    If you argue you cannot have zero equity value, then the Enterprise Value is entirely the debt of £55.6m which is where I suggest he is getting his sale price.

    Logically a buyer would argue that the only debt that has value is the debt which increases the share price by increasing the asset value. In this case it's how far it has succeeded in improving a negative equity valuation since RD bought the club. The rest of the debt funded operating losses and maintenance costs and has no impact apart from minor impact on asset price write down.

    I reckon @cabbles £20m is about right. £14m to buy the same debt RD bought and £6m for the added asset value from RD's further cash advances. He either takes a haircut or an annual shave that includes his scalp. It wouldn't take long for him to burn another £30m/£40m/£50m, so he might as well burn £30m now in one go and walk away.
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376

    I think I've got all this math stuff figured out now.

    This morning I had £10 in my wallet, then I bought a sandwich for £4, but I dropped it. Then I lost my wallet, with all my change in it.

    Now @NapaAddick owes me $25.

    Is that right?

    Only after you pay for an £8 haircut I think.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,651
    ozaddick said:

    I was 298 post behind. All i gleaned from skipping through was that someone on here paid 77 mill to have a threesome with Ashley Cheryl cole and LesHalle Berry. Money well spent I’d say!

  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    T_C_E said:

    Napa, packing his bags for a holiday in England! ;)image

    Dont you mean packing his Napa-sack
  • Scoham said:

    I think I've got all this math stuff figured out now.

    This morning I had £10 in my wallet, then I bought a sandwich for £4, but I dropped it. Then I lost my wallet, with all my change in it.

    Now @NapaAddick owes me $25.

    Is that right?

    Only after you pay for an £8 haircut I think.
    £8 for a haircut?!?!?!?! F*** that.
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,899

    T_C_E said:

    Napa, packing his bags for a holiday in England! ;)image

    Dont you mean packing his Napa-sack
    the less we know abouts Napas sacks the better
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  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.
  • charltonbob
    charltonbob Posts: 8,254

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    Oh oh, one of his belgian friends ? murray ?

    Mega rich ? That'll do !
  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,309

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    Has to be Murray
  • cafcwill
    cafcwill Posts: 1,286

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    That rules out probably the 3 days option

    3 weeks or 3 months.

    Though the someone Roland trusts bit fills me with dread!
  • iamdan
    iamdan Posts: 2,421
    Absolutely love settling down with a cuppa and reading what Grapevine says.
  • Missed It
    Missed It Posts: 2,733

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    Oh oh, one of his belgian friends ? murray ?

    Mega rich ? That'll do !
    Any friend of Roland's is no friend of mine!
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    J BLOCK said:

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    Has to be Murray
    Murray couldn't afford to own the club before, why would he try to buy it back?
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,126
    Scoham said:

    J BLOCK said:

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    Has to be Murray
    Murray couldn't afford to own the club before, why would he try to buy it back?
    Could be heading up a consortium. Although I doubt it.
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  • king addick
    king addick Posts: 3,699
    Meanwhile in Napa Addicks inner sanctum....
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,624

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    Only one person that old scroat trusts enough...............Ms KM.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,738
    iamdan said:

    Absolutely love settling down with a cuppa and reading what Grapevine says.

    * pot of tea.
  • Gillis
    Gillis Posts: 998
    Missed It said:

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    Oh oh, one of his belgian friends ? murray ?

    Mega rich ? That'll do !
    Any friend of Roland's is no friend of mine!


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOgCx4Et48k

  • J BLOCK
    J BLOCK Posts: 8,309
    Scoham said:

    J BLOCK said:

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    Has to be Murray
    Murray couldn't afford to own the club before, why would he try to buy it back?
    Obviously a consortium if he were to be involved, he doesn't have the cash himself.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Am I right in thinking there may be ex directors out there, due money, who are prepared to use their position to urge people to do what is best for Charlton Athletic Football Club?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,763
    edited January 2018

    Angeldust confirming what we know on the other site. 3 bids. Aussies pissed off with bidding war. One bid from someone Roland trusts and the other from mega rich but refusing to budge on what they consider is the correct price for the club. Someway to go me thinks.

    At least you tried to get the thread back on track.
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