The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Won’t happen.bobmunro said:
Non-EU/EEA immigration is and always has been at the complete control of the UK Government. We have always been able to control this. The Tier 2 (Sportsperson) Visa legislation is wholly UK law, nothing whatsoever to do with the EU, so leaving the EU has no impact on this in any way.Addickted said:
Precisely - and I would think one of the reasons why the Aussies are so interested.Henry Irving said:
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.
As from next April, we are able to form our own immigration policy outside of the EU Legislation and allow in as many ex Commonwealth immigrants - whether permanent or temporary - as we wish. I cannot see too many complaints over a small number of fit young English speaking high earning white makes being allowed in.
Pretty sure this will be seen as a back door entry into the EU by quite a few countries.
There was even talk a while ago of allowing ALL Australia, New Zealand and Canada citizens to have full rights to live and work in the UK.
Would mean the same rights for all other Commonwealth countries.
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Ffs Brexit has invaded the takeover thread.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF19 -
Never said it would happen - and in fact the idea was shelved anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
Won’t happen.bobmunro said:
Non-EU/EEA immigration is and always has been at the complete control of the UK Government. We have always been able to control this. The Tier 2 (Sportsperson) Visa legislation is wholly UK law, nothing whatsoever to do with the EU, so leaving the EU has no impact on this in any way.Addickted said:
Precisely - and I would think one of the reasons why the Aussies are so interested.Henry Irving said:
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.
As from next April, we are able to form our own immigration policy outside of the EU Legislation and allow in as many ex Commonwealth immigrants - whether permanent or temporary - as we wish. I cannot see too many complaints over a small number of fit young English speaking high earning white makes being allowed in.
Pretty sure this will be seen as a back door entry into the EU by quite a few countries.
There was even talk a while ago of allowing ALL Australia, New Zealand and Canada citizens to have full rights to live and work in the UK.
Would mean the same rights for all other Commonwealth countries.
But in terms of Tier 2 (Sportsperson) Visas the UK government could relax the eligibility criteria overnight if it chose to do so. For example - 'must hold a registration as a professional sportsperson that is recognised by the sports governing body' - no mention of x% of international games. Or it could leave it as it is or make qualification harder. My point was in refuting the claim that leaving the EU is one of the attractions to the Aussie consortium - it has no bearing whatsoever.4 -
I’ve had it with ‘experiments’......if that’s their remit they can piss off!lancashire lad said:I would guess that it will be difficult to obtain working visas for young Australians without international football experience.
We want OUR Charlton back and NOT someone else’s idea of what that should be if different from our own.
We know what it was/is, for better or for worse, we simply want our Charlton back injured and sick as it may be.
With the RIGHT people on board, we’ll nurse it back to health and get us back to what it was and should be.0 -
Queens Head in Chislehurst will have it.Henry Irving said:
Not if we leave the EU and so are no longer under those rules.cafc-west said:
Australia ranked at 40th so players have to play in 75% of games...Henry Irving said:
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.
Has anyone got Mark Fish's phone number?2 -
Were already well behind other clubs when it comes to transfer targets, we don’t even have a manager. This needs to be completed today.3
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But they are FIFA rules not EU. When we leave the EU we leave the economic area not the continent. Suspect the rules apply to Europe as a continent. In any case the UK government may implement similar rules (as they seem to want to do with many of, what were, EEC regulations and directives).Henry Irving said:
Not if we leave the EU and so are no longer under those rules.cafc-west said:
Australia ranked at 40th so players have to play in 75% of games...Henry Irving said:
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.
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" Bovvered!"J BLOCK said:Were already well behind other clubs when it comes to transfer targets, we don’t even have a manager. This needs to be completed today.
Said Roland.0 -
Imagine it is some kind of ex-colony rule to allow citizenship.Addickted said:Amazing how Belgium manage to allow in so many players from DR Congo within those EU rules.
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I presume that British Leagues can pretty much do that with any country in the world considering the amount of colonies we've hadmoutuakilla said:
Imagine it is some kind of ex-colony rule to allow citizenship.Addickted said:Amazing how Belgium manage to allow in so many players from DR Congo within those EU rules.
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I suspect the next manager already knows he is coming in and will be identifying his targets.J BLOCK said:Were already well behind other clubs when it comes to transfer targets, we don’t even have a manager. This needs to be completed today.
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No idea, no info for a long time. As for Red Bull, is that a woosh?bertpalmer said:@Redhenry are your mob definately out now or could they be tabling a last minute bid?
are Red bull Still in?1 -
Exactly the same as this country having the right to allow British citizenship to anyone who applies for it. The fact that we don’t doesn’t alter the fact that we can. It’s within this country’s control now and always has been. This nonsense that leaving the EU will influence anything is just that nonsense.moutuakilla said:
Imagine it is some kind of ex-colony rule to allow citizenship.Addickted said:Amazing how Belgium manage to allow in so many players from DR Congo within those EU rules.
Nobody including this shambling government know what our immigration policy will look like post Brexit but it sure as hell won’t be relaxed for Commonwealth countries much, if any than it is now.
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Excellent point, and one that I had completely missed.MuttleyCAFC said:
I suspect the next manager already knows he is coming in and will be identifying his targets.J BLOCK said:Were already well behind other clubs when it comes to transfer targets, we don’t even have a manager. This needs to be completed today.
I think we can deduce that Lee is not going to be our manager or someone from the consortium would surely have spoken to him. Whoever they have decided upon has probably been aware for a while and has been formulating his plans.0 -
Thanks for clarifying that @bobmunro.bobmunro said:
Never said it would happen - and in fact the idea was shelved anyway.ShootersHillGuru said:
Won’t happen.bobmunro said:
Non-EU/EEA immigration is and always has been at the complete control of the UK Government. We have always been able to control this. The Tier 2 (Sportsperson) Visa legislation is wholly UK law, nothing whatsoever to do with the EU, so leaving the EU has no impact on this in any way.Addickted said:
Precisely - and I would think one of the reasons why the Aussies are so interested.Henry Irving said:
I heard a rumour that we might be leaving the EU (although the person who told me was a bit vague on how and what would replace it).Callumcafc said:https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/footballer-work-permits/
Which players do need work permits?
Footballers from outside the EU must still obtain a work permit if they wish to play for English football clubs. Every non-EU footballer must successfully apply for a Governing Body Endorsement (GBE) with the FA before the Home Office will consider issuing a work permit.
The system has recently been tightened and now only non-EEA players who are internationally established at the highest level, and whose employment will make a significant contribution to the development of their sport at the highest level, are allowed to play in the UK. One of the reasons for the rule change was that only 58% of football players who were given work visas played any top-flight football in their second season.
What are the criteria which will be used?
Until 2015, football players needed to have played in at least 75% of their country’s senior international matches over the previous two years to play in the UK. Eligibility for a GBE now depends on a national team’s FIFA ranking, as follows:
Official FIFA Ranking / Required % of international matches in past 2 yrs
FIFA 1-10 / 30% and above
FIFA 11-20 / 45% and above
FIFA 21-30 / 60% and above
FIFA 31-50 / 75% and above
In the case of players aged 21 or under at the time of application, the period is reduced to one year. The aim is to make it easier for young, outstanding talent to grow their game in the UK.
If a club’s application is rejected, there is an appeals process. The Exceptions Panel is the appeals body which will consider, on a points based system, the player’s experience and value before deciding whether the player can join the club, regardless of their failed application. A stricter assessment of relevant objective criteria will now be applied in an appeal.
As from next April, we are able to form our own immigration policy outside of the EU Legislation and allow in as many ex Commonwealth immigrants - whether permanent or temporary - as we wish. I cannot see too many complaints over a small number of fit young English speaking high earning white makes being allowed in.
Pretty sure this will be seen as a back door entry into the EU by quite a few countries.
There was even talk a while ago of allowing ALL Australia, New Zealand and Canada citizens to have full rights to live and work in the UK.
Would mean the same rights for all other Commonwealth countries.
But in terms of Tier 2 (Sportsperson) Visas the UK government could relax the eligibility criteria overnight if it chose to do so. For example - 'must hold a registration as a professional sportsperson that is recognised by the sports governing body' - no mention of x% of international games. Or it could leave it as it is or make qualification harder. My point was in refuting the claim that leaving the EU is one of the attractions to the Aussie consortium - it has no bearing whatsoever.
So much disinformation over immigration at the moment, that it's difficult to clearly understand what the rules are!1 -
If the Australians want to bring over the very cream of their talent, I am talking 2-3 players as they think that is a way to enhance their value and make profit that could potentially be reinvested into the team then that is fine by me.
RD did not fail because of the Belgium connection, he failed because rather than sending over the likes of Batshuayi he sent us the likes of Thuram. Quality is, and always will be, the key.25 -
The best professionals Australia has to offer? Quicker to get a pint at the bars then.1
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Don't get too hung up on work permits for young Australian talent. There are 100's of non-international standard Kiwi's, Aussies, Fijians, South Africans playing rugby for money at non-premiership clubs across the country. They haven't had any problems with Visa's0
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Don’t think FIFA cover that lot._MrDick said:Don't get too hung up on work permits for young Australian talent. There are 100's of non-international standard Kiwi's, Aussies, Fijians, South Africans playing rugby for money at non-premiership clubs across the country. They haven't had any problems with Visa's
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A woosh, are you saying Nike are in with a late bid? ;Redhenry said:
No idea, no info for a long time. As for Red Bull, is that a woosh?bertpalmer said:@Redhenry are your mob definately out now or could they be tabling a last minute bid?
are Red bull Still in?
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JUST DO IT Roland!T_C_E said:
A woosh, are you saying Nike are in with a late bid? ;Redhenry said:
No idea, no info for a long time. As for Red Bull, is that a woosh?bertpalmer said:@Redhenry are your mob definately out now or could they be tabling a last minute bid?
are Red bull Still in?2 -
To be honest, the transfer window opening tomorrow means it doesn't matter if the takeover is completed today or not, we're already well behind. A well run club would have been establishing targets since the January window closed and be ready to move for them now, with back-ups for if those moves don't materialise. Unless we've had someone in stasis planning for every eventuality we're going to have to really go some to have a window as good as we would like regardless of when the takeover is completed. In the meantime I'm happy just to focus on getting the bloody takeover confirmed on 14 different websites before I worry about who's going to stand up front wondering where the service is next season3
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Not happening today. DD hasn't been done by any parties, no offers made and no offers accepted as a result.
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We will end up with Fijian footballers._MrDick said:Don't get too hung up on work permits for young Australian talent. There are 100's of non-international standard Kiwi's, Aussies, Fijians, South Africans playing rugby for money at non-premiership clubs across the country. They haven't had any problems with Visa's
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Least they will be physical bunch! Will cope with the rigors of league 1 and Shrewsbury!Cordoban Addick said:
We will end up with Fijian footballers._MrDick said:Don't get too hung up on work permits for young Australian talent. There are 100's of non-international standard Kiwi's, Aussies, Fijians, South Africans playing rugby for money at non-premiership clubs across the country. They haven't had any problems with Visa's
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How did we sign Maynard-Brewer with the Australian Work Permit issues?
Is he half-English?1 -
Why do posters think that someone from the consortium would have spoken to him....one way or the other.Redrobo said:
Excellent point, and one that I had completely missed.MuttleyCAFC said:
I suspect the next manager already knows he is coming in and will be identifying his targets.J BLOCK said:Were already well behind other clubs when it comes to transfer targets, we don’t even have a manager. This needs to be completed today.
I think we can deduce that Lee is not going to be our manager or someone from the consortium would surely have spoken to him. Whoever they have decided upon has probably been aware for a while and has been formulating his plans.
They don’t own us and are not in the position to sack him or hire him.
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Imagine you are going to take over the club any day and you want Bowyer to be the manager. What would you do?2
