Summer 2019 Transfer Rumours (ed. Pg 296 - Start of Deadline Day)

thickandthin63 said:

All this talk about players value etc.is crap,look at the best paid players in the premier league,ozil,sanchez,pogba,total waste of money,Sunderland signed Will Grigg,waste of money,Cattermole on 30000 + per week,who went up.Get players in who want to play,players with a a point to prove,academy players(Lapslie,Morgan) who love the club.This is the Charlton way whoever owns the club.

Don’t get me wrong I think websites like the one I sited above are generally rubbish but that’s not to say complete rubbish. Looking at Charlton's 17 1st team squad what figure would you realistically come up with as a collective value ? And there is a value that would be realistic. Our freebies now that they are under contract do have a value. Lockyer and Aneke would now command a decent transfer fee and of course Taylor would too but on the whole our squad is probably about as valueless in terms of saleable assets as it’s ever been. I also realise that just because a player is valued and perhaps bought for a good fee it doesn’t automatically follow that they are good value. That is where a good manager comes into their own. Curbishley always managed to get a team greater than the sum of its parts. I feel Bowyer has the knack too. My initial point was that Charlton's squad to the casual observer, compared to Blackburn’s is woefully inadequate. The Championship is a very tough league. Competing with a league one budget is challenging at best and suicidal at worst. Time enough yet for Bowyer and Gallen to pull it out of the hat but as we currently stand we are not anywhere near being capable of giving Blackburn a game.

thickandthin63 said:

Last seasons championship was a prime example of my point.Did Norwich and Sheffield Utd.have more valued squads on paper than Leeds,Derby,Middlesborough,WBA and othres,I dont think so although I stand to be corrected,Our most succesful seasons have come when we have had managers that have an eye for players that fit into a system,I believe Bowyer has that ability.Unlike the Leeds and Derbys of this world we are under no pressure to get into the premier league,and I am sure that with 2-3 more decent signings which will come,we will cause a lot of teams problems.

Love your optimism but it’s going to take more than 2 - 3

Whose played in the championship before? 
Solly - on the decline
Sarr - Struggled before but confident now
Pratley - on the decline x2
Pearce - solid
JFC - unconvinced 
 
Doesn't scream quality does it?

Based on our current squad we are absolutely fecked.  Bowyer may be a decent manager but he is not the messiah.  

Lapslie and Morgan should be out on loan for the season getting experience; Pratley should be looking at 5-10 games but being a motivator off the pitch; JFC should be vying with another of equal or better quality for a place given his recent fitness issues.  Yet they are currently our 4 midfielders with less than weeks to go until the window closes.  

It will be an absolute miracle if we are not miles out of it by Christmas at this rate.  The five players I had absolutely no doubt would step up last season were Cullen, Beilik; Aribo, Taylor and Williams- one currently signed up for us.   

We need 7 players in minimum yet I expect 5-6.  Everyone needs to be Championship quality, hit the ground running and immediately fit in with their team mates.  This division is so much harder than League One we have to hit it hard from the start.

the only chance is that Bowyer and Gallen are both superb and pull it out of the hat for us but my goodness do they have a tough job.

i just don't get it; RD had 4-6 weeks to sell us at a premium, ok he would not have got his money back but if we are adrift by Xmas no one will be interested and he will pile losses on his losses!

Athletico Charlton said:

Based on our current squad we are absolutely fecked.  Bowyer may be a decent manager but he is not the messiah.  

Lapslie and Morgan should be out on loan for the season getting experience; Pratley should be looking at 5-10 games but being a motivator off the pitch; JFC should be vying with another of equal or better quality for a place given his recent fitness issues.  Yet they are currently our 4 midfielders with less than weeks to go until the window closes.  

It will be an absolute miracle if we are not miles out of it by Christmas at this rate.  The five players I had absolutely no doubt would step up last season were Cullen, Beilik; Aribo, Taylor and Williams- one currently signed up for us.   

We need 7 players in minimum yet I expect 5-6.  Everyone needs to be Championship quality, hit the ground running and immediately fit in with their team mates.  This division is so much harder than League One we have to hit it hard from the start.

the only chance is that Bowyer and Gallen are both superb and pull it out of the hat for us but my goodness do they have a tough job.

i just don't get it; RD had 4-6 weeks to sell us at a premium, ok he would not have got his money back but if we are adrift by Xmas no one will be interested and he will pile losses on his losses!

He’s a very naughty boy.

It's really great that so many of our players have been written off by our "supporters".

Shall we all boo them as soon as they come out of the tunnel?

ShootersHillGuru said:

I realise this info is from Transfer Markt website but if you look at our first team squad = 17 players with a value of £4.19 million as compared to Blackburn Rovers with a squad = 26 players and value of £27.14 million you can see what we could well be up against.

For interest Millwall have = 20 players valued at £15.89 million

My comment on this, SHG, would be that surely it's WHAT you do with these more expensive players.

Finding the right blend of youth & experience; man management within the squad; creating a positive vibe throughout ; getting the best out of each & every player & emphasising the part they each have to play in the squad.....just a few examples of what the right manager would presumably be working around to obtain results. 

Maybe Harris isn't the manager to get a squad worth 15+m pushing onwards & upwards.... 

But Bow, with the help of JJ, is 100% nailed on to get the maximum out of whatever players he has at his disposal using the meagre budget dictated by the Rat.

He did it with knobs on last season & there is no reason whatsoever to think the next will be any different. 

Promotion candidates - why not. Budget isn't everything. 

WE have the guy who respects his players, and receives it back in shedloads from both them and us, the faithful. 

Let's wait & see where we finish in this league next May....and where the Spanners end up.

I'm keeping the faith in our management team & urge you to do the same. 

WE are Bow's secret weapon - let's make sure he & our lads knows it !

ShootersHillGuru said:

Agree on all of that Fanny but it doesn’t detract from the fact that at this point our squad is hopelessly inadequate. I really respect Bowyer and Gallen but there is only so much you can do and the squad as is will get pulverised. Still time to remedy that but it’s RD we’re talking about here. 

For sure, SHG. 

We can but hope for the best possible news VERY soon.

Stu_of_Kunming said:

DOUCHER said:

A very different level admittedly but when I was managing youth and senior teams, at this time of the year, if you had managed to say goodbye to a lot of the ‘dead wood’ in your squad and were in a lean position able to add half a team, you were in a very good position. That’s how o see us - the quality is about to be added and I wouldn’t be surprised if taylor’s contract isn’t improved once all that is done - to give him some sort of parity as I see him as the talisman of this squad 

We lost some of our best players in Bauer, Aribo, Cullen and Bielek, hardly deadwood.

That was also our midfield which was key to achieving 3rd place in League 1.  Without any of them where might we finish in the league above ? 

Rumours only please. 

letthegoodtimesroll said:

ShootersHillGuru said:

I realise this info is from Transfer Markt website but if you look at our first team squad = 17 players with a value of £4.19 million as compared to Blackburn Rovers with a squad = 26 players and value of £27.14 million you can see what we could well be up against.

For interest Millwall have = 20 players valued at £15.89 million

Could Millwall realise £15.89 million for those players if they sold them or is that just how much Millwall paid for them ? Same with Blackburn. Are it’s players more than 6 times better than Charlton’s ? Or come 5pm on Saturday 3rd August are Charlton’s players going to be worth more than Blackburn’s when Charlton have won the first game of the season at  Blackburn’s ground ?

The numbers banded around about Dack makes the Blackburn figure quite low, the other 25 must be rubbish. 

Starinnaddick said:

A friend of mine who works in the WHU youth set up told me that we have asked about Josh Cullen and Reece Oxford but it is unlikely to happen as they need more home grown players in their 25. Apparently there is a minimum they must have.

That’s fair enough, but they only need 8 home grown players in their squad of 25. They should be able to have 8 even without Cullen and Oxford, they did last season and have only really lost Carroll from their home grown quota.

They're also likely to sign another English or home grown player before the window closes. As things stand, without Cullen and Oxford, they have Aaron Cresswell, Sam Byram, Ryan Fredericks, Jack Wilshere, David Martin, Mark Noble, Michail Antonio, Declan Rice, Grady Diangana, Jordan Hugil and a few more.

They ought to be fine, even without Cullen.

I could see Bowyer doing for Oxford what he did for Bielik. You could see the quality was there, but he became more consistent, cut out some of the errors and settled into the midfield role as the season went on.

Bringing in a young talented player who was better than our own u23s turned out to be the right decision. The alternative on our budget is an older player on their way down. We had Elliott Ward on trial last year and a manager like Slade would have probably gone for him instead for the experience, as he did with Crofts and Foley. Too many of them together and the team lacks pace and energy.