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Summer 2019 Transfer Rumours (ed. Pg 296 - Start of Deadline Day)
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roseandcrown said:
Diesen recommend Jesus as data from napa suggested he was good on crossesSwisdom said:I’m confused
is Napa actually Driessen? Or Jesus Christ
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Don’t get me wrong I think websites like the one I sited above are generally rubbish but that’s not to say complete rubbish. Looking at Charlton's 17 1st team squad what figure would you realistically come up with as a collective value ? And there is a value that would be realistic. Our freebies now that they are under contract do have a value. Lockyer and Aneke would now command a decent transfer fee and of course Taylor would too but on the whole our squad is probably about as valueless in terms of saleable assets as it’s ever been. I also realise that just because a player is valued and perhaps bought for a good fee it doesn’t automatically follow that they are good value. That is where a good manager comes into their own. Curbishley always managed to get a team greater than the sum of its parts. I feel Bowyer has the knack too. My initial point was that Charlton's squad to the casual observer, compared to Blackburn’s is woefully inadequate. The Championship is a very tough league. Competing with a league one budget is challenging at best and suicidal at worst. Time enough yet for Bowyer and Gallen to pull it out of the hat but as we currently stand we are not anywhere near being capable of giving Blackburn a game.thickandthin63 said:All this talk about players value etc.is crap,look at the best paid players in the premier league,ozil,sanchez,pogba,total waste of money,Sunderland signed Will Grigg,waste of money,Cattermole on 30000 + per week,who went up.Get players in who want to play,players with a a point to prove,academy players(Lapslie,Morgan) who love the club.This is the Charlton way whoever owns the club.0 -
Last seasons championship was a prime example of my point.Did Norwich and Sheffield Utd.have more valued squads on paper than Leeds,Derby,Middlesborough,WBA and othres,I dont think so although I stand to be corrected,Our most succesful seasons have come when we have had managers that have an eye for players that fit into a system,I believe Bowyer has that ability.Unlike the Leeds and Derbys of this world we are under no pressure to get into the premier league,and I am sure that with 2-3 more decent signings which will come,we will cause a lot of teams problems.2
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Love your optimism but it’s going to take more than 2 - 3thickandthin63 said:Last seasons championship was a prime example of my point.Did Norwich and Sheffield Utd.have more valued squads on paper than Leeds,Derby,Middlesborough,WBA and othres,I dont think so although I stand to be corrected,Our most succesful seasons have come when we have had managers that have an eye for players that fit into a system,I believe Bowyer has that ability.Unlike the Leeds and Derbys of this world we are under no pressure to get into the premier league,and I am sure that with 2-3 more decent signings which will come,we will cause a lot of teams problems.4 -
This. We need a whole midfield to come in. I like JFC but is he injury prone? Lapslie needs a loan to build experience. Morgan looks quality on the ball but goes missing off it. Pratley turned up in the big games in a big way but I don't think he should be a starter.ShootersHillGuru said:
Love your optimism but it’s going to take more than 2 - 3thickandthin63 said:Last seasons championship was a prime example of my point.Did Norwich and Sheffield Utd.have more valued squads on paper than Leeds,Derby,Middlesborough,WBA and othres,I dont think so although I stand to be corrected,Our most succesful seasons have come when we have had managers that have an eye for players that fit into a system,I believe Bowyer has that ability.Unlike the Leeds and Derbys of this world we are under no pressure to get into the premier league,and I am sure that with 2-3 more decent signings which will come,we will cause a lot of teams problems.1 -
Whose played in the championship before?
Solly - on the decline
Sarr - Struggled before but confident now
Pratley - on the decline x2
Pearce - solid
JFC - unconvinced
Doesn't scream quality does it?4 -
Lionel Messi has never done it in the championship.
Okay extreme example, my point is if they’re good enough they’re good enough.3 -
Based on our current squad we are absolutely fecked. Bowyer may be a decent manager but he is not the messiah.
Lapslie and Morgan should be out on loan for the season getting experience; Pratley should be looking at 5-10 games but being a motivator off the pitch; JFC should be vying with another of equal or better quality for a place given his recent fitness issues. Yet they are currently our 4 midfielders with less than weeks to go until the window closes.
It will be an absolute miracle if we are not miles out of it by Christmas at this rate. The five players I had absolutely no doubt would step up last season were Cullen, Beilik; Aribo, Taylor and Williams- one currently signed up for us.
We need 7 players in minimum yet I expect 5-6. Everyone needs to be Championship quality, hit the ground running and immediately fit in with their team mates. This division is so much harder than League One we have to hit it hard from the start.
the only chance is that Bowyer and Gallen are both superb and pull it out of the hat for us but my goodness do they have a tough job.
i just don't get it; RD had 4-6 weeks to sell us at a premium, ok he would not have got his money back but if we are adrift by Xmas no one will be interested and he will pile losses on his losses!13 -
Ill put my bowyer is the messiah flag in the bin thenAthletico Charlton said:Based on our current squad we are absolutely fecked. Bowyer may be a decent manager but he is not the messiah.
Lapslie and Morgan should be out on loan for the season getting experience; Pratley should be looking at 5-10 games but being a motivator off the pitch; JFC should be vying with another of equal or better quality for a place given his recent fitness issues. Yet they are currently our 4 midfielders with less than weeks to go until the window closes.
It will be an absolute miracle if we are not miles out of it by Christmas at this rate. The five players I had absolutely no doubt would step up last season were Cullen, Beilik; Aribo, Taylor and Williams- one currently signed up for us.
We need 7 players in minimum yet I expect 5-6. Everyone needs to be Championship quality, hit the ground running and immediately fit in with their team mates. This division is so much harder than League One we have to hit it hard from the start.
the only chance is that Bowyer and Gallen are both superb and pull it out of the hat for us but my goodness do they have a tough job.
i just don't get it; RD had 4-6 weeks to sell us at a premium, ok he would not have got his money back but if we are adrift by Xmas no one will be interested and he will pile losses on his losses!
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Morgan had admitted his fitness let down the defensive side of his game, I expect it not to be s problem this year. A loan won't help him. Lapslie can play where he is asked and brings energy, positivity, and drive. Similar to Bows in many ways and LB will teach him nuances of possession and distribution. Again a loan won't help. They may be key to our season.2
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I agree I am the eternal optimist,and quite likely more than 2-3 signings will be needed,but they have got to be right ,we must have players who are pushing those who have the shirt,rather than players who are there just to step in to cover injuries and suspensions.I am convinced we will get some very welcome news soon,indeed I hope so as reading a lot of the comments on here,I am reaching for the nearest razor blades.Cheer up guys,we just got promoted not relegated.0
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He’s a very naughty boy.Athletico Charlton said:Based on our current squad we are absolutely fecked. Bowyer may be a decent manager but he is not the messiah.
Lapslie and Morgan should be out on loan for the season getting experience; Pratley should be looking at 5-10 games but being a motivator off the pitch; JFC should be vying with another of equal or better quality for a place given his recent fitness issues. Yet they are currently our 4 midfielders with less than weeks to go until the window closes.
It will be an absolute miracle if we are not miles out of it by Christmas at this rate. The five players I had absolutely no doubt would step up last season were Cullen, Beilik; Aribo, Taylor and Williams- one currently signed up for us.
We need 7 players in minimum yet I expect 5-6. Everyone needs to be Championship quality, hit the ground running and immediately fit in with their team mates. This division is so much harder than League One we have to hit it hard from the start.
the only chance is that Bowyer and Gallen are both superb and pull it out of the hat for us but my goodness do they have a tough job.
i just don't get it; RD had 4-6 weeks to sell us at a premium, ok he would not have got his money back but if we are adrift by Xmas no one will be interested and he will pile losses on his losses!1 -
AOB is still available.0
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It's really great that so many of our players have been written off by our "supporters".
Shall we all boo them as soon as they come out of the tunnel?4 -
No. But I’ll point out mindless optimism when I see it.East_Stand_Loopy said:It's really great that so many of our players have been written off by our "supporters".
Shall we all boo them as soon as they come out of the tunnel?5 -
What mindless optimism?ShootersHillGuru said:
No. But I’ll point out mindless optimism when I see it.East_Stand_Loopy said:It's really great that so many of our players have been written off by our "supporters".
Shall we all boo them as soon as they come out of the tunnel?
Dont think anyone on here thinks that the Championship will be a walk in the park, think most of us know its going to be tough
But whats the alternative, announce bloody relegation now and save the 46-games before its officially announced?
Seem to remember very few people thinking that we'd even finish top six let alone top three last season (I was one of them), a lot thought we'd be relegated but look at where we are now
Is it optimism or just hope that drives a lot of people when they support this club3 -
Dont agree to be honest mateAthletico Charlton said:Based on our current squad we are absolutely fecked. Bowyer may be a decent manager but he is not the messiah.
Lapslie and Morgan should be out on loan for the season getting experience; Pratley should be looking at 5-10 games but being a motivator off the pitch; JFC should be vying with another of equal or better quality for a place given his recent fitness issues. Yet they are currently our 4 midfielders with less than weeks to go until the window closes.
It will be an absolute miracle if we are not miles out of it by Christmas at this rate. The five players I had absolutely no doubt would step up last season were Cullen, Beilik; Aribo, Taylor and Williams- one currently signed up for us.
We need 7 players in minimum yet I expect 5-6. Everyone needs to be Championship quality, hit the ground running and immediately fit in with their team mates. This division is so much harder than League One we have to hit it hard from the start.
the only chance is that Bowyer and Gallen are both superb and pull it out of the hat for us but my goodness do they have a tough job.
i just don't get it; RD had 4-6 weeks to sell us at a premium, ok he would not have got his money back but if we are adrift by Xmas no one will be interested and he will pile losses on his losses!
Lapslie and Morgan should be players we start to build foundations around.
Just got to look at the youngsters Leeds had last year, you reckon Millwall will send Thompson back on loan, no chance.
Lapslie needs to start games not dragged into them late on, he is a massive confidence player I reckon. Morgan was even better last season, absolute joy to watch and Ill be pissed off if he does go on loan.
So what it will be a struggle, I dont think anything less, the budget is what it is, of course we will add players. Last year we were fcked before Cullen and Bielik came along.
Weve been in better shape but the thing you can count on with this squad is that they will try unlike 50% of other squads weve had in the past decade.0 -
My comment on this, SHG, would be that surely it's WHAT you do with these more expensive players.ShootersHillGuru said:I realise this info is from Transfer Markt website but if you look at our first team squad = 17 players with a value of £4.19 million as compared to Blackburn Rovers with a squad = 26 players and value of £27.14 million you can see what we could well be up against.
For interest Millwall have = 20 players valued at £15.89 million
Finding the right blend of youth & experience; man management within the squad; creating a positive vibe throughout ; getting the best out of each & every player & emphasising the part they each have to play in the squad.....just a few examples of what the right manager would presumably be working around to obtain results.
Maybe Harris isn't the manager to get a squad worth 15+m pushing onwards & upwards....
But Bow, with the help of JJ, is 100% nailed on to get the maximum out of whatever players he has at his disposal using the meagre budget dictated by the Rat.
He did it with knobs on last season & there is no reason whatsoever to think the next will be any different.
Promotion candidates - why not. Budget isn't everything.
WE have the guy who respects his players, and receives it back in shedloads from both them and us, the faithful.
Let's wait & see where we finish in this league next May....and where the Spanners end up.
I'm keeping the faith in our management team & urge you to do the same.
WE are Bow's secret weapon - let's make sure he & our lads knows it !6 -
Agree on all of that Fanny but it doesn’t detract from the fact that at this point our squad is hopelessly inadequate. I really respect Bowyer and Gallen but there is only so much you can do and the squad as is will get pulverised. Still time to remedy that but it’s RD we’re talking about here.1
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For sure, SHG.ShootersHillGuru said:Agree on all of that Fanny but it doesn’t detract from the fact that at this point our squad is hopelessly inadequate. I really respect Bowyer and Gallen but there is only so much you can do and the squad as is will get pulverised. Still time to remedy that but it’s RD we’re talking about here.
We can but hope for the best possible news VERY soon.1 -
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Doucher said our current situation is a good thing, I'd call that mindless optimism.ForeverAddickted said:
What mindless optimism?ShootersHillGuru said:
No. But I’ll point out mindless optimism when I see it.East_Stand_Loopy said:It's really great that so many of our players have been written off by our "supporters".
Shall we all boo them as soon as they come out of the tunnel?
Dont think anyone on here thinks that the Championship will be a walk in the park, think most of us know its going to be tough
But whats the alternative, announce bloody relegation now and save the 46-games before its officially announced?
Seem to remember very few people thinking that we'd even finish top six let alone top three last season (I was one of them), a lot thought we'd be relegated but look at where we are now
Is it optimism or just hope that drives a lot of people when they support this club1 -
That was also our midfield which was key to achieving 3rd place in League 1. Without any of them where might we finish in the league above ?Stu_of_Kunming said:
We lost some of our best players in Bauer, Aribo, Cullen and Bielek, hardly deadwood.DOUCHER said:A very different level admittedly but when I was managing youth and senior teams, at this time of the year, if you had managed to say goodbye to a lot of the ‘dead wood’ in your squad and were in a lean position able to add half a team, you were in a very good position. That’s how o see us - the quality is about to be added and I wouldn’t be surprised if taylor’s contract isn’t improved once all that is done - to give him some sort of parity as I see him as the talisman of this squad0 -
Going into the championship we know it's a better league with technically, faster, stronger players. Everything is 'upped' it's the same in any level of football if you go up a division. Our management team aren't idiots they know this. LB will know we are going to get a pasting some weeks. For me this year is about survival and building on that. If I was in his shoes I'd be looking to make The Valley our fortress. You've got to win your home games and nick what you can away from home.
On the transfer front I'd imagine we have a list of players we are trying to get over the line. If none of them are in before start of the season we will resort to free agents and as mentioned younger loanees.1 -
Rumours only please.3
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Could Millwall realise £15.89 million for those players if they sold them or is that just how much Millwall paid for them ? Same with Blackburn. Are it’s players more than 6 times better than Charlton’s ? Or come 5pm on Saturday 3rd August are Charlton’s players going to be worth more than Blackburn’s when Charlton have won the first game of the season at Blackburn’s ground ?ShootersHillGuru said:I realise this info is from Transfer Markt website but if you look at our first team squad = 17 players with a value of £4.19 million as compared to Blackburn Rovers with a squad = 26 players and value of £27.14 million you can see what we could well be up against.
For interest Millwall have = 20 players valued at £15.89 million1 -
The numbers banded around about Dack makes the Blackburn figure quite low, the other 25 must be rubbish.letthegoodtimesroll said:
Could Millwall realise £15.89 million for those players if they sold them or is that just how much Millwall paid for them ? Same with Blackburn. Are it’s players more than 6 times better than Charlton’s ? Or come 5pm on Saturday 3rd August are Charlton’s players going to be worth more than Blackburn’s when Charlton have won the first game of the season at Blackburn’s ground ?ShootersHillGuru said:I realise this info is from Transfer Markt website but if you look at our first team squad = 17 players with a value of £4.19 million as compared to Blackburn Rovers with a squad = 26 players and value of £27.14 million you can see what we could well be up against.
For interest Millwall have = 20 players valued at £15.89 million0 -
A friend of mine who works in the WHU youth set up told me that we have asked about Josh Cullen and Reece Oxford but it is unlikely to happen as they need more home grown players in their 25. Apparently there is a minimum they must have.0
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That’s fair enough, but they only need 8 home grown players in their squad of 25. They should be able to have 8 even without Cullen and Oxford, they did last season and have only really lost Carroll from their home grown quota.Starinnaddick said:A friend of mine who works in the WHU youth set up told me that we have asked about Josh Cullen and Reece Oxford but it is unlikely to happen as they need more home grown players in their 25. Apparently there is a minimum they must have.
They're also likely to sign another English or home grown player before the window closes. As things stand, without Cullen and Oxford, they have Aaron Cresswell, Sam Byram, Ryan Fredericks, Jack Wilshere, David Martin, Mark Noble, Michail Antonio, Declan Rice, Grady Diangana, Jordan Hugil and a few more.
They ought to be fine, even without Cullen.8 -
Dont know how I feel about Oxford to be honest
Did really well to break through at West Ham yet hasnt made double figures at any of the five clubs he's played at so far (four of those he joined on loan) - Feels like he'll tread a similar path to Ravel Morrison (just without the prick attitude) of someone who thought they'd made it too early as when he broke through at West Ham he really played well with everyone thinking of him as the next best thing
Dont think that Jordan Hugill went on the tour to China so imagine he'll be a dead certainty for being loaned back to the Championship at the very least this season0 -
I could see Bowyer doing for Oxford what he did for Bielik. You could see the quality was there, but he became more consistent, cut out some of the errors and settled into the midfield role as the season went on.
Bringing in a young talented player who was better than our own u23s turned out to be the right decision. The alternative on our budget is an older player on their way down. We had Elliott Ward on trial last year and a manager like Slade would have probably gone for him instead for the experience, as he did with Crofts and Foley. Too many of them together and the team lacks pace and energy.12
