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England Cricket Team Summer 2019 -ICC World Cup and Ashes etc

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  • suzisausage
    suzisausage Posts: 11,502
    Play resumed. Restricted view ticket isn’t restricted. Direct access to aisle. £15. One pina colada down. Winner. 
    Who’s @les_says cheering on?
    He wore an England shirt with green shorts! 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,669
    Never liked the Aussies ever since Rolf Harris tied up an innocent Kangaroo. 
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    the only way to improve other nations cricket is playing on the big stages against thr top teams. Bangladesh being an example
    Not necessarily by giving them test status though. all bar about 2 of their team today (mostly over 30) had been with English counties for development. This is very unlikely to happen now. As they have test status they would be counted as an overseas player. Not many Irish players are likely to be considered good enough for that prospect. I was sat next to an Irish guy who had a cricket loving lad, about 9 or 10, who had to go 65 miles to get to any cricket coaching. The sum total of the coaching was him being told to "just hit it". Nothing about technique. He predicts that Irish cricket will go backwards very fast now, 
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    Cmon @The_President you should know by now that Americans and Belgians are fair game on here but don’t ever mock the Irish 
    I'm hoping I'm allowed to keep calling the Aussies convicts during the Ashes!! 
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
    redman said:
    Cmon @The_President you should know by now that Americans and Belgians are fair game on here but don’t ever mock the Irish 
    I'm hoping I'm allowed to keep calling the Aussies convicts during the Ashes!! 
    Good job Ben Stokes was found not guilty.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,624
    I think we are very lucky with the pace bowlers we have, still the big question is 1 2 and 3 in the order if Root bats at 4, I would like Root at 3 have not seen much of Sibley, Burns had a poor game but Denly was unlucky and deserves a chance, I would like to see Roy at 4
    It was great watching Sky earlier today. During the break for rain around noon Atherton & Hussain named their 11 for the 1st Ashes Test next week. Hussain simply put down Player 1 & Player 2 for the openers as he said that there was currently no-one around who could comfortably fill those spots. He then named about a dozen of the previous openers (apart from Cook) & basically said choose 2 from them. 

    Sad state of affairs. 
  • Johnnysummers5
    Johnnysummers5 Posts: 8,469
    I see Joffra Archer was involved in another tied match Sussex v Surrey last night and good to see Ollie Pope fit again playing for Surrey
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    redman said:
    the only way to improve other nations cricket is playing on the big stages against thr top teams. Bangladesh being an example
    Not necessarily by giving them test status though. all bar about 2 of their team today (mostly over 30) had been with English counties for development. This is very unlikely to happen now. As they have test status they would be counted as an overseas player. Not many Irish players are likely to be considered good enough for that prospect. I was sat next to an Irish guy who had a cricket loving lad, about 9 or 10, who had to go 65 miles to get to any cricket coaching. The sum total of the coaching was him being told to "just hit it". Nothing about technique. He predicts that Irish cricket will go backwards very fast now, 
    They can't, currently, be classed as overseas.  They are EU citizens thus share the same rights as anyone that plays for England.  As its an "all Ireland" team that would stay the same for the Northern ones.

    Not sure how the RFUs have got away with their selection policy for so long. 
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,900
    Funnily enough I have never met an Irishman I didn't like .As far as cricket is concerned I think its such a great shame it ended this way .A close result either way would have been much better for the sport. 

    Not sure now if someone plays for Ireland that they can cross the divide and still play for another test nation a la Rankin or Morgan 

    But well played Ireland..Irish fans are always welcome in any sport 
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
    If someone had said beforehand that Ireland would lose by 143 runs, I would have taken that, somewhat disappointed by the result in the end.
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  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    lolwray said:
    Funnily enough I have never met an Irishman I didn't like .As far as cricket is concerned I think its such a great shame it ended this way .A close result either way would have been much better for the sport. 

    Not sure now if someone plays for Ireland that they can cross the divide and still play for another test nation a la Rankin or Morgan 

    But well played Ireland..Irish fans are always welcome in any sport 
    Just had a quick look, it appears that Sammy Guillen is the only player, since the 1800s, to play for 2 test playing countries at the time when both were test playing countries.  A few played for India then Pakistan, a few played for South Africa then someone else when they were band.

    The problem maybe that if Ireland produce another Morgan, would they commit to Ireland knowing they would qualify to play for England in their early 20s, at the latest, through resistance on the basis they would be playing County cricket? 
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,900
    As far as the test 11 is concerned 

    Lyth
    Roy
    Denly 
    Root
    Buttler 
    Stokes 
    Bairstow..
    Woakes
    Leach 
    Broad
    Jimmy 

    I have hesitated to pick roy as I think the Aussies will know how to get him out...I considered Vince as he plays straight..Lyth plays straight..Burns has done well to get so far witb an odd technique..its clear he's not up to it.I have high hopes for sibley long-term 

    Denly has a technique..he shd be told to score 35 runs a session... although the skipper shd be there 

    Bairstow has gone backwards as a proper bat so I have put him in a proper keepers slot 

    Ali is a busted flush as a batsman I'd give leach a run as the support spinner as I think he 'll be feeling more confident and the Aussies will be less used to him 

  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    England squad for first Ashes Test: Joe Root (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Riviera said:
    England squad for first Ashes Test: Joe Root (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes.
    That's a big squad for a home test.  Plus it doesn't include 3 of the MOMs from the last 5 tests England have won.  The other 2 aren't in a lot of people's teams in the position they won the mom from.

    Either there are big concerns over Anderson and Archer or England still don't have a clue about the balance of the team.  Intresting that Stokes is back as vice captain. 
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Riviera said:
    England squad for first Ashes Test: Joe Root (capt), Moeen Ali, James Anderson, Jofra Archer, Jonny Bairstow (wk), Stuart Broad, Rory Burns, Jos Buttler (wk), Sam Curran, Joe Denly, Jason Roy, Ben Stokes, Olly Stone, Chris Woakes.
    Playing two with gloves might not be permitted! Or is the inference that Bairstow might not be in the side?
  • CHG
    CHG Posts: 4,529
    Denly, Curran and Stone to miss out? Johnny B at 3?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    CHG said:
    Denly, Curran and Stone to miss out? Johnny B at 3?
    Or Denly to open instead of Burns?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    The plot thickens - Stokes and not Buttler is vice captain
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    It's probably happened before, but it's unusual for the man of the match in one home test match is dropped for the next one.
  • Cafc43v3r
    Cafc43v3r Posts: 21,600
    Chizz said:
    It's probably happened before, but it's unusual for the man of the match in one home test match is dropped for the next one.
    Since last summer England have won 5 tests, 5 different MOMs, 3 of them not in this squad. 
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  • Lincsaddick
    Lincsaddick Posts: 32,348
    Never liked the Aussies ever since Rolf Harris tied up an innocent Kangaroo. 
    at least he didn't shag it .. allegedly
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    First I've heard about this, looks interesting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4jf9_HnBnk&feature=youtu.be
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Riviera said:
    First I've heard about this, looks interesting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4jf9_HnBnk&feature=youtu.be
    Have just ordered the DVD from Amazon
  • McBobbin
    McBobbin Posts: 12,051
    That looks superb, gonna have to get a copy of that
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Can England risk Archer and Anderson in a Potential 5 day test match when both have been struggling with injuries ? 
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 11,677
    Can England risk Archer and Anderson in a Potential 2 1/2 day test match when both have been struggling with injuries ? 
    With our batting I can't see matches lasting too long ...
  • redman
    redman Posts: 5,285
    Cafc43v3r said:
    redman said:
    the only way to improve other nations cricket is playing on the big stages against thr top teams. Bangladesh being an example
    Not necessarily by giving them test status though. all bar about 2 of their team today (mostly over 30) had been with English counties for development. This is very unlikely to happen now. As they have test status they would be counted as an overseas player. Not many Irish players are likely to be considered good enough for that prospect. I was sat next to an Irish guy who had a cricket loving lad, about 9 or 10, who had to go 65 miles to get to any cricket coaching. The sum total of the coaching was him being told to "just hit it". Nothing about technique. He predicts that Irish cricket will go backwards very fast now, 
    They can't, currently, be classed as overseas.  They are EU citizens thus share the same rights as anyone that plays for England.  As its an "all Ireland" team that would stay the same for the Northern ones.

    Not sure how the RFUs have got away with their selection policy for so long. 
    Agree that sounds right. I was just repeating what I heard. perhaps some-one was thinking post Brexit but we won't go there. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,331
    Can England risk Archer and Anderson in a Potential 2 1/2 day test match when both have been struggling with injuries ? 
    With our batting I can't see matches lasting too long ...
    I don't think Australia's batting form is anything to write home about... 

    https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/19429/scorecard/1169648/graeme-hick-xii-vs-brad-haddin-xii-tour-match-haddin-xii-in-england-2019
  • Riviera
    Riviera Posts: 8,167
    Riviera said:
    First I've heard about this, looks interesting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4jf9_HnBnk&feature=youtu.be
    Have just ordered the DVD from Amazon
    DVD? What decade are you living in?
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,767
    Riviera said:
    Riviera said:
    First I've heard about this, looks interesting

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4jf9_HnBnk&feature=youtu.be
    Have just ordered the DVD from Amazon
    DVD? What decade are you living in?
    I collect them. As I do CDs. And records. I hope that's OK?