Occasionally I have thought about how dramatic a gesture I could create. I have fantasized that when I get my terminal cancer diagnosis, then I should invade the pitch during a game in petrol soaked clothing and burn myself to death in the centre circle. At the moment this remains a fantasy, but as a futile gesture towards Roland it would go down in history and be remembered. Better that way than fading away in a hospice.
It seems to me that should RD or his 'people' are reading this site they will be reporting back that we are once again turning on each other. There are no right or wrong answers here, it's opinions, which sometimes are held differently. Can we just agree to disagree about the effectiveness or not of past action, and look to what we might be able to do? I don't hold out much hope but, later today, I will be sending an email to the club asking them if they will, as per the minutes of the last meeting, be updating everyone before the season starts on takeover news as they promised. I hope at least to get a response and if I do I'll let you know.
yep - there's a danger this page could be the highlight of Rolands Christmas special - 'Katrien, stop playing with the chocolate fountain and bring the Ferrero Rocher - Hans, lieven and Thomas have just arrived and wea re going to re run page 1949'
The only way as fans that we could possibly force the old scrote to sell would be a 100% boycott. We all know that for many reasons that will never happen. The feel Good factor following Wembley could have taken this club a long way with a decent owner. But Shitweasel has all but destroyed that single handed. To say I despise the prick is an understatement.
Oh ffs. The dilemma we have here is that Duchâtelet himself has said on several occasions to individuals who have approached him that he refuses to be bullied by anyone. it is a point of pride for him and he is a very proud man.
He is also a deluded liar with a limited grasp of dealing with fellow humans and, as far as we can tell, a non-existent grasp of emotion.
He is a proud calculator set to binary mode in an analogue world.
Have the protests influenced his thoughts about the club, I believe they have. Have they reduced or increased the price/conditions he thinks he needs to sell, I personally do not believe so although I desperately want to believe that they have, currently do and that further actions by fans will continue to get him closer to a deal.
However, while I once believed that these actions made a difference and encouraged as many as possible, I now have some self doubt, if I am doubting others will too but I think there are people with a stronger conviction than me who will continue to step up and take the fight to Sint Truiden against the costs and the odds and I will support that even if I am no longer convinced, as I was, that it does much more than make us feel better that the billionaire owner is not fucking us over without inconvenience.
The only way as fans that we could possibly force the old scrote to sell would be a 100% boycott. We all know that for many reasons that will never happen. The feel Good factor following Wembley could have taken this club a long way with a decent owner. But Shitweasel has all but destroyed that single handed. To say I despise the prick is an understatement.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
Not digging at you but curious why a 100% boycott would force his hand? He's not been to a game for nearly 5 years?
The only way as fans that we could possibly force the old scrote to sell would be a 100% boycott. We all know that for many reasons that will never happen. The feel Good factor following Wembley could have taken this club a long way with a decent owner. But Shitweasel has all but destroyed that single handed. To say I despise the prick is an understatement.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
I don't think a full Boycott would work - I think that would only enhance his belief that fans are insignificant and allow him to demonstrate it - its the 'system' in place being wrong which he is more interested in. Embarrassing him in Belgium is the only way forward in my opinion and if the first couple of months of the season turns to absolute shite, I'm in
The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
kin ell.
I know what i wrote last night. I wrote it.
You tell me then what can be done to make him lower his demands?
What has been done so far, which has been unsuccessful in making him sell at a fair value / lower his demands has been:
- 50+ protests at home - 20+ protests in his own country - multiple game stoppages - massive security costs - 300+ marching through his town - picketing of his places of ownership and places of work - leafleting in his town - multiple flytipping of his property - graffeti of his properties - reduced income to the club - international press ridiculing his name - disruption to his local elections - harrassement to his key employees and their families - disruption at games of other clubs in his network - multiple interuption at STVV to his social engagements - disruption to his birthday celebrations with his family - hate mail / threats to his personal safety
basically, the kitchen sink has been thrown at it and not one of those things has been successful in forcing / encouraging him to lower his demands to a level his not comfortable with. If rumours are true, over the last couple of months he has allegedly increased his demands.
So what based on the above is so outlandish in my viewpoint that there is no evidence that protesting has been / will be successful in leading him to sell outside of a level that he in his own mind sees as him comfortable with (delivering faith in his own mind that he has not 'lost' during this experiment?)
Surely all that has happened over the last five years points to that, no?
The same arguments were made in the 1980s. Nothing can be done; no one is going to pay to resurrect The Valley; we’ve been protesting for five years and we’re still not back there, etc, etc. Then we won.
This is a different problem but we are a long way from where we were four years ago. Duchatelet is publicly exposed and ridiculed. We have a credible football management set-up. He has met and engaged with a whole series of buyers and spent large sums on professional fees.
The argument that nothing has been achieved because everything hasn’t yet been achieved doesn’t really stand up, any more than it did at Selhurst Park.
It's an entirely different scenario and cannot be compared to our move away from the Valley.
All the time protests cost Duchatelet money he adds it to the price, so please do tell me what will make the club more saleable if the protests continue to increase the price?
We got Roland to the point of listing the club for sale, continued actions will only cause a negative effect on the chances for him to sell.
I'm repeating myself but, the more the protests cost Duchatelet money it seems the higher the clubs price goes out of his spite towards us.
The financial cost of protests are a trivial issue compared to the operating losses, which are principally a function of players' wages. Duchatalet can add what he likes to his price, but as no one will ever pay it that won't help him.
Duchatelet is hanging on to a valid point about football being broken to deflect from the fact that he absolutely CAN sell the club at what most would call a reasonable price, but chooses not to because he wants more.
The only way as fans that we could possibly force the old scrote to sell would be a 100% boycott. We all know that for many reasons that will never happen. The feel Good factor following Wembley could have taken this club a long way with a decent owner. But Shitweasel has all but destroyed that single handed. To say I despise the prick is an understatement.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
I don't think a full Boycott would work - I think that would only enhance his belief that fans are insignificant and allow him to demonstrate it - its the 'system' in place being wrong which he is more interested in. Embarrassing him in Belgium is the only way forward in my opinion and if the first couple of months of the season turns to absolute shite, I'm in
So would you be protesting about Roland owning the club or about the results? Genuinely intrested.
I know the ownership is reflected in the results by why would it take the season turning to shite to kick start it?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Talksport?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Talksport</a> so all the buyers now walking away because of potential losses in Championship? So 4/5 individual buyers spent up to 2 years negotiating without understanding that , what total bollocks.</p>— Bob Whitehand (@BobWhitehand) <a href="
The above is what you wrote last night, @AFKABartram.
There is never "nothing" that anyone can do, about anything. Never ever. I'm really susprised to have to say to you of all people that the recent history of Charlton and its fans is the best evidence to support my statement.
kin ell.
I know what i wrote last night. I wrote it.
You tell me then what can be done to make him lower his demands?
What has been done so far, which has been unsuccessful in making him sell at a fair value / lower his demands has been:
- 50+ protests at home - 20+ protests in his own country - multiple game stoppages - massive security costs - 300+ marching through his town - picketing of his places of ownership and places of work - leafleting in his town - multiple flytipping of his property - graffeti of his properties - reduced income to the club - international press ridiculing his name - disruption to his local elections - harrassement to his key employees and their families - disruption at games of other clubs in his network - multiple interuption at STVV to his social engagements - disruption to his birthday celebrations with his family - hate mail / threats to his personal safety
basically, the kitchen sink has been thrown at it and not one of those things has been successful in forcing / encouraging him to lower his demands to a level his not comfortable with. If rumours are true, over the last couple of months he has allegedly increased his demands.
So what based on the above is so outlandish in my viewpoint that there is no evidence that protesting has been / will be successful in leading him to sell outside of a level that he in his own mind sees as him comfortable with (delivering faith in his own mind that he has not 'lost' during this experiment?)
Surely all that has happened over the last five years points to that, no?
Not to mention the £60k plus, spunked up the wall in the process!
I doubt any of it was your money, judging by your posts here and elsewhere.
Perhaps all this has been said already, but it seems to me that it is now easiest to just focus purely on the issue of money, rather than the various rumours about RD and his intermittent media spoutings.
He has made errors, but it seems pretty clear he is not prepared to pay for those errors. He has calculated how much £ he needs to recoup/is prepared to write off. In league 1 this was naturally a different figure than in the championship. Both prices were/are clearly too high for anyone who has been interested thus far.
I believe his strategy is now to perhaps try and run the club at break even /slight profit for as long as it takes to find a buyer at the price he wants. It may take him years, as he sits and waits for the club (like equity on a property) to increase in value over time. If relegation occurs then he will perhaps lower the price again to reflect this, but will feel confident he can continue to run the club at break even due to lower wage demands of players at league 1 level.
It is depressing, but then finance has ruined plenty of football clubs for some time. The difference here is that he is seemingly doing the opposite to the gambling of Bury or Bolton, and instead deciding to stop running the club at a loss. But this is perhaps not for any honourable Andy Holt style crusade of making football financially sound and preserving clubs at the centre of their community, but rather just to help pay for his past errors.
It is very frustrating. The club is on the crest of a wave and a little gamble could go a long way. But I can't see any change unless someone with lots of cash is prepared to pay him off or someone can influence him to give Bowyer a bit of extra funding.
Occasionally I have thought about how dramatic a gesture I could create. I have fantasized that when I get my terminal cancer diagnosis, then I should invade the pitch during a game in petrol soaked clothing and burn myself to death in the centre circle. At the moment this remains a fantasy, but as a futile gesture towards Roland it would go down in history and be remembered. Better that way than fading away in a hospice.
we,you,i ,CAST etc etc can NOT hurt Rolands pocket he has €800 million in his bin. Once the penny drops that he is not acting in anyway "business like" re CAFC or football in general then the protest cant hurt him financially.
It was his EGO that told him to form his own political party which bombed. It was his EGO that told him by having a portfolio of clubs he could swop players etc etc it bombed. It was his EGO that told him he didnt need to undertake a proper DD when he brought us.
Target his EGO. Damage his ego,he goes.
EGO not POCKET
Choice is do nothing or something and doing nothing is just that NOTHING
How do you shame the shameless - answers on a post card to a bunker somewhere in Belgium.
If there is proper regulation o
I agree rationality and finances don't come into it with RD. What is needed is a cool analysis of what has hurt his ego the most to date and then it needs to be repeated a hundredfold.
we,you,i ,CAST etc etc can NOT hurt Rolands pocket he has €800 million in his bin. Once the penny drops that he is not acting in anyway "business like" re CAFC or football in general then the protest cant hurt him financially.
It was his EGO that told him to form his own political party which bombed. It was his EGO that told him by having a portfolio of clubs he could swop players etc etc it bombed. It was his EGO that told him he didnt need to undertake a proper DD when he brought us.
Target his EGO. Damage his ego,he goes.
EGO not POCKET
Choice is do nothing or something and doing nothing is just that NOTHING
How do you shame the shameless - answers on a post card to a bunker somewhere in Belgium.
If there is proper regulation o
I agree rationality and finances don't come into it with RD. What is needed is a cool analysis of what has hurt his ego the most to date and then it needs to be repeated a hundredfold.
he likes to think he's a big cheese in Sint-Tuiden, it's there that we need to bring him down a peg or two.
The only way as fans that we could possibly force the old scrote to sell would be a 100% boycott. We all know that for many reasons that will never happen. The feel Good factor following Wembley could have taken this club a long way with a decent owner. But Shitweasel has all but destroyed that single handed. To say I despise the prick is an understatement.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
I don't think a full Boycott would work - I think that would only enhance his belief that fans are insignificant and allow him to demonstrate it - its the 'system' in place being wrong which he is more interested in. Embarrassing him in Belgium is the only way forward in my opinion and if the first couple of months of the season turns to absolute shite, I'm in
So would you be protesting about Roland owning the club or about the results? Genuinely intrested.
I know the ownership is reflected in the results by why would it take the season turning to shite to kick start it?
Because if it goes well, there's nothing to protest about - I don't care how shallow that looks to some on here, that's it - please don't come back about all the other stuff, I've heard it a million times and agree but that's it - I wouldn't even contemplate going to Belgium if things were going well.
The only way as fans that we could possibly force the old scrote to sell would be a 100% boycott. We all know that for many reasons that will never happen. The feel Good factor following Wembley could have taken this club a long way with a decent owner. But Shitweasel has all but destroyed that single handed. To say I despise the prick is an understatement.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
I don't disagree, but Blackpool did it for years and it never worked there.
@Chizz excellent posts have saved me a lot of bother, well said, sir.
Just one question for @AFKABartram whose comments last night I found extraordinarily depressing.
RD sold Standard Liege long before he announced to the world that he was getting out of football. Why, in your opinion, did he sell Standard (to his own CEO who was strapped for the readies, and not some rich Arabs) at that time?
Firstly, I don’t know why you would find my comment extraordinarily depressing. It’s just merely my own personal opinion, which none of us know is right or wrong, and not a fact.
As for your question, I don’t know. No one other than Roland would know. My best guess is that with STVV promoted there was an issue with him having categorised ownership of two clubs in the same division. Given there has since been rumours it was not a straight forward sale, I’m 99% certain it would have been down to either that regulatory insistence or an opportunity that suited Roland best. I’m 100% convinced it was not down to a group of Standard fans door-stopping him at the stadium over two years prior.
The only way I can see a successful sale of Charlton is if one of those two criterias are met above. There won’t be a regulatory need so we are reliant on an opportunity that suits Roland best, and that will be him ensuring he gets the deal he wants out of this, regardless of the ongoing costs / losses that most of us sane people would factor in. No amount of periphery noise is going to change his demands, if that was the case it would have happened by now, imo.
As said, purely my view and not a fact
I think it’s the disappointing stance you seem to be taking against those of us who are prepared to be more pro active (whether it achieves anything or not is, in a sense, irrelevant) .....I always thought you were 100% behind us, it would seem that never was (or least ways no longer is), the case?
Then you are not really
reading what I have wrote and instead chosen to take it personally or as a
criticism for protesting. If you read back what I have wrote I don’t think
there is a single word there that could be interpreted as critical. You knock
yourself out with whatever you want to do, I can’t stand the bloke and think he
is a diabolical owner. I just don’t believe anything so far has been successful
in encouraging (let alone forcing) him to lower his demands and I don’t see
that changing in future.
As for the last sentence, I don’t
think trying to draw ‘us’ lines is particularly helpful and just likely to
create unnecessary divisions so in the grand scheme of things its irrelevant
what I or anybody else thinks in that sense.
For what it's worth, Roland, according to GM who speaks to him, *is* affected by the protests. He can't stand the knock to his reputation, and actually thought he was winning fans round after the playoff final. He felt empowered, which is possibly why he felt he could put the price up after the final (despite saying he wouldn't), and get away with it. Obviously the club is still unsold, so you could argue the protests have had limited success, but Bowyer's contract was renewed very soon after the online outrage at his failure to do so up until that point.
Protests only happen when enough people want to protest, and they won't at the beginning of a new season in the Championship. But they might if we're bottom after five or six games. Whether they would make a difference or not I don't know, but I'd like to think there's a least a slim chance they might.
Boycotts only work where the owners are cash strapped and can't cover the loss of income. I think we've established Roland doesn't follow normal logic.
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Not much has changed but the players now get water
And Rolands great great great grand daughter, is still here
Might as well nothing is happening seems pointless until we get some real news
yep - there's a danger this page could be the highlight of Rolands Christmas special - 'Katrien, stop playing with the chocolate fountain and bring the Ferrero Rocher - Hans, lieven and Thomas have just arrived and wea re going to re run page 1949'
We all know that for many reasons that will never happen.
The feel Good factor following Wembley could have taken this club a long way with a decent owner.
But Shitweasel has all but destroyed that single handed.
To say I despise the prick is an understatement.
Just sell the club and FUCK OFF
1951 The start of The Goon Show, on the radio BBC Home Service.
Loved the Goons
He is also a deluded liar with a limited grasp of dealing with fellow humans and, as far as we can tell, a non-existent grasp of emotion.
He is a proud calculator set to binary mode in an analogue world.
Have the protests influenced his thoughts about the club, I believe they have. Have they reduced or increased the price/conditions he thinks he needs to sell, I personally do not believe so although I desperately want to believe that they have, currently do and that further actions by fans will continue to get him closer to a deal.
However, while I once believed that these actions made a difference and encouraged as many as possible, I now have some self doubt, if I am doubting others will too but I think there are people with a stronger conviction than me who will continue to step up and take the fight to Sint Truiden against the costs and the odds and I will support that even if I am no longer convinced, as I was, that it does much more than make us feel better that the billionaire owner is not fucking us over without inconvenience.
I know the ownership is reflected in the results by why would it take the season turning to shite to kick start it?
He has made errors, but it seems pretty clear he is not prepared to pay for those errors. He has calculated how much £ he needs to recoup/is prepared to write off. In league 1 this was naturally a different figure than in the championship. Both prices were/are clearly too high for anyone who has been interested thus far.
I believe his strategy is now to perhaps try and run the club at break even /slight profit for as long as it takes to find a buyer at the price he wants. It may take him years, as he sits and waits for the club (like equity on a property) to increase in value over time. If relegation occurs then he will perhaps lower the price again to reflect this, but will feel confident he can continue to run the club at break even due to lower wage demands of players at league 1 level.
It is depressing, but then finance has ruined plenty of football clubs for some time. The difference here is that he is seemingly doing the opposite to the gambling of Bury or Bolton, and instead deciding to stop running the club at a loss. But this is perhaps not for any honourable Andy Holt style crusade of making football financially sound and preserving clubs at the centre of their community, but rather just to help pay for his past errors.
It is very frustrating. The club is on the crest of a wave and a little gamble could go a long way. But I can't see any change unless someone with lots of cash is prepared to pay him off or someone can influence him to give Bowyer a bit of extra funding.
How do you shame the shameless - answers on a post card to a bunker somewhere in Belgium.
If there is proper regulation o
I agree rationality and finances don't come into it with RD. What is needed is a cool analysis of what has hurt his ego the most to date and then it needs to be repeated a hundredfold.
Because if it goes well, there's nothing to protest about - I don't care how shallow that looks to some on here, that's it - please don't come back about all the other stuff, I've heard it a million times and agree but that's it - I wouldn't even contemplate going to Belgium if things were going well.
Obviously the club is still unsold, so you could argue the protests have had limited success, but Bowyer's contract was renewed very soon after the online outrage at his failure to do so up until that point.
Protests only happen when enough people want to protest, and they won't at the beginning of a new season in the Championship. But they might if we're bottom after five or six games.
Whether they would make a difference or not I don't know, but I'd like to think there's a least a slim chance they might.