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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,355
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Braziliance said:
    Just out of curiosity how complex is it to sign a manager that wants to stay and the owners apparently want to keep.

    They were all in the same vicinity at the weekend, we were told they would talk, they did, it's now 5 nights since then and we are still 'very very close' surely it's a pressing matter and they should be getting to the bottom of it rather than letting the days go by. Each to their own but if I had just bought a football club and truly wanted the manager to stay, I would make time for him and not leave that room until we come to an agreement. I don't understand the hold up 
    MS - "Gonna offer £7k a week"
    LB - "£12k!"
    MS - "£8k!"
    LB - "£10K!"
    MS - "DONE"
    LB - "Right let's go do the pub......"
    I know that's tongue in cheek but why isn't it as simple as that. The main talking points would be wages, length of contract, job security, transfer activity and I guess targets/goals Lee is expected to hit. How hard can it be to negotiate what should be the most simple negotiation in our history.

    I said I was concerned anyway until that press conference where MS spoke of 5 years, if we get to this weekend and it's still not done I will find it really hard to understand why 
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    Bed wetters during games I don't like but adults asking pertinent questions on a Cafc forum about the directions of our club seems reasonable.  Saying we will be relegated is very negative but not being aware that we might be if we don't have a good window ( players staying as much as who comes in)   is CL folk having the biggest pair of rose coloured glasses since Elton John.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,221

    Replying to and

    LB on new contract: “I’ve had some good, positive conversations yesterday and this morning, so we’re nearly there. Just one or two small adjustments and we’re there. It’s positive and I’m pleased with what I’m hearing.” #cafc
    10:22 AM · Jan 16, 2020·TweetDeck
    Replying to and

    LB: “The most important thing for me is to concentrate on the game, so that’s the priority over the next few days. Once the small things are sorted out, then we’ll get it sorted.” #cafc
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    edited January 2020
    Braziliance said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Braziliance said:
    Just out of curiosity how complex is it to sign a manager that wants to stay and the owners apparently want to keep.

    They were all in the same vicinity at the weekend, we were told they would talk, they did, it's now 5 nights since then and we are still 'very very close' surely it's a pressing matter and they should be getting to the bottom of it rather than letting the days go by. Each to their own but if I had just bought a football club and truly wanted the manager to stay, I would make time for him and not leave that room until we come to an agreement. I don't understand the hold up 
    MS - "Gonna offer £7k a week"
    LB - "£12k!"
    MS - "£8k!"
    LB - "£10K!"
    MS - "DONE"
    LB - "Right let's go do the pub......"
    I know that's tongue in cheek but why isn't it as simple as that. The main talking points would be wages, length of contract, job security, transfer activity and I guess targets/goals Lee is expected to hit. How hard can it be to negotiate what should be the most simple negotiation in our history.

    I said I was concerned anyway until that press conference where MS spoke of 5 years, if we get to this weekend and it's still not done I will find it really hard to understand why 
    If it is 5 years, from LB's pov, he'll be signing the 5 years of his life away. His contract will probably need to be written up by one legal firm and dissected by another, then re-negotiated if something isn't right, then written up again, dissected and so on. Bowyer might just now be waiting for JJ and Andy Marshall to sort themselves out, before they all sign together. All this while playing games with a depleted side and help to sort out new players with Gallen and MS. 

    Then, I would have thought,  you've got the same hold ups from ESI's perspective 
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,000
    So from what Bowyer is saying it seems the vast majority of terms etc are fine and all agreed, but there are a few details still being worked on.

    Why it's taken what seems a long time I do not know but I would presume that if it is indeed a five year contract it has to cover a lot of potential futures, and have terms and conditions that vary depending on which division we are in in each of those years - LB should get paid more as a Championship manager than a League One manager but that leads to complications I presume.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,355
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Braziliance said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Braziliance said:
    Just out of curiosity how complex is it to sign a manager that wants to stay and the owners apparently want to keep.

    They were all in the same vicinity at the weekend, we were told they would talk, they did, it's now 5 nights since then and we are still 'very very close' surely it's a pressing matter and they should be getting to the bottom of it rather than letting the days go by. Each to their own but if I had just bought a football club and truly wanted the manager to stay, I would make time for him and not leave that room until we come to an agreement. I don't understand the hold up 
    MS - "Gonna offer £7k a week"
    LB - "£12k!"
    MS - "£8k!"
    LB - "£10K!"
    MS - "DONE"
    LB - "Right let's go do the pub......"
    I know that's tongue in cheek but why isn't it as simple as that. The main talking points would be wages, length of contract, job security, transfer activity and I guess targets/goals Lee is expected to hit. How hard can it be to negotiate what should be the most simple negotiation in our history.

    I said I was concerned anyway until that press conference where MS spoke of 5 years, if we get to this weekend and it's still not done I will find it really hard to understand why 
    If it is 5 years, from LB's pov, he'll signing the 5 years of his life away. His contract will probably need to be written up by one legal firm and dissected by another, then re-negotiated if something isn't right, then written up again, dissected and so on. Bowyer might just now be waiting for JJ and Andy Marshall to sort themselves out, before they all sign together. All this while playing games with a depleted side and help to sort out new players with Gallen and MS. 

    Then, I would have thought,  you've got the same hold ups from ESI's perspective 
    Good points, I just thought with the importance they would have looked to get it done last weekend, with the money involved it's surely possible to have everyone who is needed ready to get it over the line. 
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Braziliance said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Braziliance said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    Braziliance said:
    Just out of curiosity how complex is it to sign a manager that wants to stay and the owners apparently want to keep.

    They were all in the same vicinity at the weekend, we were told they would talk, they did, it's now 5 nights since then and we are still 'very very close' surely it's a pressing matter and they should be getting to the bottom of it rather than letting the days go by. Each to their own but if I had just bought a football club and truly wanted the manager to stay, I would make time for him and not leave that room until we come to an agreement. I don't understand the hold up 
    MS - "Gonna offer £7k a week"
    LB - "£12k!"
    MS - "£8k!"
    LB - "£10K!"
    MS - "DONE"
    LB - "Right let's go do the pub......"
    I know that's tongue in cheek but why isn't it as simple as that. The main talking points would be wages, length of contract, job security, transfer activity and I guess targets/goals Lee is expected to hit. How hard can it be to negotiate what should be the most simple negotiation in our history.

    I said I was concerned anyway until that press conference where MS spoke of 5 years, if we get to this weekend and it's still not done I will find it really hard to understand why 
    If it is 5 years, from LB's pov, he'll signing the 5 years of his life away. His contract will probably need to be written up by one legal firm and dissected by another, then re-negotiated if something isn't right, then written up again, dissected and so on. Bowyer might just now be waiting for JJ and Andy Marshall to sort themselves out, before they all sign together. All this while playing games with a depleted side and help to sort out new players with Gallen and MS. 

    Then, I would have thought,  you've got the same hold ups from ESI's perspective 
    Good points, I just thought with the importance they would have looked to get it done last weekend, with the money involved it's surely possible to have everyone who is needed ready to get it over the line. 
    I'm obviously not an expert, but maybe they did get it sorted in principle, but I presume it would then take a few days to write it up and check it over. Add to that a solicitor flagging a couple points to justify their fee
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,619
    thenewbie said:
    So from what Bowyer is saying it seems the vast majority of terms etc are fine and all agreed, but there are a few details still being worked on.

    Why it's taken what seems a long time I do not know but I would presume that if it is indeed a five year contract it has to cover a lot of potential futures, and have terms and conditions that vary depending on which division we are in in each of those years - LB should get paid more as a Championship manager than a League One manager but that leads to complications I presume.
    Not just about money. Length of contract. Escape clause. Compensation. How compensation is payed. Assurances over staff and budget. Reviews of salary based on success or otherwise. Control of signings. The list is endless.
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    Which was my point Brazilance - Ibborg has added all the solicitor speculation issues that none of us can know to justify disagreeing with my earlier post, but at least we can all agree, even if we believe it has taken too long, that Bowyer signing is a good thing. The side point to this is that the one thing Ibborg and I do agree on is that we dislike each other.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Which was my point Brazilance - Ibborg has added all the solicitor speculation issues that none of us can know to justify disagreeing with my earlier post, but at least we can all agree, even if we believe it has taken too long, that Bowyer signing is a good thing. The side point to this is that the one thing Ibborg and I do agree on is that we dislike each other.
    really? it come across flirty between you both
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  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Which was my point Brazilance - Ibborg has added all the solicitor speculation issues that none of us can know to justify disagreeing with my earlier post, but at least we can all agree, even if we believe it has taken too long, that Bowyer signing is a good thing. The side point to this is that the one thing Ibborg and I do agree on is that we dislike each other.
    I don't dislike you mate, what a strange thing to say
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited January 2020
    Come off it. Anyway doesn't bother me but it would seem sensible to not comment on my posts all the time in a mildly negative way. I try to avoid doing so to you. When a pattern emerges it is time to stop.
  • Goonerhater
    Goonerhater Posts: 12,677
    He don't like you mate ,he has a picture of you in his c at litter tray
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    Come off it. Anyway doesn't bother me but it would seem sensible to not comment on my posts all the time in a mildly negative way. I try to avoid doing so to you. When a pattern emerges it is time to stop.
    Surely this forum is open to all views mate. I never meant to come across as anything other than stating an opinion, people do it to my posts all the time. If I've been aggressive or unfair in anything I've said though, please point it out and I'll apologise 
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    I don't want you to apologise. There have been a number of posts where in isolation it is just disagreeing but when put together it feels personal. We have had run ins in the past so I am saying I find it tiring. Now if it is just we disagree on virtually everything, fair enough, it probably illustrates what I am saying. I can certainly try to steer clear of you if you do so with me.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I don't want you to apologise. There have been a number of posts where in isolation it is just disagreeing but when put together it feels personal. We have had run ins in the past so I am saying I find it tiring. Now if it is just we disagree on virtually everything, fair enough, it probably illustrates what I am saying. I can certainly try to steer clear of you if you do so with me.
    Well uf those are your rules mate, then I'd better stick to em.

    And I'm sorry for apologising too...
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,740
    cantersaddick said:
    I don't think I have ever read a Grapevine post all the way through.
    I’m going to get the York notes version when it comes out. 
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,670
    Macros for the pair of you
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    blackpool72 said:
    Macros for the pair of you
    I'm game
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    blackpool72 said:
    Macros for the pair of you
    Sod that for a game of soldiers one of them is a big unit and a pest controller rumour has it 😉.
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  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I don't want you to apologise. There have been a number of posts where in isolation it is just disagreeing but when put together it feels personal. We have had run ins in the past so I am saying I find it tiring. Now if it is just we disagree on virtually everything, fair enough, it probably illustrates what I am saying. I can certainly try to steer clear of you if you do so with me.
    Well uf those are your rules mate, then I'd better stick to em.

    And I'm sorry for apologising too...
    You didn't apologise.:)
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    I don't want you to apologise. There have been a number of posts where in isolation it is just disagreeing but when put together it feels personal. We have had run ins in the past so I am saying I find it tiring. Now if it is just we disagree on virtually everything, fair enough, it probably illustrates what I am saying. I can certainly try to steer clear of you if you do so with me.
    Well uf those are your rules mate, then I'd better stick to em.

    And I'm sorry for apologising too...
    You didn't apologise.:)
    Sorry
  • covered_end_junior
    covered_end_junior Posts: 4,521
    edited January 2020
    Press conference summary:

    Contract almost done, just a couple of changes and it's done.
    On Maddison: Not fair to talk about him as he's not ours but he thinks he's a very good player.
    Him and Gallen have a list of targets that they are working hard on. They know we need to strengthen. 
    January is hard though because people move the goalposts. Won't bring in anyone, has to be the right player.
    Big blow to lose Conor but we move on.
    WIlliams back in the fold as is Hemed and JFC. Oztumer has trained this week and Cullen is training for the first time with us today.
    Aneke will be playing with the under 23s today. Fitness wise he's too far off it. 
    Bonne out for the next few weeks. 
    Taylor: It's all guesswork but in his (Bowyers) opinion he does not think he will go. (But he admits he didn't think Conor would go either)
  • Addickted
    Addickted Posts: 19,456
    RedChaser said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Macros for the pair of you
    Sod that for a game of soldiers one of them is a big unit and a pest controller rumour has it 😉.
    Which is why he digs @MuttleyCAFC out all the time. B)
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Addickted said:
    RedChaser said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Macros for the pair of you
    Sod that for a game of soldiers one of them is a big unit and a pest controller rumour has it 😉.
    Which is why he digs @MuttleyCAFC out all the time. B)
    Jokes aside, I'm not a bully mate
  • MuttleyCAFC
    MuttleyCAFC Posts: 47,728
    edited January 2020
    Not saying you are. We just rub each other up the wrong way. I know I do you too whether you admit it or not. We have our opinions and that is good for a forum, but when it feels personal it is better to steer clear. A few of your comments directed at my comments lately have made me feel that. Neither of us need it.
  • Curb_It
    Curb_It Posts: 21,220
    Very good attitude, best to get how you feel out in the air without kicking off, now we can all move along so we can get back to worrying about Bow's contract.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Curb_It said:
    Very good attitude, best to get how you feel out in the air without kicking off, now we can all move along so we can get back to worrying about Bow's contract.
    Which is all I was doing in the first place to be honest 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,764
  • Imnot Athletic
    Imnot Athletic Posts: 1,017
    We're very close, just the salary, the term, severance package and compensation if I go elsewhere to sort out then it'll be done :)

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