Is the season going to finish? (ed. Pg.53 - 3 players not returned to training)

What is ridiculous is anybody proposing football restarts with fewer restrictions than those I have set out. And we are seeing the football authorities are looking seriously at this.

Dansk_Red said:

A lot of PL overseas have been allowed to go back to their native country to be with their families. Will they manage to get back to the UK. 

Yeah pretty sure hemed’s in Israel. He ain’t jumping on a plane to Bradford-Leeds for hull away anytime soon.

But there is a wider issue here. What about next season? There is a lot of evidence that crowds are virus spreaders so in the absence of a vaccine, it could be 18 months before we can start football again. 

I would say blue sky thinking is an essential and is it acceptable not to apply any thought to solving this and just let many of our clubs die? If the limit was set as low as ball retrieval issues, it is a wonder how any problem could be solved.

MuttleyCAFC said:

SDAddick said:

Croydon said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

Tested, then kept together for the month needed to complete the season - probably using the ground as their base. Sleeping, eating within the stadium and training on the pitch. With them a small tested staff of cleaners, chef, medical staff and coach driver.  Away games they are driven to the ground and straight back. Changing and eating on the coach. There would need to be a similar arrangement in a few strategically placed hotels for officials. 

Not great for the players and officials, but only for a month and many of them are probably itching to play. I think it could work. They would be like prisoners for a month, but the season would be finished and we would have loads of footy to watch.

I can't believe you haven't realised how mad this is while writing it.

To be fair to Mutley, this is the only way it could be done. A lot of people seem to think that if we just play matches behind closed doors and limit the number of people involved, everything will be fine. But you really need a closed loop quarantine of everyone involved in the system. 

The problem is, that's basically impossible. You're just not going to be able to isolate everyone involved. And that means that if the tea lady or the groundsman goes home to their spouse, and their spouse has caught it at the grocery store and is an asymptomatic carrier, they can then pass it to said staff member, who could pass it to players, who could pass it amongst each other in training or in matches and you could have flare ups at multiple clubs within a week, potentially before anyone showed symptoms. 

Now, I think there may come a point in our society when we start to accept this as a risk for certain things. We already are for a lot of frontline medical staff, as well as essential workers. But given that club doctors are being drafted by the NHS, starting football would literally require taking people away from the NHS. Not to mention testing, PPE, disinfection agents, etc. I just can't see us, as a society, being willing to tolerate that in the next two months. Come August/September, especially if the virus slows in the summer, I think it's quite possible we'd be willing to take on those risks to some degree. But not anytime soon. 

I am glad you see what I was getting at. When you break it down, it is virtually impossible as you won't persuade players to lock themselves away for a month and a half. You would need to get all of them to agree and I can't see how that would happen. let alone everybody else you would need to lock away with them. But it is the only way it can be done. If you did it any other way, you risk the very real possibility that a player or players will catch the virus and if that happened with say five games to go it would be a disastrous mess.

What I found amusing is how many reasons given why it wouldn't work were ridiculous when really there are two massive ones. In fact, probably only one unachievable one as you can get round the pressure on the health service risk by donating a share of profits to health service charities. We are happy to encourage 90 plus year olds to climb stairs for charity when there are surely risks to that.
  

Can you tell me what pub you found open today mate?

SELR_addicks said:

Luton Chief Executive has come out and said the league should be cancelled. 

That's 23rd place in the Championship Luton.  

Make him right. 

Some Premier league teams back in training but training individually. That should answer any questions as to whether the season should resume, if players can’t train together, have to drive to the training ground in training kit, how can they play together

I think the PL is banking on the Government banning any restart in the timescale they're proposing so they can claim on various insurances and/or get out of contract commitments by reason of "force majeure". In the meantime they have to act as if a restart is practicable.

Killarahales said:

I think the PL is banking on the Government banning any restart in the timescale they're proposing so they can claim on various insurances and/or get out of contract commitments by reason of "force majeure". In the meantime they have to act as if a restart is practicable.

my thoughts too

MuttleyCAFC said:

   EricBanterna said:

My Sunday league has been declared void now. However no reimbursement of season fees nor any incentive to reapply for next year. 

Also the suggestion of the league returning monies collected from fines shot down even though all records are removed for this season. 

Seems unfair, but predictable. The club I managed paid nearly £1k in fines last season (I know it was a bit on the high side). It is a nice little earner for the league though. 

Are you the Millwall of the league? 

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Croydon said:

killerandflash said:

Killarahales said:

I think the PL is banking on the Government banning any restart in the timescale they're proposing so they can claim on various insurances and/or get out of contract commitments by reason of "force majeure". In the meantime they have to act as if a restart is practicable.

I was wondering about that

"Sorry Sky and BT (and everyone else) we wanted to finish the season, and provide the contracted 2019/20 games, but the government prevented us. Not our fault. See you next season"

I thought Sky and BT had already said they wouldn't want any refunds, just more games next year?

More Leeds games next year is more likely what they said!

French Ligue 1 and 2 have followed the dutch example and ended the season.

Lots of people have been discussing how exactly is best to finish the season, if at all possible. So it’s got me thinking, and I have came up with a way of finishing the season, without even having to play any of the games. People can shoot down this idea and that’s fine, but hear me out...

Take the results of the reverse fixtures that are remaining and add them to the current standings. For example, we would draw 2-2 with Hull, beat Reading 2-0 but lose 2-0 to Wigan etc.

I have worked this out for both the Premier League and for The Championship. The difference in current league positions are tiny. In fact, the current top 6 in The Championship remain exactly the same, just West Brom finish top whilst Leeds finish second.

To make this theory more reliable, I also took data of every single clubs league position in each game week of the season so far. I then performed a mean, median, and a mode of each club’s league position throughout the season. What I done next was to then take an overall average of the three averages. This was to get a true representation of where each club has spent the vast majority of the season.

What I done next was use statistical analysis tests to investigate the accuracy and reliability of comparing the overall average league positions to where each club would finish in the table if you took the results of the reverse fixtures.

In the Premier League, the ‘theoretical table’ against their averaged average league position was 97.38% correlated and the same. In The Championship, it was even closer with 98.26% correlated and the same.

I have all the data if people are actually interested further in what I am trying to explain.

I’ve emailed this proposal over to The EFL and am actually awaiting their reply.

You can think I am mad, and that’s fine. But it’s an idea that I’ve developed and statistically shows that it works. For this idea, it doesn’t have to include relegation as it wouldn’t be entirely fair for a club to be relegated on a statistical solution, even if their league position and form through the season has shown that’s where they should be.

Incidentally, we would survive and finish in 18th. But that’s not why I’ve done this.

For anyone arguing the idea, that’s good, debate is good. But this idea takes into account different periods of form throughout the season and takes into account an overall average league position of each club. 

Basically ANY scenario where we stay up, I’m in.